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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #435 - 09/19/16 at 06:11:08
 

A brighter tech future is out there, now, shipping by the end of 2017

Full PC power, faster than Core i5 used to be, lower energy consuming full SOC ARM based processors that are as small as IoT chipsets are right now.

"Systems fast main memory" type built in memory, by the hundreds of gigabytes.

A full PC experience that will fit inside the case of a skinny cell phone.

Google out in front, gently herding the phone industry by setting a firm organized first example, showing how their OS products can work together in a Phone / PC type world.  

Google, by keeping it all open source, writing good standards and giving limited exposure to new tech and new software such that the big mobile suppliers can then make as good as or better items and beat Google price-wise, encouraging them to beat it, expecting them to beat it.  

Google, who by supporting their own little split off Google guys the visionaries who cooperate on the new stuff and who tend to grow up to be bigger guys fairly quickly.

The future will not come from Intel or Microsoft, they are quite insular and very old school in so many ways such that they will not event try to keep current, much less make any real progress (other than in wall building, that is).

Look at this current MSI Wintel example, it is really sorta sad actually.   They may sell a few hundreds of these very expensive and cumbersome old tech rig-ups to rabid Wintel gamers, before the very first low cost ARM based google systems just sweeps the market away from them.


Intel sez "I really hate it that IBM has been granted hard patents on building non-silicon processors and I am going to wind up having to license this better tech from IBM/Global Foundries."
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #436 - 09/19/16 at 07:55:43
 
   
http://liliputing.com/2016/09/intel-may-not-done-mobile-processors.html


Hey, they just hired me away from Qualcomm a couple of months ago to teach Intel how to do an SOC design, I didn't know anything about having to do these press conferences at the drop of a poot .....
 
Intel reacts to the press because the press is treating them like, well, like that retarded nephew on your mother's side of the family.  

One has to admit though, that the parallel is sorta appropriate at this point in time.

So .... Intel's Renduchintala is told to whup out the big PR howitzer and let go another huge brown stinky vapor blast that actually means   ?????  what  ?????   that they aren't going to poot in public so much in the future?    

That Renduchintala's at a total loss right now, that he has nothing REAL to say  -- really --  at this point in time ????    

Or, mebbe just that Intel has dropped all development on some of the six IoT Atom thingies that they just announced just like two weeks ago  ......

(or mebbe that they were never really real in the first place ????)

That he knows that if he gives up now and depends on Mickysoft to save his new company, that he's gonna get buried and forgotten inside those very same MS walled garden walls that he sees the rest of the Wintel vendor base chained up inside ????

       Roll Eyes

http://liliputing.com/2016/09/intel-may-not-done-mobile-processors.html



In an interview with PCWorld, the president of Intel’s Client and IoT division Venkata Renduchintala said the company ceased working on “a couple of mobile SoC products that I don’t think were worthy to conclusion.”

But he goes on to say:

That doesn’t mean to say we’re no longer doing mobile platforms. On the mobile platform side, my commitment is to talk less and do more. When we have something to say, we’ll talk about it.

That’s not quite an admission that Intel plans to launch a new system-on-a-chip for smartphones, low-power tablets, and similar devices. But it sounds like the company hasn’t ruled out the possibility.

Another possibility that hasn’t been ruled out? Licensing an ARM design for a future chip. Perhaps Intel’s next smartphone processor won’t be an x86 chip at all, but one that shares more DNA with the processors that power most Android and iOS phones.


Tongue     At least they have stopped working on things they KNOW will never actually work in the marketplace.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #437 - 09/20/16 at 14:29:19
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/09/comcast-launch-wireless-service-2017.html

http://about.att.com/newsroom/att_to_test_delivering_multi_gigabit_wireless_i...

Meanwhile, Google has chivvied both ComCast and AT&T into some serious competitive moves that are increasing broadband delivery speeds and lowering delivery prices   and now ......   AT&T now wants to compete against Google Fiber's new long distance wifi delivery system with their own system of antenna on top of telephone poles and Comcast wants to do the same and SELL PHONES as well.    

This really sounds like a Intel style brown vapor reaction to Google moving quickly into their turf and Google getting support from the various cities to do the Move it One Time initiative which stops AT&T and Comcast from playing their silly telephone pole delaying games.

http://liliputing.com/2016/09/atts-project-airgig-deliver-multi-gigabit-wirel...




Yup, AT&T sees all their advantages in the cell / data market place turning into mud in the next 3-5 years if they don't stirr off their keisters and DO something, like right now before Google goes and does it.   And Comcast is eyeing AT&T's movements like a bristling pit bull, ready to restart their endless fight at the drop of a hat.  

Both of the large internet providers have gotten the message and are moving off of dead center at this point in time.


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Once the monthly prices go down and the speed goes up, Google will have been successful in their coercion campaign to lower basic internet service prices and raise internet delivery speeds and to get more people out on the internet than ever before.

Then Google makes more money from serving more ads up to more people .....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #438 - 09/21/16 at 03:55:44
 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/




This is kinda deceptive chart, as it reflects only Business to Business sales.   But it does indicate the growing shift in BIG BUSINESS as they begin accepting Chromebooks as a data entry device.  

And yes, for a second time, in a separate, discrete Business to Business quarter Windows laptops sold fewer new machines than Chromebooks did.    

This is no longer coming across as a freak circumstance like it did the first time around .......

In the same period, Chromebooks firmly and actually lapped past Apple laptop/desktops as a general, or absolute sort of thing.   Apple is getting killed by Chromebooks everywhere where they meet up, as the Apple unit costs 3-4 times more than the Chromebook, but in common usage (things people normally do) they perform at similar speeds with the Chromebook edging out the complex, layered, Wintel based Apple machine for anything based on browsing speed.    

The Chromebook is physically lighter and it has better battery life, too.

It has also been noted that all the extra "pay me" softwares needed to completely populate an Apple laptop (if added up in a column) actually costs more than the Chromebook costs.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #439 - 09/21/16 at 13:04:11
 

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ri0m/warning_microsoft_signature_pc...

Lenovo starts Linux/Microsoft war over locked down "Signature Series" BIOS.

A Linux user bought a shiny new Lenovo toy and took it home to put his favorite distro on it.   He couldn't do so and the Lenovo forums had no idea why this was so as the same model and type loaded Linux just fine a month ago for several other people who were responding to the guy on the Lenovo forums.

Questions to Lenovo Tech support were originally somewhat dicy and vague, then the responses broke free and got very specific.

"This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft."


Microsoft loves Linux, huh ???   Any other bullshite you want to tell us, MS?

The outcry was immediate and huge as the thread went viral, so Lenovo deleted the thread.
This was their second mistake ....  the Linux boys had backed the whole thing up and immediately provided links to the back up sites.  

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/53ts13/lenovo_responds_we_dont_intent...

Then Lenovo tried to explain it away as a "Linux driver issue" but then Lenovo got blown down by offers of a corrected driver written for their machine that they wouldn't even say they would try to use or provide to their customers because of  "....  per our agreement with Microsoft."

Angry

The investigation by the Linux crew fingered the actual trick MS is using for this particular lock down, a proprietary RAID array type on the SSD drive is used that has no Linux equivalent and a LOCKED HARDWARE BIOS that cannot be replaced, modified or changed after being burned at the factory.   If, for example, you tried to put in a standard replacement SSD drive, your new Lenovo box would refuse to recognize it.  

You need a specific special "Walled Garden" SSD drive .....  bought from the Windows Store.

So, go buy you a new Win 10 machine today and join the walled garden set, whether you want to or not ....

Undecided

Did you really think I was kidding about this shite?
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #440 - 09/21/16 at 16:25:55
 
"This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft."

RICO laws.

I don't see how they can get away with it.
Is it legal to? Probably,
Is it RIGHT?
Not from where I'm standing.
Ohh, but I Can't care. I don't have a computer that is being messed with.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #441 - 09/21/16 at 17:09:19
 

Justin,

As you sense, there is going to be a parting of the ways very soon.   MS will try to capture as many users as they can and tuck them away in the walled garden AGAINST THEIR WILL IF NEED BE.   Then MS will start to steal and modify various open source softwares (the ones that run under the Apache License model) to pervert good open source softwares into locked down MS closed garden forked variants.    

Why, because they can and because they have lost their widespread programmer base due to non-payment.

Amazon is the one who taught MS how to do this trick, BTW.

They are counting on the exact mind set you were mocking in your last post, the one which makes most normal people complacent, which focuses on the fact that "it is no skin off my nose since my machine is working fine at the moment".

Then suddenly your machine conveniently "dies" on you (update indigestion, most likely) and you have to go buy a locked down wonder machine that cannot ever be anything but what MS wants it to be.

So, MS wins, or else most of the users revolt and MS dies inside the next 3-5 years.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #442 - 09/21/16 at 17:17:09
 
Actually, I was told by someone about another topic that I didn't really care since I wasn't directly affected.
Sounded a lot like
Projecting
to me.
But yeah, so many people just don't care about injustice as long as it is not in their lives.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #443 - 09/22/16 at 03:53:31
 

Hmmmmmm ..... yup, I do think this particular injustice IS in YOUR life, it just hasn't bit you yet.    

.... not yet ....

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Reply #444 - 09/22/16 at 07:12:36
 
I just can't see how it is legal.
If I bought a car and it DID what I wanted and six months later went to get in and it would only turn left and wouldn't go over twenty MPH, I think I could sue the manufacturer if they intentionally caused that.
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Reply #445 - 09/22/16 at 11:40:51
 

Jest suppose the next time you had your tires and oil changed on your particular brand of car, there was wording in the fine print on the service ticket that said the dealer could modify your car for "safety reasons".  

And, for the next year the modifications were FREE, yes, at NO CHARGE if you signed the service agreement before August 31st.   Yep, free upgrades for a year, sign right here on the dotted line.

Then in the middle of the year after the free deal ended, the dealer folks got the factory to BUILD into your new car of the same brand that it cannot turn left or go faster than 20mph, and since it is supposedly a SAFETY item then if you try to remove it or alter it, your new car dies, permanently just as soon as your in-dash OnStar calls home that night. 

Your other service branch of a completely different company now says they have to do the safety thing to your brand of car too, due to contractual obligations back to the factory.    It's not a law, but everyone has to do it or they can't get the keys to work.


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There are other brands of cars, you know --- not every car maker is an arsehole.   So what do you do?

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Reply #446 - 09/22/16 at 12:37:36
 
Wellll, uh, lemme have a minute here,   oookay,  I Think I might have an idea...

Uhhh,
Buy a car manufactured by someone who is not part of the scheme,
Yet?
Ohh, always read the fine print.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #447 - 09/23/16 at 00:26:22
 

Microsoft flinches .....     (damme, we weren't ready to phase that out yet.  Damme that Lenovo, jumping the gun like that again.)

Microsoft gets the phone call from the EU commission that they wish to meet with Mickysoft over various issues, including this one.


MS freaks out .....  this is out way way too early yet, the hardware locks aren't supposed to come out until AFTER the Anniversary roll out is complete and all the software sides of the lock up are in place, which isn't but less than half done yet.  

Users are gonna balk now and not put in the Anniversary roll out update now because they are gonna be AFRAID of our upcoming machine lock down now.

Shocked     You do realize the upcoming Win 7 "comprehensive update packages" completely take over your Win 7 machine and turn it into nightly inspected, upgraded nightly mode, right?

Quick, send in the talking heads out to "explain it away" !!!    Tell Lenovo to take out their short sword and fall on it over this one at once -- immediately !!!

http://www.zdnet.com/article/lenovo-reportedly-blocking-linux-on-windows-10-s...



http://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-really-going-on-with-microsoft-lenovo-and-...

This last one is a masterful piece of a talking head job, a situational re-write that puts the short sword all the way through Lenovo's guts and has it poking all the way out the other side.

But the message is CLEAR ...     Lenovo, do not mess with the Linux people right now.     Do not ship any locked down hardware ON ANYTHING until we tell you we are ready for you to ship it --- DO NOT give them any sort of early warning or else many users will NOT take the Anniversary Update with all its necessary software parts of the whole lock down system.

DO NOT FORCE THE EU TO COME DOWN ON US UNTIL IT IS ALL A PAST TENSE "DONE DEAL".
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #448 - 09/23/16 at 00:56:44
 


Oh, the walls of the Garden are shaking and losing a few stones .....  the EU is knocking upon them wishing to speak to whomever is in charge.

Shocked    Shocked    Shocked         Mickysoft freaks out       Shocked    Shocked    Shocked

The Linux dudes in Europe are up in arms waving torches and pitchforks and the storm of emails and tweets are blasting the EU politicians into motion.  

They in turn, are politely knocking at the garden walls, asking to speak to whomever is in charge.  

"This sort of thing isn't done, old chap, not done at all".

During the current furor, a very few vendor captives have slipped out the privy gate and have made their way outside the Walled Garden and have indicated their lives will be now be lived out in the open, that they saw nothing inside the shaded overcrowded garden recesses that would allow their companies to grow or thrive.

They certainly recognize that Mickysoft isn't good enough to stage this sort of thing without getting them all mashed up in the process.

They all also see who took the knife in the guts for doing Mickysoft's bidding, and they all realize that the same thing may be in store for them if they stay inside the garden walls with "Mickysoft the Quick Handed".
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Reply #449 - 09/23/16 at 09:47:30
 

Number 1, Number 2 and Number 3 in ARM/Android land are .....

Qualcomm is still king, with Samsung at #2, but both are hitting rocky patches and are posting volume declines from years previous ......  both are still stealing volume from Apple, but overall their numbers are DOWN compared to years past.

Apple, who is still big simply sits outside of ARM/Android land -- Apple is also posting 20-25% volume losses compared to year past and is losing upper end phone sales to both Qualcomm and Samsung accordingly.

Samsung just cut a deal to let MediaTek build their low end processor needs under MediaTek's own brand name while Sammy is switching some of their lines over to 7nm.   Samsung is still building Qualcomm's big chipsets for them but Samsung is still way way down on 10nm sales volume in total as they lost Apple completely to TSMC due to a lower TSMC 10nm production price.   So, this year elevates MediTek to the Number 3 position, partially on transferred volume, but mostly because MediaTek is doing a lot of things right, lately.

Apple is currently getting their 10nm chipsets from TSMC and guess who else is gonna be building up two brand new layers of lower cost 10nm chipsets at TSMC just as soon as Apple comes off this year's big processor build up ????    

Yup, Mediatek comes in on those lines right after Apple production is done -- Mediatek who is making multiple production batches of those new huge 10 core chipsets built at 10nm followed by a whole slew of brand new 10nm midrange chipsets.   AND MediaTek who is already announcing new 7nm designs for next year, too.  

Aiming right for Qualcomm's balls, they are.

Even Chromebooks are showing new designs based on MediaTek quad core chipsets that are already in the works, so MediaTek is going to be showing up in laptops as well starting this fall.    Somebody other than just Apple is going to lose some old volume this upcoming year as even Samsung acknowledges that you simply can't beat the pricing on those MediaTek midrange chipsets that are being built at TSMC.  

Yup, it's INTEL's time in the bung barrel again this upcoming year as they currently have NO price attractive mobile/Chromebook chipsets that are either REAL or in the works for next year and Intel has no current financial ability to "contra revenue" up a set either.

Also please note that the entire new range of powerful new A72 - A73 based 10nm - 7nm ARM chipsets that are being planned and protoyped by everybody right now have just showed up as "fully supported" inside the Linux kernel.   The old saying about "always buy Intel for future use in Linux" just went into the past tense mode as out of date historical knowledge type stuff .....  

Think of this as a Linux counter move to the Microsoft/AMD/Intel Walled Garden Lockdown and you won't be too terribly far off the mark.

So, MediaTek and TSMC are moving quickly to gather up all them lost production volumes left lying around all over the place for next year ...... including Intel laptops/desktops and any future Linux stuff as well.

Tipping Point -- this may well signal a tipping point in mobile/laptop/PC space.

This could be the beginning of the end for Intel and later, for Microsoft.   Intel is waffling and floundering at the moment, showing no clear executable plan for much of anything, other than for laying off more high salaried silicon experienced employees who won't be very useful going out into the future.   These activities will only speed Intel's progress down their slippery slope slide to obscurity.

The only thing lacking for making it a Perfect Storm against Intel right now is for Apple to say their newest homebuilt A10X / A11x 10nm / 7nm chipset is going to be going into their low end laptops instead of the old Intel chipsets -- as a large cost reduction and productivity improvement thing.

Wink

..... and then the Android 8.0 Phone PC rolls into play late next year .....          Shocked          Yikes !!

Fiscal websites are betting that Intel will soon be forced to produce ARM designs at false loss leader "competitive prices" within 18 months out of a complete lack of choice.    This activity will signal the next speed bump in Intel's slide to obscurity.
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