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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Android vs Windows 10 Reply #330 - 08/01/16 at 12:46:34 best buy internet sales warranties are kinda screwy. they are not take it back to the store to get help/service... yeah, that sucks.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Android vs Windows 10 Reply #332 - 08/01/16 at 12:56:32 Oh, we got a warranty. They just figure you bypassed the brick and mortar store to get a cheap price. So it should be the same if you need help or service.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #333 - 08/01/16 at 13:24:38

Went by Staples today with the wife, I went and looked at the one (1) display counter where all the PCs and laptops were displayed.

$349 was the cheapest thing there, with the general price range being around $450-$500.

Phones and tablets were in another area of the store, with some as low as $59. Most were $100 to $150 for the tablets, with the phones being $200 to $450.

Do you think that sort of price disparity is not gonna kill PC/Laptop when both Phone/Tablet and PC/Laptop can really do the same sorts of things ????

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Android vs Windows 10 Reply #334 - 08/01/16 at 13:57:14 you still need to buy a monitor, mouse and keyboard to get the same functionality. and then there are the professional users, a phone just won't do what I do. I expect that will change... in the future.
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jcstokes Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com is very useful Posts: 2153 Mauku New Zealand Gender:	Re: Android vs Windows 10 Reply #335 - 08/01/16 at 14:28:07 That's a very valid point Verslagen, I am no "professional" user, and I have difficulty with smart phone screen keyboards. In fact I have more difficulty with the keyboard on my five year old PC than I did with my first one.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Android vs Windows 10 Reply #337 - 08/01/16 at 15:22:33 Laptops of the future could be sans cpu just a docking station for your phone. I don't believe in using BT or Wifi for human interfaces, just clutters up the airwaves and provides another access point for hackers.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #338 - 08/01/16 at 15:27:12

My little RCA Viking Pro 10" /w keyboard is an awesome little powerhouse.

All I had to do was add a mouse and it mimics a laptop for doing all sorts of things.
Add a usb extender and you can plug in a flash memory stick or even an external hard drive (some don't always but most do).

I paid a whoppin' $69.00 on the Walmart site when it was on sale.
They are usually around $90.00

http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-Viking-Pro-10.1-2-in-1-Tablet-32GB-Quad-Core/45...

Processor Type: Quad-Core Processor
Color: Gray , Black
Display Technology: Capacitive Touch Display
Processor Speed: 1.30 GHz Gigahertz
Contained Battery Type: Lithium Ion
Connector Type: 1 x DC-in, 1 x Headphone, 1 x Microphone, 1 x MicroUSB 2.0, 1 x MiniHDMI, 1 x USB 2.0
Operating System: Android
Battery Life: 6 hours Hours
Model: RCT6303W87DKF C
Brand: RCA
Video Game Platform: Android
Manufacturer Part Number: RCT6303W87DKF C
RAM Memory: 1 GB Gigabytes
Accessories Included: Keyboard , AC Adapter
Features: Webcam
Assembled Product Dimensions (L x W x H): 10.20 x 6.50 x 1.15 Inches

Lot of other brands out there that have better, for about $50 more dollars, do some research, and go look at them to see the displays.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #339 - 08/02/16 at 06:12:13

Linux Mint 18 -- Sarah

You get a caution with this upgrade that you are going to be changing Linux kernels for the first time in 3 years and a recommendation to do it from a downloaded DVD image.

There is a reason for that -- the kernel upgrade is done AFTER you install the software and it can get involved if you have a complex machine (and want to keep your Windows gaming partition "as is").

I think Win 10 has attempted to block the use of user loaded alternate softwares and much of what you are being asked to do is dancing around fixing what MS hacked up.

My machine was complex as the partition table was fragmented by past changes and I had to download a live GPARTED CD and cold boot me a Gparted tool to remove all my old worlds and then force merge the unallocated spaces back together into one larger unallocated space.

I also shrank my windows partition and moved it to the front of the drive to get it out of the way.

I did this before installing Linux Mint 18 as I was trusting the Mint Installer to sense the moved and shortened Windows partition and the windows boot sector and put it all back together again when it constructed the dual boot menu system.

It worked.

Time elapsed redoing the entire machine and reformatting everything and installing Linux Mint 18 was 3 hours, most of which was waiting for the partition moves to slowly churn to completion.

GParted is a tool that is sorta like Ghost in Windows, no instructions are ever given, you are assumed to know how to use it as it is an ancient tool. The cold booted CD version is an older version that simply goes and DOES it -- great power there, but it is dangerous accordingly.

This was the most involved upgrade I have ever done, simply because I was trying to keep Windows happy. I think every post Win 10 partition was locked and what I really did by moving them around was to break all the locks MS had put upon them.

I feel a mild sense of victory and I learned some stuff in doing it. The screenshot is from my old Dell box after cleaning it up and installing Linux Mint Mate 18 (Sarah).

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #340 - 08/02/16 at 06:41:58

Something I learned by accident is just how much processing power and constant network traffic it takes to run a page full of moving ads.

(yes, there are even MORE ads on the scroll down pages that are sucking up resources and slowing down your load times)

It can take about HALF of your total processor power and a sizable constant stream of data to keep a page full of 6 or more moving ads working all the time.

Go get Adblock Plus and use it. You will be amazed at how much quicker your machine becomes.

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Reply #341 - 08/02/16 at 07:00:49

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 08/01/16 at 11:19:00:

Sorry Art, can't help you with your passwords. Every OS now requires passwords of at least 8-10 characters in length which are to include caps and lower case letters and special symbols.

Only advice I can offer is WRITE DOWN your ID and your passwords -- you will be forced to change them periodically.

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And considering Art is Art and lives where Art lives, we recommend a Best Buy Laptop for $130 -- so you can take it back if need be.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-ideapad-100s-11-6-laptop-intel-atom-2gb-me...

http://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/4475/4475000_sd...

Take away the $120 for MS Win 10 and the laptop cost you a whopping $10

it wasn't my OS password, I got that site memorized as I use it every time I start the PC
The PC keyboard failed and I couldn't access one of ,y forums via my phone because the site wouldn't accept my password form my phone
I think I figured the problem out, but by then I had the keyboard working (reboot x 5, might be a hardware problem starting on the &300 machine)
I looked for the docking station you showed for my phone, but I guess they don't make it for ZTE Maven, bummer
If my phone would work with that, I could just android all the time
Considering you cannot buy that laptop without win 10, so can't actually get it for 10 bux, I think I'll pass, what i need is something like that dock, or a tablet that'll accept the SIM card for a phone (if Cricket will allow their SIMs to be used in Tablets) then I could get unlimited high speed for what I now pay for 5 gigs Shocked

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Reply #342 - 08/02/16 at 09:16:08

Let's see, when you guys asked how MS was doing I replied that they aren't talking any at all, whatsoever, and that generally says that bad things are happening that MS doesn't want widely known.

One item has come up out of the end of the arm twisting mess that was the Free Windows 10 offer -- an item that does get tracked independently already without MS actually having to say it out loud.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3102910/browsers/in-the-browser-election-chrom...

Chrome reached a major milestone last month when it was used by more than half of those browsing from a personal computer, data published Monday showed.

According to U.S. analytics vendor Net Applications, Chrome's user share grew by more than 2 percentage points in July, the fourth time in the last six months that its gains were of that size, to end the month at 51%.

In the last 12 months, Chrome has added 23.1 percentage points to its user share, starting that stretch with less than 30% and ending by owning a majority of the worldwide desktop browser market. Only two browsers have controlled more than half of the global browser share this century: Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE), which held a majority until December 2015, and now Chrome.

As throughout 2016, most of Chrome's July gains came at the expense of Microsoft's browsers. IE and the newer Edge collectively lost 2.1 percentage points, dropping to 34.7%, a record low. Apple's Safari shed one-tenth of a point, falling to 4.5%, its lowest level since November 2015.

Mozilla's Firefox recovered a small slice of the user share it has lost in the past year, climbing one-tenth of a percentage point to 8.1% during July. Firefox fell under 10% in May and has not seen that mark since.

But the browser story for July was the continued ascent of Chrome.

Since the beginning of the year, Chrome has added 18.6 percentage points of user share. The boost was essentially a gift from Microsoft, which in January demanded that IE users upgrade to the newest version available for their edition of Windows, and at the same time dropped all client-OS support for 2009's IE8 and 2012's IE10. The mandate required most customers to upgrade to IE11.

Faced with Microsoft's requirement, many rethought their choice of browsers instead. The unexpected result: Millions abandoned IE and switched to Chrome.

Although Microsoft may have expected Edge, the default browser in Windows 10, to collect users as they migrated to the new operating system, that has not happened. July's data from Net Applications showed that only 24% of all Windows 10 users ran Edge, a decline from 36% the year before.

Google's Chrome passed the 50% mark in July as it continued to steal market share from MS IE and MS Edge.

If Chrome continues growing its share at the rate of the past 12 months, it will exceed 60% by December. Unless Microsoft arrests IE & Edge's free fall, the once-dominant MS browsers will fall to 27% by the end of 2016

The browser is THE most used, most backbone application possible. People who know how to use the Chrome browser well are MUCH more likely to adopt Chromebooks as it is all "easy like home turf" to them at the time of changeover.

And remember, MS did this to themselves by forcing people to give up their old IE 8 and coercing them to upgrade their Win 7 and Win 8 over to the Edge loving Win 10 product. A large browser shift at this junction seems to indicate "some amount of user rebellion" at what MS did to them.

And a whopping 23% market share drift during the Win 10 roll out seems to say that normal users think that Edge browser sucks rocks big time.

Ditto for IE 11 ????? Undecided

The users are moving away from both products you know.

And if that "extend the lines on the graphs" based prediction for next year of a co-linear 27% drop in MS browsers market share (with all of it going over to Chrome) is anywhere near true, it is potentially some VERY bad news for MS. Remember, Win 10 was totally free last year, but now it will cost you $120 dollars of your own money ...... that has got to affect things going forward.

The quiet hint coming from this is that the tipping point for MS is past tense already. April, 2016 was when MS began to fade on you.

And that is why MS has gone silent --- they don't want anyone to figure this out and kill their stock price.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #343 - 08/02/16 at 09:48:17

A personal recommendation: Download and install Chrome browser and get used to using it -- if it all goes away on you, then you personally will already be all trained and ready to go for a replacement OS ......

The rewarding side benefit is SPEED !!!! Chrome browser is faster than MS browsers and it does not lock up all the time like they do either.

Remember to go get ADBLOCK PLUS and put it on any browser that you currently use, especially them MS things that are already plagued with ads you cannot get rid of (courtesy of good 'ol MS).

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