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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #450 - 09/24/16 at 20:37:20
 

The deeper and deeper folks dig into this first little "walled garden fiasco" the more desperate the major players get to BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE.    

If having Lenovo immediately fall on their short sword wasn't good enough for you (and if you want to follow up on that Lenovo statement that there are AGREEMENTS about this shite with Mickysoft leading that agreed upon lock out effort -- then Mickysoft has a SPECIAL dodge for jest you as well).

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3123075/linux/linux-wont-install-on-your-lapto...

Go talk to the people who built all that performance enhancing hardware BS into their "system on a daughterboard" since they simply can't seem to build a faster processor any more.  

Yup, Intel should be providing drivers and Linux support for THEIR CURRENT INTEL PROCESSOR BOARDS and stating exactly how they actually operate.

"The real question is, why doesn’t Lenovo’s BIOS let you disable RAID mode and use the Linux-compatible AHCI mode on certain laptops, as you can on most other laptops. As Linux developer Matthew Garrett points out, Intel is likely to blame:

“Why would Lenovo do this? I don’t know for sure, but it’s potentially related to something I’ve written about before—
recent Intel hardware needs special setup for good power management. The storage driver that Microsoft ships doesn’t do that setup. The Intel-provided driver does.

“RAID” mode prevents the Microsoft driver from binding and forces the user to use the Intel driver, which means they get the correct power management configuration, battery life is better and the machine doesn’t melt.”

The problem isn’t, as some commenters suspected, due to Microsoft’s Signature PC program. There are also valid concerns that Secure Boot could eventually block Linux from being installed, but that isn’t happening yet. The fact is, Intel just isn’t helping Linux developers, as it should:

“The real problem here is that Intel does very little to ensure that free operating systems work well on their consumer hardware—we still have no information from Intel on how to configure systems to ensure good power management, we have no support for storage devices in ‘RAID’ mode, and we have no indication that this is going to get better in future. If Intel had provided that support, this issue would never have occurred. Rather than be angry at Lenovo, let’s put pressure on Intel to provide support for their hardware,” Garret says."


It's a walled garden folks, with all the walled garden players communicating only in secret and sharing that secret sauce data only with their walled garden buddies.

What you didn't realize is that Intel's latest and greatest whuppie daughter board thingies REQUIRE special tweeks so that "they get the correct power management configuration, battery life is better and the machine doesn’t melt.”  

Playing these sorts of games is the only way Intel can give Mickysoft the ability to run Win 10 at something close to a decent rate of speed, but in doing so dancing by necessity perilously close to "the machine doesn’t melt.”

In the end, the need for this massive around the elbow optimization effort falls back on Microsoft for having written a huge sloppy Win 10 that REQUIRES more processor power than is really available right now just to get the big pig to trot along at a reasonable rate .....

The fact that the Intel daughter board system requires driver and support items only contained in Win 10 isn't an accident -- they TOLD you this was coming, right?   It is all part of the walled garden protection design.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #451 - 09/25/16 at 05:53:43
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/09/oct-4th-rumors-google-show-off-merged-androidch...

    looks like organic growth personified, don't it?

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Well, how opportune ....  during the first big public furor over the Walled Garden somebody states they are going to be showing the first public examples of the conjoined Android/Chrome OS in about a week's time.

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Last week we learned that FOSS had just pushed all the current modern ARM chipsets (yup, the bigger boys that have good processor speed, USB C support, large memory capability, etc. etc.) over into the Linux Kernel.   That implies that the root Linux OS kernel will be able to support all of them, and that somebody had actually requested and supported all that detailed effort as it is DONE at this point in time.    Putting stuff into the Linux Kernel is step one of Google support, since Android/Chrome are all actually Linux softwares that are supported out of the kernel.

Since all these Oriental guys used to sit as "to the death" Hockey Stick competitors to each other, and some are actually sorta slack and very Chinese in their outlooks on this sort of stuff, they all likely needed a band leader to get them all organized.    

Me, I suspect Google was the organizer and the carrot offered to the processor builders was to get new vistas opened up for each of the affected companies for added sales of new equipment.   The stick was that their most hated competitor was in there already, just waiting to jump on the new market opportunities.  

So, they all joined up .....  willingly enough, but with some hockey sticks clacking together sporadically as they sat together in the meetings.

Do you see a counter move to the Walled Garden being made?    A "open fields" approach where everyone gets a chance to grow?

One hopes for a Googlish conjoined OS to be shown that is light and fast and requires about half the resources that Win 10 requires (and works twice as fast as Win 10 to actually get stuff done).

Next, expect ARM to come out with a new class of new, more powerful larger core designs, with the new Cortex A-? cores having more processing power and bigger power requirements, intended to run off of LARGER batteries (or wall socket power).    

A laptop core, instead of a phone core so to speak.    Please remember, this laptop super core may be physically the same size and pull the same current that older "powerful" cores used to pull because when the lithography gets to 10nm and below and you get more output power and throughput for your milliwatt/hour.

This plays for AMD's Zen processors, as AMD is a Global Foundries customer and will buy the 10nm and the 7nm process from Global as soon as they can.
AMD will certainly arrive at 10nm and 7nm before Intel does, unless Intel wants to  have some of their processors actually built by Samsung, Global or TSMC.

Expect Apple to perhaps go over to an AMD Zen processor or to cook their own laptop processor design around the A-11x Apple chipset family about at this same point in time, as Apple will have to respond to this sort of market shift or else APPLE WILL LOSE EVEN MORE (50% so far in the last 3 years) MARKET SHARE TO THE NEW CHROMEBOOKS*.   Not responding would be a poor business decision.

*or whatever Google is going to be calling them now -- Pixels ???    Pixel OS ???  Nope, how about Andromeda ???


We are about a week away from this next revelation .....   and as you think about it, remember this info from the past 3 years of trending change .....



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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #452 - 09/26/16 at 11:17:12
 

Today is an out of the closet day .....



First, here is the new 10nm (11 core) Helio 30 chipset from MediaTek .....

Which will perhaps be inside the code named BISON laptop from Google  which is thought to be a Pixel Laptop by the current leakages ....

Which will perhaps be running Andromeda OS ......

More may become known in ~ 8~ more days when Google actually presents   ..... stuff .....

Smiley     people are chomping at the bit to become Beta Testers of these new systems
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #453 - 09/27/16 at 13:44:31
 

Microsoft started a YEAR ahead of Google Android on the Continuum thing, but Microsoft has been completely lapped now by Android and has fallen further behind since then.    

On top of that, the new Win 10 phone softwares have no backwards compatibility to old Window phones and their current Win 10 phone sales figures run around 0.4 of 1 percent (%) of all the cell phones currently being sold.

http://liliputing.com/2016/09/multi-window-support-coming-windows-10s-continu...

Microsoft’s Continuum for phone feature sounded awesome on paper: you could supposedly connect your Windows 10 Mobile smwayartphone to a display, mouse, and keyboard and use it like a desktop PC.

In practice, though, the feature has some serious limitations. Only a very few phones could ever handle it.  Only Windows Store apps are supported.  And these apps can only run in full-screen mode on your desktop display… for now.






When using an external display on the few supported Windows Phones in April, 2017 you’ll supposedly be able to resize the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps, move them around the screen, and view multiple apps at the same time. Screen snapping will also supposedly work then too.

This "already a year late" April, 2017 Continuum update, code-named Redstone 2, isn’t expected to officially launch until April, 2017 at the earliest. But a preview version should begin rolling out to members of the Windows Insider program sometimes before then.

Note that you’ll need a Continuum-friendly phone like the Microsoft Lumia 950, Lumia 950 XL, Acer Liquid Jade Primo, or HP Elite x3 to get the new features.


Last year's generation of Android phones have caught most of these features with the now rolling out Nougat update, with Jide and Superphone available in the Play Store along with docking stations to hook your current Android phone on up today.

Whatever Google calls the next generation of Android past Nougat  (Andromeda ???)  it will support these sorts of things natively.     MS requires a post-processing cabling station to do their Continuum tricks, a cabling station that by itself costs as much as most mid range Android phones cost.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #454 - 09/30/16 at 08:18:24
 

http://liliputing.com/2016/09/hp-blocks-third-party-ink-working-printers-comp...

HP shows its arse as a Walled Garden member in good standing .....



HP learns some new dirty tricks from Mickysoft

A few weeks ago HP activated a firmware update sent over the internet for many of its recent printers. The company said the update was meant to “ensure the best consumer experience,” but what the update did was stop HP’s printers from working with third-party ink cartridges.

Even customers who had already purchased those cartridges, put them in their printers, and used them for months found that after the update they could no longer print.

This left many users frustrated, and
the Electronic Frontier Foundation called on HP to roll back the update and promise never to describe this sort of thing as a “security” update again.

Here’s the thing: modern printers are internet-connected devices which can be affected by security vulnerabilities much the same way as laptops, phones, or other devices. Those vulnerabilities can be exploited so that a printer can download malware from the internet, pass it along to a computer, and compromise your data. But the same thing could theoretically happen if you insert ink from an untrusted source: because there’s a chip on ink cartridges, it could be used to inject malware.

Of course, if HP hadn’t included a security chip in its ink cartridges in the first place, maybe this would be a non-issue.

It’s also telling that HP describes its “security chip” and the firmware update as designed to “protect HP’s innovation and intellectual property,” rather than as a feature designed to protect users in any way.

Meanwhile, it’s pretty easy to imagine another reason HP would want to block users from installing third-party ink cartridges. Printers are a sort of razor-handle-and-blades product. You buy the printer once and use it for many years. But you will probably buy many, many ink cartridges over the life of the printer, and that’s where the real money is.

If you decide to buy cheaper ink from a third-party, then HP doesn’t get as much value. One solution would be to raise the initial cost of the printer itself (which would be difficult to justify in a competitive marketplace). Another would be to discourage customers from buying anything but HP-branded ink.

Anyway, the good news is that users will soon have the option of installing an update that will allow ink cartridges that are currently unsupported to work again.

The bad news for HP is that this recent move has probably done in the company’s reputation.


Roll Eyes    Dumb, you listened to Mickysoft and now you have shot yourself in the foot unnecessarily.    With a shotgun, no less.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #455 - 10/01/16 at 08:54:42
 
Xerox had a small copier that had a drum unit with a counter.
When it hit a certain copy count it popped a hair width fuse link.
It could be making perfect copies, BUT, because Xerox didn't want to see Their copier producing low quality copies, they just obsoleted the drum module. I was able to jumper the thing on one out of three or four, but I gave up..
The customers were Pissed at Xerox.. and I don't blame them.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #456 - 10/02/16 at 05:20:03
 

Google is condensing and rebranding itself as more of a direct competitor to both MS and Apple.   This is a change that likely will carry elements both good and bad.

Google has been FOSS driven, putting things out to see if they grow or not based upon them being better ideas or not.

Chromebooks slowly grew, but grow they did -- some would say that growing to 30% market share inside 5-6 years was somewhat of an impressive thing, but actually the Google guys expected to more or less take over the market because their stuff was ..... better.

What they found was an actively entrenched US market place that has further walled and defended itself in an attempt to just keep on selling the same old stuff.

ARM Holdings is now out from under Apple's thumb and will likely rebrand themselves shortly in several fairly substantial fashions.    Google is rebranding itself as we speak (major announcements on Tuesday of this week).

In the face of this upcoming wave of competitive products, you got Microsoft, Intel and HP LOCKING DOWN all new laptops and desktops and printers to only use the buddy partner's products or their very own items bought from the MS store.

Expect to see a wave of printers coming from Samsung and Brother and others to fill in the gap just left in the wall by HP's recent stupid actions.    PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT HAVING TO BUY AN HP REPLACEMENT INK CARTRIDGE AT 4X THE COST OF GENERIC.  

Both Cannon and Brother sell tank based printers in India right now, ones that you just pour the ink direct from the bottle into the various color tanks.   The Epson tank printer is on sale at Walmart.com ..... has been for a year now.

What is good about this increased competition?   More choices, lower operating costs.

What is potentially bad about this Google total rebranding and the increasing entrenchment from the Walled Garden guys?   Less choice, higher prices and FOSS losing access to the some of the code needed to integrate new products into the free zone.


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Yes, the free zone (the place where I live) may simply get chopped off by the Walled Garden boys .....  they are trying to wall off their customer base now and will move against FOSS who has lived small off of their customer base,  converting them to "free stuff" for years and years and years now.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #457 - 10/03/16 at 18:58:45
 

HP SCREWS UP AGAIN ..... promises to reverse their controversial "over the web update" and then DOES NOT ACTUALLY GO DO IT.

Once again, a Walled Garden guy tries to defend his turf so he can still go around doing the same old shite he has always done -- I think this is called "sticking your head in the sand" like an Ostrich supposedly does.

There are alternatives out there you know.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-pixma-ink-efficient-g1000-g2000-and-...





https://www.walmart.com/ip/Epson-WorkForce-ET-4500-EcoTank-All-in-One-Printer...



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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #458 - 10/03/16 at 20:33:56
 

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3126161/microsoft-windows/windows-10-usage-p...

"Depending on whose numbers you believe, the Windows 10 adoption rate is either horrible or disastrous"  headline quote, no less

Oh, I do so love being proven right, finally.

I said Mickysoft was lying about the adoption rates of Win 10,  that it was all made up numbers that were put forth to get you to switch ANY LYING WAY THEY COULD.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3126161/microsoft-windows/windows-10-usage-p...

Read it and understand that while the numbers NEVER ACTUALLY WENT UP for the last part of the sell in year you were told they were marching right along towards the 1 billion goal -- this was all just a big Mickysoft marketing lie.  

They had to fool you into clicking "yes" somehow ......

Microsoft tossed Win10 under the bus when it unleashed the Get Windows 10 infection. Microsoft lost much of its credibility with consumers and put a severe dent in corporate loyalty. As soon as the coerced upgrades stopped, Win10 market share drifted.

Microsoft’s main hope right now lies in convincing enterprises to move to Win10, spurred by demonstrated advances in security. The consumer market may be nudged forward with new machines replacing old ones: All new machines from the major WinPC manufacturers will ship with Win10 pre-installed, starting next month.

But there’s another force at work. Starting this month, Windows 7 and 8.1 will get the same kind of forced updating -- and, presumably, snooping -- that have become hallmarks of Windows 10. The patchopalypse may drive some to move to Windows 10, to cave in to the indominatable force. My guess is that the patchopalypse will lead most Windows 8.1 and 7 users to simply stop applying updates, or to drop Windows entirely.

Numbers based on website hits from both StatCounter and NetMarketshare, the two biggest market tracking organizations, say that Windows 10 usage share flatlined from August to September. NetMarketshare says Windows 10's slice of desktop operating system use decreased by 0.5 percent.



Guys, this says they aren't even selling enough machines to REPLACE what they are intentionally still killing with driver based illnesses, hard drive partition "errors" and the various other MS dirty tricks.

And when they start slipping their "upgrades" into your Win 7 installation late at night while you are sleeping, guess which parts you get first .....    

Sad         .... where did all these bricks stacked up around my PC come from ?????     My la-de-da just quit working,    hmmmmm  --  wonder if I need a new PC ???

No, you need to load a Linux Mint Mate DVD or jump drive, then see if your hardware is really still functioning normally.     Know WHY you are having to consider a new machine.

Then consider simply using Linux instead --- Mickysoft isn't going to stop with the use of dirty tricks, you know, they depend on them now as a major tool in their tool box.
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Reply #459 - 10/04/16 at 07:02:04
 
If someone could demonstrate that Chevrolet was sabotaging the cars they sold last year so they could sell more next year, people would , people would WHAT?
We already Know that the government brought drugs in, which created crime, which necessitated more cops, more prisons.

Gee, it's Almost looking like the system is rigged.
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Reply #460 - 10/04/16 at 11:34:20
 

Time to pick your choice of VR Systems



Contender A      MSI Wintel all the way ......  a sleek 9 pound backpack and flexible cabled connected googles.






====================     or     ==========================



Contender B       Goole swinging a sub 1 pound goggle holding your Pixel cell phone which is connected wirelessly to the net and to the sword handle.






Roll Eyes       mmmmmm,   lemme think on this one a little bit, can't be buying me some obsolete tech here now, not at this stage of things .......
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Reply #461 - 10/04/16 at 13:01:09
 
OF, at the risk of displaying even greater tech illiteracy. What do those things do?
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OF, at the risk of displaying even greater tech illiteracy. What do those things do?
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Reply #463 - 10/04/16 at 15:22:40
 

You go inside the game, and you swing a sword or a light saber or shoot a gun, while you are all up close and gore splashin' personal.

Example:  you are exploring a dark cave by flashlight and you get bitten by a snake, you look down and see the snake attached to your boot.    You now see the other snakes coming for you across the floor ......  you look up and see the bats and spiders headed for you too.    Retreat and get a couple of flaming torches before returning.

You learn to look down and up and all around all the time, since evil can come at you from any direction in VR space.

Tourist stuff comes off especially well in VR, since you can look around you in any direction.

VR = virtual reality
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Reply #464 - 10/04/16 at 23:50:51
 
Hate to say it OF, but I think I'll stick to riding an S40 and driving antique cars.
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