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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #360 - 08/16/16 at 09:25:10
 

Go here whenever the MS noise gets to be too much, or the advertising interruptions to your day begin to aggravate you too too much.



Running your computer is supposed to be a pleasant thing, not an arm wrestling contest with an over-controlling MS OS  "supplier" ......

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Reply #361 - 08/16/16 at 18:51:02
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/08/intel-joule-tiny-atom-powered-system-module-iot...

Intel outs their new IoT module ......

Yes I said module, not chipset -- module, a little motherboard with several chipsets on it.





Let's see if our clever folks on this site can figure out what is wrong with Intel's finest.




Here is a pair of Mediatek IoT "system on a chipset" for comparison purposes -- two of them will fit on a microSD card .....  or on Washington's head if you want a direct Intel comparison.    

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As expected, Intel’s Atom branding for low-power processors isn’t dead. The company has just stopped using the Atom name on its chips for laptop, desktop and tablet PCs… and is instead launching new Atom chips designed for Internet of Things (IoT) products.

At the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco, Intel unveiled a new system-on-a-module aimed at IoT developers. It’s called the Joule, and it’s powered by a new Intel Atom chip
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Answer:         http://liliputing.com/2016/08/intels-new-atom-chips-50-percent-faster-cherry-...

Wondering how Intel managed to squeeze so much more performance out of the new processors? Well, the move from Silvermont to Goldmont architecture surely had something to do with it… but the move away from mobile devices helps too. The new chips can consume much more power (2-3x) than their predecessors.

While Atom, Celeron, and Pentium chips based on Silvermont/Cherry Trail/Braswell typically had TDP ratings between 4 watts and 6 watts, the new Goldmont-based chips have 6 to 12 watt TDPs.


OK, it is a really big hot running power hog and that thick aluminum shielded motherboard case is needed as a big arsed HEAT SINK (among other reasons).      

Intel inside (again) ......            Roll Eyes
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #362 - 08/16/16 at 19:18:04
 

Why is Google working on a new OS that is intended for "FAST processors that utilize non-trivial amounts of memory"?


Intel processors actually haven't gotten much faster at all for years now, but the ARM processors certainly have gotten MUCH FASTER in the meantime.   Apple and Qualcomm have an ongoing competition for processor/graphics speed -- with the octa-core A-72/A-53 Kirin from Haewai and the big Deca cores from Mediatek both moving up mightily on the traditional speed leaders.

ARM has been sold now to a banking consortium out of Japan, so we expect some changes to come from the now Apple-less controlled ARM.    Apple orchestrated things pretty completely, and insisted that ARM hold back their progress so Apple could milk each new ARM design level in turn, yes, that Apple shite that should end now.  

Some of the Consortium members have been demanding better processing speed and much better GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS out of ARM for several years now.    Now they may get just that.

Google sees CHANGE coming, with very fast systems type memory measured in 10's of gigabytes available on all mobile devices.   We see the first wave of this memory shipping right now, and it won't be hyper expensive for very long at all as you have 2-3 sources coming on line right now.

We see both Huawei /Kirin and Mediatek forcing the current generations of ARM right up to the upper edges of its designs and asking for MORE, please !!!!


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Fuchsia is still in its early stages. Google has it up and running on an Acer Switch Alpha 12, a laptop-tablet hybrid, but apparently also wants to get it running on a Raspberry Pi, a much less powerful machine. It also runs on devices powered by ARM chips, the type that powers almost all phones and tablets.


Fuchsia team


Some notable developers are contributing to the project. Among them:

Travis Geiselbrecht, who worked on a failed but influential operating system from the 1990s called BeOS, the iPhone and the OS for the Danger Hiptop operating system, which T-Mobile sold as the original Sidekick.
Brian Swetland, who worked on BeOS, the Hiptop OS and who spent many years toiling on the core parts of Android.
Chris McKillop, a member of the original iPhone team and the original WebOS team who also worked on the QNX operating system used in cars and some BlackBerry devices. He also worked on the Danger Hiptop.
Adam Barth, a longtime member of Google's Chrome team who more recently has been working on a Google tool designed called Flutter to make it easier for programmers to write software that runs on Android and iOS. He also built an operating system of his own called Tau.


This is a team picked for succeeding in past attempts to "redo the whole thing" as that seems to be a part of Fuchsia's bottom to top intentions.

This may be an attempt to ditch the inherent limitations of Java and several other traditional Linux/MS designs such as Flash, which have been tweeked to do multi core processors but still there is a strong need for a clean sheet of paper concerning what is going to be happening pretty soon.    

Google gets that.  Design an OS to run cleanly on what is coming .....   ditch the historical legacy stuff if need be.   Design for a new type of OS that lives naturally in a 100+ gigabyte fast live systems memory space, in other words.   Where graphics speed is the real functioning limitation, not processor or memory access or anything else.  

Design something that by nature is VR ready, in other words .....

ARM will move in concert, using the capabilities exposed by the new OS and new fast memory space to make their processor generations and associated hardware fit the new capabilities better and better.
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #363 - 08/17/16 at 11:46:52
 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9878/the-huawei-mate-8-review/4

Huawei’s Kirin 950 Octa-Core A-72 / A-53 chipset has come out shipping in phones now, kicking everybody's arse (except mebbe for the current Apple chipset that just shipped).

You are looking for year on year progress on the Huawei 8 phone vs all the rest of the pack.









Gist here is that Huawei has moved from lower half of the pack to kicking everybody's butt except Apple.    This "getting their butts kicked" pack INCLUDES QUALCOMM AND SAMSUNG.

Look for the rest of everybody else to GET A LOT BETTER PRETTY DURN QUICK TOO .....
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #364 - 08/17/16 at 17:33:21
 

Intel just finished a week of "save the company" announcements, the big brown vapor siege cannon firing every morning for a week, with one major brown vapor blast per day.

Intel is hurting, their existing lines are partially idle and they have nothing going on in mobile at all --- and this is with more and more industry volume is going in mobile's direction.

IoT out of Intel is a poorly crafted joke, with the Intel "IoT modules" being much bigger than the watches that the tech has to go into.

Today, Intel announced plans to produce 10nm chipsets for LG off their experimental 10nm plant.

If Intel runs true to form in doing foundry work for others, the chipsets will be late (plagued with production problems) and will cost far more than anticipated.   LG will take it in the neck, and will eventually move their orders to someone else (Samsung or TSMC) who can actually make the production chipset runs in a timely fashion.    But the screwing around will cost LG their market niche for that particular generation of phone .... 

Same story as Altera, you remember them don't you?   Sucked down by non-delivery, destroyed, killed, slaughtered by competition actually shipping things that were actually made by other foundries.

What makes anybody think Intel can make a system on a chip for anybody?   They have never done so, not even for themselves ....



Huawei as a two year old start up foundry has made better system on a chip progress than Intel  has done in the past 8 years.

LG, does the term "Rockchip" mean anything to you at all ????   Partnering with Intel is suicide, dude, you know that, right?
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Reply #365 - 08/18/16 at 12:22:51
 


Seriously, I joke you not -- Intel has come out with their "upper end" VR goggle rig -- and it ain't no goggle like any I have ever seen before.

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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #366 - 08/18/16 at 19:46:43
 
Hey, Oldfeller, what do you think?

Microsoft is moving to Windows 10-style cumulative updates for Win7 and Win8.1. No more choice to pick and choose which updates to install.

I assume this means that on my Win7 box, I will no longer be able to skip patches that install phone-home telemetry or that "prepare your computer for later updates" (like Win 10).

I also assume this means that I can't back out a single poorly-behaving patch.

Will this lead to the 3rd-party driver hell found in Windows 10, where 3rd-party drivers are replaced by generic MS drivers that may or may not work with 3rd-party hardware?

I've already decided I'm done with MS and Windows, but I wish they would keep my older Win7 box as it is. Just give me security patches until support is scheduled to go end-of-life. At that point I will be moving to Apple and Linux.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3108407/windows/windows-7-and-8-1-updates-swit...
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #367 - 08/18/16 at 22:03:50
 

The pundits really don't know what Microchoke is going to do, except they all assume an attempt will be made over time to lock all the Win 7 users into the walled garden along with all the "willing" Win 10 people.

My crystal ball sez you might functionally wind up with Win 10 eventually, whether you ever opted for it or not.

Why ????   Microsoft has no people to upkeep anything BUT Win 10 at this stage --- the real Win 7 support people have all been let go months and months ago.

Please remember, the Borg hooks are already present inside your Win 7 machine -- all MS has to do is send you the monthly "cannot be denied" patches as per their current plan until Win 7 perks up one day and shows you its Cortana.  

Over six months time, your machine will likely be comprised of whatever MS wants your machine to be comprised of.    

Or else mysteriously dead (that's my vote -- they want to sell you some new hardware that is all locked down 16 different ways with secure boot chipsets).

Recommendation:  download and install Chrome Browser and Adblock Plus NOW before MS makes that very hard for you to do.  

Think of it as being in "future OS" training mode .....
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #368 - 08/18/16 at 22:22:59
 
Done the Adblock Plus and it's good, I just don't get ads. Done the Chrome thing and had password issues, now fixed I hope. So I will have to start learning to use it, might be difficult
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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #369 - 08/19/16 at 03:58:57
 

Chrome isn't hard, it has the little stacked 3 dots in the right upper corner of the screen that opens up the internals of the thing.

I just ask Chrome how to do whatever it is that I wanted to do (turn on a tool bar, etc) and Chrome will show you what to do with that particular need on the particular version of Chrome that you are using.    

With MS, you bought a "how to" book back in the day, but they can't write them now because MS won't leave it alone for 5 minutes.   Publishers can't keep up and have quit even trying to write the MS books now.

Microsoft is likely going to keep getting even more extreme about controlling your machine, and the choices you have to make out in the future are going to get clearer and clearer.

We already have to look back at Win 7 as "the good old days of computing", before ads and click-bait came crashing down on our MS machine to make everything crawl along so slowly.
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Reply #370 - 08/19/16 at 04:15:25
 

Something good about Chrome is that you create a G-Mail account as your Google home base.  Most of us did this a long time ago as a home base was required for your Android Phone as well.

Google will ask if you want all your settings and such preserved on your Google Drive (part of your G-Mail home base).   Tell it yes and it will keep a constant record of your settings, etc. such that if you have a crash or change machines you will get a little pop up saying "Do you want Chrome to restore your settings and your favorites?" when first you log into Chrome on the new machine.   Google can do what it says, click yes and your world simply reappears.   I've done it on new phones and after MS attacks on my gaming partition.

I like this feature a lot, painless recovery .....
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Reply #371 - 08/19/16 at 13:53:41
 

https://www.google.com/?ion=1&espv=2#q=android%20phone%20as%20pc

Back to the Android Phone/PC thing again .....  

You do realize that Nougat has the basic USB C functionality to run a mouse, keyboard, exterior monitor, right?    Just there, just part of any USB C phone once it gets updated to Nougat in a few days.

Google is prepping their take on Andromium, but since the capability for it is already there and Nougat has it already built into it, would you mebbe expect a lot of third party docking stations and cable sets to be coming up out of the woodwork?

Yeper, the third party technology has a name now, MHL-compatible docks .....  and they look like this for a fairly good one (best rated unit of the current crop):

      $26       BTW, it also charges your phone .....   the better ones now have larger speakers built in for movie watching, music, etc.










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Re: Android vs Windows 10
Reply #372 - 08/19/16 at 14:13:40
 
   
http://liliputing.com/2016/08/google-ditching-support-chrome-apps-windows-mac...

Google is ditching support for Chrome apps for Windows, Mac, and Linux (but not Chrome OS… yet)

Google gives out a tentative schedule for rolling Chrome into Android ??? then into Fuschia ???  (well, sorta -- mebbe)

You’ve got about a year and a half to find alternatives to the Chrome apps you’re currently using. Google is going to phase things out slowly:

In late 2016 new Chrome apps will only show up in the Chrome Web Store if you’re using Chrome OS.

In the second half of 2017 you won’t see Chrome Apps in the Chrome Web Store at all if you’re using Windows, Mac, or Linux.

Sometime in early 2018, Windows, Mac, and Linux users won’t be able to run Chrome apps at all anymore.

Google is encouraging developers to convert existing Chrome apps into web apps that can be used across platforms.

While Chrome apps will continue to run on Chromebooks indefinitely, I suspect that has more to do with the fact that it doesn’t make a lot of sense to fire up a web app to play a local video or perform other activities that include local data.

But now that Google is bringing Android app support to Chrome OS, I wouldn’t be surprised if the days are also numbered for Chrome Apps on Chrome OS.



Contrast, MS locks you in, twists your arm and shites on you with no prior warning at all.    

Google develops its new software in the open, using FOSS principals, and gives you a year and a half's worth of warning that change is on the way.
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Reply #373 - 08/19/16 at 19:22:42
 

http://www.afr.com/technology/apps/uber-to-start-driverless-service-this-mont...



By the time I get back to work from my motorcycle trip at Dave's, Uber will be giving away free driverless rides in brand new Volvo driverless cars in Pittsburgh, Ohio as part of their pilot program.

Seriously.

In their home country, Volvo driverless cars are already in motion and are having no troubles getting around.

Driverless Volvo trucks are also in use and are running loads all over Europe as of last month.

How did Volvo get so far ahead of Google and the others?   Driverless mining vehicles have been built and run by Volvo Mining Operations for like over a decade now.

The amount of workers unemployed by this new level of technology will exceed what the normal job growth in our nation can absorb.

Toss on top of it all the fry cooks and burger putter together people being put out of work by McDonalds and this current wave of automation is going to take away a mort of American jobs very quickly.

Also, your reason for owning your own car may have just went away -- you can ride with Uber cheaper than you can pay for and upkeep your own car, especially if you live in the city.

My daddy was a truck driver or my daddy was a taxi driver will soon become another "good 'ol days" sort of statement.

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Reply #374 - 08/19/16 at 19:24:53
 
I hope they tested them against m/c's
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