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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #495 - 10/25/16 at 08:44:01
 

https://www.arm.com/files/pdf/20160701_01_ATF_Taiwan_Steve_Steele.pdf

ARM has now updated their 2016-2017 road map with full details.  

They have not released any 2018-2019 road map yet.    They are working with the foundries and the chip and phone builders to get several new generational 7nm designs worked out for the various variations of 7nm which are going to be coming out from the different players.  

As such, by contract ARM releases ZERO information until the phones/tablets get ready to ship.   The phone/table manufacturer/seller generally releases the first wave of info, then ARM can come out with the rest of the story the very next day.

So far we know that a new big and a new little are coming, with Artemis (A73) and the new little code name Mercury being known at this point in time.   Some A73 details were shown when Mediatek shipped the first phones with the first Cortex A-73 big cores in them, but they used the old A-53 little cores at that point in time.   None were built using 7nm either.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #496 - 10/25/16 at 10:58:49
 

https://liliputing.com/2016/10/intel-launches-atom-e3900-internet-things-product
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Intel further solidifies their intention NOT TO PLAY IN CONSUMER PRODUCT SPACE ANYMORE.



Since the chips are designed for connected devices such as video surveillance systems, in-vehicle computers, and other IoT products. They don’t need to be as energy-efficient as the company’s earlier Atom chips since they aren’t expected to show up in smartphones, so Intel’s E3900 series chips have TDP ratings of 6 watts to 12 watts. But they also include new features for security and connectivity.

I’ll probably stop paying attention to developments in this space eventually, since Liliputing generally covers mobile tech aimed at consumers, and it increasingly looks like Intel’s vision for the future of Atom included embedded applications for industrial and commercial use. Eventually we may see the technology in smart cars and other items aimed at consumers, but I don’t own a car, so I have a hard time getting excited about smart automotive systems.

That said, it is interesting to see how the chips that powered early netbooks have evolved into an entirely new product category.

Intel will offer a few different Atom E3900 models:

Atom x5-E3930: 1.3 GHz dual-core CPU w/6.5W TDP, 1.8 GHz burst speeds
Atom x5-E3940: 1.6 GHz quad-core CPU w/9.5W TDP, 1.8 GHz burst speeds
Atom x7-E3950: 1.6 GHz quad-core CPU w/12W TDP, 2 GHz burst speeds


These are the same old Atom processors that were "discontinued" six months ago, simply re-stenciled with a new part number with a backing away from the inflated speed claims falsely made for the chips back then.

If the chips are reasonably priced, there are old products that could go back into production using them since they are basically the same old stuff that Intel sold back then.

Also note that Brad Linder states he isn't going to be reporting on Intel much any more, as Intel has firmly declared they have left Consumer space for Industrial/Automotive embedded space now.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #497 - 10/25/16 at 11:21:23
 

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/30/macos-sierra-code-suggests-apple-coul...

With Intel saying they are going to be dropping out of consumer computing space and that they are not upgrading their processor capabilities in any serious fashion for next year, what follows should not be a surprise to anybody.



Could Apple be working on next-generation Mac hardware that would be powered by an in-house designed processor based on CPU blueprints from British fabless semiconductor maker ARM Holdings plc? That’s exactly the conclusion one could reach by looking closely at code strings in the macOS Sierra kernel, discovered by Dutch outlet TechTastic.nl.

It’s very peculiar that Apple would add support for ARM technology to MacOS Sierra.

As you know, all Macs manufactured since 2005 run Intel chips. The Apple appears to be implementing support for ARM chips in the Mac operating system could mean that first ARM-based Macs might appear this year.

As TechTastic.nl states, developers no longer submit fully compiled binaries.

Instead, intermediary bit code is submitted which Apple uses to compile the binary code for the specific CPU architecture. Should Apple release an ARM-based Mac, developers wouldn’t need to re-submit their existing code nor would they need to add any ARM-specific code in order for their apps to run natively on ARM-based hardware.

“It is probably also one of the reasons why legacy applications have recently been removed from the App Store,” speculates the publication.


WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?    If you submit an app to the Apple Mac store that was written according to current Apple Mac standards -- it will automatically run on an ARM based Apple processor naturally with the app writer not having to do anything to fix it or change the app in any way.  

Anything that won't meet this current standard has been removed from the Apple Mac store already as a "legacy app".

Tie this in with another very low key factoid -- all the current generation of ARM Cortex items have just been added to the Linux Kernel by Linus and his kernel boys -- this work is complete at this point in time (including all the relevant SOC details) for all the common upper level ARM SOCs.

This means Linux Distros, Android, Andromeda and all the various sorts of various open source platforms that are code dependent on the Linux Kernel will "just work" on compliant ARM SOCs going forward.   The world is unhooking itself from Intel dependency as Intel firmly states that they are leaving the party fairly soon --- headed for other venues that can make Intel relatively more money than consumer computing.

Intel leaving the Consumer Computing infrastructure right now won't rock all that many boats outside of mebbe the Walled Garden boys, in all real likelihood.  

Plans are in place and are being finalized this year for a massive change up "coming soon" to Consumer Computing.    

What do you think Intel will find when they reach these other shores?   I think Intel will find that ARM SOCs will already be there, waiting to greet them .....  Texas Instruments, Broadcom, NVIDIA and several others will certainly be there already.


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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #498 - 10/25/16 at 20:08:13
 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/04/19/intel-layoffs-12000-11/83242832/

SAN FRANCISCO — Intel will lay off 11% of its global workforce, up to 12,000 employees, a painful downsizing aimed at accelerating its shift away from the waning PC market to one more focused on cloud computing and connected devices.

In an email to employees, CEO Brian Krzanich said that after the restructuring, "I am confident that we’ll emerge as a more productive company with broader reach and sharper execution."

Intel CFO Stacy Smith said that half the workforce reduction, 6,000 people, will be accomplished by the end of this year.

The Santa Clara, Calif.-based Intel currently has about 112,400 employees worldwide. Because the shift is going to be “very, very difficult for the employee base,” Smith, in an interview with USA TODAY, declined to say where the majority of the layoffs would occur.

The layoffs will have an outsized effect on Oregon and especially the Portland area. Intel is Oregon's largest private employer, with 18,500 working at six campuses west of Portland, according to the company. The sites are one of the main anchors of the state’s economy.

Its second largest site is in Chandler, Arizona, where it has mQualcomm picks up a smaller but fairly modern foundry in the dealore than 11,000 employees.

Intel said it expects the layoffs to deliver $750 million in savings in 2016 year and an annual run rate savings of $1.4 billion by mid-2017. The company will record a one-time charge of approximately $1.2 billion in the second quarter, it said.


Some minor upgrading to this story -- the layoff percentage will be higher than originally announced as efforts to go to 10nm were again delayed and the loudly announced potential ARM processor build customers (LG) will likely have to seek other foundry sources accordingly.  

Next, the even more deadly delay in the Intel 7nm changeover may cost Intel their ongoing Apple business and any remnants of the LG business that was announced earlier this year.   Apple has laid in other plans, which are becoming clearer as the extra months of delay drag on by.

Intel does have sources of revenue outside of consumer computing, and Intel is relying on those sources to carry the company forward at this point in time as a much smaller, much more tightly focused company.    

Wall Street believes that Intel is doing the right things by the big layoffs and the other big downsizing charge-off moves and when the Intel right sizing program is completed Intel may indeed be competitive in their chosen new markets.

I question this optimism as Intel is now going to be trying to unseat existing established ARM based competitors that are going to be getting 30% speed bumps and 50% energy savings out of 10nm to 7nm ARM processors compared to the "same old same old Intel CISC based processors Intel will be building on older lithography levels ---- and the harsh fact that to date Intel has NEVER EVER successfully and cost effectively built a single real ARM SOC yet, not for themselves nor for Rockchip nor for Altera nor for LG.  

Not one.  Period.

Three months ago Intel announced a string of stuff that simply hasn't happened yet.   This reminds me of the endless brown vapor string of Rockchip designed ARM based SoFIA processors that simply never came to being because they were NEVER going to be competitive and everybody knew that.  

That 3 year long string of new SoFIA's was just a string of brown vapor poots to keep stockholders happy and stock prices up.

In the listing itself, I list in blue any old existing CISC items that have been run for years and years on 22nm Intel and that are not current wins by anyone's calculations.   I also list in blue Altera, which is fully owned by Intel and as such is not any different from Intel's other internal CISC offerings.  

I list in red the ARM based things that simply aren't real yet, and with Intel now having to delay their new 10nm ARM processes for another part of a year that may well never become real as these external customers are now having to seek other fully operational 10nm foundries so they can have something real to sell this upcoming spring and summer.    They need to sell something to survive -- sometimes Wintel doesn't get that it seems.

Remember, please, that Samsung has a proven 10nm track record (Apple and Qualcomm for two years now) and Samsung is advertising excess capacity at 10nm.  TSMC also has long experience and some open lines since Apple is done with 10nm and both these guys have open 10nm lines sitting idle right now.   Both are EXPERIENCED and FULLY FUNCTIONAL at 10nm and at least one of the two is a lot cheaper than any potential "experimental" Intel production could possibly be.    

LG is not a big volume chip user and LG could squeeze into one of these guy's 10nm production schedule very easily rather than take more Intel "flop" risk and more delays.


LG Electronics will produce a world-class mobile platform based on Intel Custom Foundry’s 10nm design platform. We’re pleased to welcome them as a customer. (not real yet due to Intel delays)

Spreadtrum is designing on Intel’s 14 nm foundry platform.  (nearly 2 years old and not real yet)


Achronix Semiconductor is in production on its Intel 22 nm Speedster 22i HD1000 networking silicon.  (old existing CISC business)

Netronome is in production on its Intel 22 nm networking silicon – NFP-6480.  (old existing CISC business)go

Altera is using our foundry platform to build the first true 14 nm FPGA, which offers unprecedented advances in PPA.  (is Intel owed, is an old existing CISC business that Intel bought)


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Rumors are that 10nm Intel is eat up with teething problems, and currently offers no real advantages to Intel's 3rd generation 14nm process --- which is why Intel isn't using their new 10nm process on their own chipsets.

Also note that the 12,000 people downsizing plan and the exit from Consumer Computing was announced AFTER these breakthrough partnership deals.

I suspect some of these brown vapor things hit the can right along with the people working on them ......
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #499 - 10/27/16 at 11:24:32
 

https://liliputing.com/2016/10/qualcomm-acquire-nxp-47-billion.html

Do you remember Freescale?   Used to foundry a lot of chips, Freescale did.   Was a very early IoT supplier, made chipsets for hobby boards and routers and VCRs and stuff like that?   Started to actually build significant Quad Core big little chipsets and then Freescale got snapped up by NXP, who was very strong in automotive dash systems, radar and the like -- the combination making up a leading player in automotive who was duking things out with Nvidia all the time with NXP losing in some of the recent contests?    

Well, guess who just snapped up NXP for just a little less than twice what NXP had to pay for Freescale?   Yep, Qualcomm.



What you see is Qualcomm, looking into the phone future and seeing a second and a third 800 pound phone gorilla coming up out of the gorilla pack -- two of them having big advantages over Qualcomm since they control their OS systems and Qualcomm does not.

Qualcomm also sees the phone pie's growth leveling off worldwide now, and going negative in Europe and the USA as last year's phone is fine, thank you very much.

So, Qualcomm is not stupid, nor prideful, nor are they slow mentally.   MediaTek is squeezing them strongly from below.  MediaTek has up and coming chipsets that are actually getting up into the premium zone now.   MediaTek and Samsung have new arrangements for Samsung to stop building mid-range and lower products and just use MediaTek chipsets.  Samsung is Qualcomm's current foundry supplier, and Samsung understands Snapdragon all the way down to the silicon etching needed to make it work.   Sammy needs a big rabbit out of the hat for next summer, and they have lines to convert to 7nm, etc. etc.   Sammy is busy doing things that will push Qualcomm from the side some more in the phone arena next year.

Apple is showing signs of a renovation in phones and laptops as a result of Intel's dialing down.  Apple has clearly moved out in front of the pack again, by at least 1 full lithography and design generation, shortly to be 1.5 generations.   Apple has lots of cash to fuel their renovation plans and they can disrupt the order of things by simply moving suppliers around, something they like to do just about yearly.   \ Apple just made the vendor moves that turned Sammy into a lean, mean junkyard dog just in time for next year's slug fest.

Google has stopped being Switzerland and has become a competitor at the very top end of things.  This is good, as long as they buy Qualcomm chipsets.  But Google has a habit of buying the very best price/feature mix for each level of phone that they make, and they always make two levels of phones now.   Seeing MediaTek show up as the lower part of some of these phone pair ups wouldn't shock me for too much.  

MediTek is already working with Google on Chromebooks, so the communications channels and active cooperation between the two already exist.

Remember, Google has and will use a Samsung chipset if it it a clear winner, and Samsung has access to 7nm Germanium laced tech through the IBM/Global/Samsung tech consortium.   And Sammy has both the motivation and the time right now to go work on it, hard.

So, what does it all mean ????

The pie is shrinking and the hungry dogs are getting ready to spill each others blood to get some more of that shrinking pie.

So, proactively, Qualcomm has just laid them out a non-phone growth strategy that they are going to pursue while they are still strong enough to TAKE some turf away from the existing players who are already sitting in those new markets.   Qualcomm is now starting to move over into new growing markets, car dash systems, self driving systems, vision systems, etc. etc.   NXP is their fire sale bought crowbar to use to get these doors pried partially open, as NXP has an approved PPAP'd supplier base and NXP is currently a qualified supplier to most of the brands of futuristic type car systems.  

Qualcomm owns the patents for most of the communications, radios, etc. that are used in these futuristic items, so that is also a big advantage for NXP now as Qualcomm doesn't have to pay itself the royalty tax that all the rest of the players do have to pay.

Please note, Qualcomm picks up a smaller but fairly modern foundry in the deal, something they may have a use for as it is already up and running making modern automotive chipsets and is all used to all the automotive quality requirements.  

It can certainly make IoT chipsets as it also does that already.

Since Qualcomm isn't really leaving anything yet, this is really just diversification, which is kinda expensive, but a good thing to do if you are able to move over into a growing market situation and grow right along with it.

IoT is growing, rapidly, and so is Automotive.  These are good moves for Qualcomm, and very bad news for poor old Intel, who just made the same moves as a forced putt because Qualcomm and everybody else was taking turns kicking their butt over in Consumer Computing.  

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Well Intel, guess who just moved over into the new school where you had just moved to, just to get away from them bad bad boys ???  

Poor baby, look to see your head go back into the toilet for a brand new swirly hairdo very shortly ......
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #500 - 10/29/16 at 04:25:52
 

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/28/13452084/microsoft-apple-new-pc-surface-ma...

We have just seen Microsoft and Apple roll out their new stuff, and it is impressive, price-wise, but contains no real progressive items to justify that much of a larger price.    Sales volumes in PC land are simply falling past the point they will REQUIRE larger per item prices just to break even.

The future of PCs and Macs is expensive

The personal desktop computer used to once be an exclusive and expensive machine, though we now know it and its laptop counterpart as a mass-market commodity that most people can afford. This week, however, the companies that defined the personal computer, Microsoft and Apple, gave us a glimpse of the future and it looks like a return to the past: the PC is going back to being an exclusive and expensive machine.

Here’s my interpretation of this phenomenon: Apple and Microsoft have both come to terms with the fact that people are simply never going to buy PCs — whether in desktop or laptop form, running Windows or macOS — in the old numbers that they used to. Computers are just too good nowadays, most users are already satisfied, and so the market for new PCs inevitably shrinks. And when you can’t have growth in total sales, the logical move is to try and improve the other multiplier in the profit calculation: the per-unit price and built-in profit margin. That's been Apple's approach for a while, and now Microsoft is joining in.

Instead of thinking of such preposterous concepts as a post-PC world — which will only be precipitated by some apocalyptic event that wipes out all human progress and technology — we simply have to make ourselves comfortable with the notion that larger computers are returning to being a niche category.  

There's a compelling argument to be made that the average person's home computing needs are currently well met by their phone or tablet.


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Mobile truly has eaten away at everything PC, and the "consumption capabilities" of a current top of the line large screen mobile phone or tablet really do exceed those of a low end laptop from only 3-4 years ago.    Old PCs and laptops are actually still good enough functionally and they all can swing the current OS versions just fine, so why go buy a new one?
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #501 - 11/01/16 at 15:43:20
 

Intel is now pushing rumors that they will go into 10nm production on ARM chipsets "soon" for Apple of all people.

This rumor has a flaw, that flaw is that here in the USA Intel can make a 10nm SOC better  (and cheaper)  than TSMC can make the same 10nm SOC in Taiwan.

TSMC just took all this business away from Samsung by being better, quicker and cheaper than the South Korean based Samsung.   TSMC holds all the contracts through 2018.

Harsh fact, Intel does not have a working 10nm process at all yet, second harsh fact is that Intel has never successfully made a FUNCTIONAL (much less price competitive)  SOC at all, ever, end of story.

Microsoft and Apple are now getting slammed for coming up with a crop of VERY EXPENSIVE new products that have no real innovation showing anywhere, while Chromebooks quietly upgrade to take over the mid range Laptop/PC price points while the old school boys are spending all their attention and time throwing gold plated rocks at each other up in the Ultra Upper End Price Range.

The mid-range Chromebook flood waters are being lead by MediaTek based A-72/A-53 big little SOC's, with a brand new crop of 10nm A-73 SOCs being promised for next year at a 30% increase in performance and 40% increase in battery life.  

That is a BIG BIG goody boost, you know.

Intel has nothing coming to counter these new 10nm MediaTek specialty built Chromebook processors, nothing at all -- except a few brown vapor poots about things that will likely never happen.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #502 - 11/01/16 at 16:13:00
 

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jidetech/remix-io-a-4k-nougat-powered-al...

Jide is back on Kickstarter -- $129 for a Rockchip Hexacore RK 3399 A-72/A-53  SIX CORE  processor unit that is a fully functional Android TV streamer, Android Gaming Station and a fully functional Android PC using fully Windowing Android that works on either your TV or your computer monitor.



The Remix IO+ is expected to ship in May, 2017 and you can reserve one for a pledge of $129 or more at the same Kickstarter campaign.

Existing backers can also add $30 to their original pledge to opt for the improved Remix IO+ instead of the original model… but there is one advantage to getting the less powerful version: it’s expected to ship two months earlier.

Both boxes are said to support 4K video at 60 frames per second, and both feature HDMI and VGA ports, headset jacks, and microSD card slots.

But the Remix IO+ has a Rockchip RK3399 hexa-core processor with two ARM Cortex-A72 CPU cores and four ARM Cortex-A53 cores, Mali-T864 graphics, 4GB of RAM, and 32GB of storage.

It also has two USB 3.0 ports, two USB 2.0 ports and runs an upcoming version of Remix OS which is based on Android 7.x Nougat and which features a TV mode with a user interface designed to be easy to navigate with a remote control.

Redefining All-in-one.   Remix IO is a beautifully designed Android device for your home, office, or school. Engineered to be a 4K set-top box, gaming console, and PC in a single inexpensive device, Remix IO is powered by the latest Remix OS (based on Android Nougat), bringing you unprecedented possibilities in an affordable, easy to setup, and simple to use device.


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And yes, I'd buy one for $129 if my old Dell refurb unit died on me, rather than put up with MickySoft messing with me all the time ......     This new unit is the Google offshoot led attack on the desktop PC, the Gaming Boxes and on the TV Streaming Boxes, all at the same time.    

The one that comes after this one may well ring a whole lot of bells out there in Consumer Consumption land .....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #503 - 11/01/16 at 16:41:10
 

Well, I got some feedback on another thread that my constant upgrades to the information here is interfering with the "Top 10" and "Most Recent" viewing styles .....  sorry about that.

Will fix ASAP.    Won't say stuff nearly as often, and if I can modify an old post with the new information I will do so (refreshing old posts doesn't hit "Top 10" or "Most Recent")

In truth, I think Intel and MS are passively giving over the Consumer turf to Android pretty much of their own free will now anyway, so I think this particular "contest" is pretty much over at this point in time.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #504 - 11/03/16 at 20:52:58
 

Combined Entry, stating a weeks worth of stuff.

Intel  .... announces a fourth generation of 14nm "i5 and i7 refinement" and then announces the 4th gen "refined implementation" may be delayed until the middle of 2017.   Floats more 2018 brown vapor rumors about 10nm Apple chips which is possibly going to be cherry picked (sorted) Intel proof of concept production which will be used only for the relatively very few laptop chipsets that Intel will make next year for Apple (under existing contracts).    All brown stinky vapor, nothing real anywhere soon.

"Apple sorted sustandard daughter boards" will apparently get a new reduced spec part number and will wind up being sold anyway to other laptop builders later on.


Samsung and Qualcomm .... within a day Samsung and Qualcomm both announce that Sammy is in full finished SOC production on 10nm and a day later Qualcomm is holding up a 10nm chipset (completed SOC) at a press conference.   Sammy also announces that limited production on 7nm is to begin in Q2 2017.  



.... We get twice as many finished SOCs per wafer -- we love it !!!        Intel, this is what a modern SOC looks like !!!     See ya soon, buddy .....


This is purportedly a Qualcomm 830 chipset, and it is about half sized TINY compared to the previous generation of Qualcomm flagship SOCs.   There is a significant cost savings seen here based on getting over twice as many chips off a standard sized wafer.


Mediatek Apple and TSMC .... each announces a 10nm variant "in production" at TSMC and both say they will have 7nm shipping in bulk from TSMC by the end of 2017.


Global Foundry .... announces that they are skipping over 10nm completely and are going directly to a 7nm Germanium laced process which will start shipping next year.   AMD announces a new generation of ZEN chipsets based on this tech.

AMD looks to leapfrog over Intel completely by doing so .....


Summary


Intel is now one (1)  full generation behind and soon will be two generations behind as all the mobile players are busting a gut to move over to half voltage 7nm production ASAP because the finished phones will cost a lot less once the supply base has changed over to the new reduced voltage requirements.  

Please remember, the 7nm production wafers will hold 3x more chips than they do right now.  

AMD looks to leapfrog Intel in the same time frame, hinting at early talks aimed at supplying Apple with 7nm Germanium laced x386 laptop and desktop chipsets for year 2019-2020.    

You've got to realize that with laptop/desktop new sales volume shrinking like it is that AMD can easily make plenty of 7nm production off of Global Foundry 7nm Germanium Laced lines to supply this reduced x86 desktop/laptop volume.  

So even if Intel does turn away totally like they say they are doing to do  then there would only be a minimal effect on Consumer Computing as AMD and the OTHER ARM FOUNDRY SUPPLIERS can easily fill those ex-Intel orders.


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Super Memory is in real production now, too

Both Samsung and Intel are now shipping their versions of super memory, but it is still VERY expensive new stuff and is landing mostly in Server Space right now.


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The Phone Era is winding down and all the various players are now trying to diversify into IoT and Auto and other brand new rapidly growing venues.

Now let's go look at the state of the PC era wind down ....

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #505 - 11/06/16 at 02:52:27
 

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/04/intel-split-two-krzanich-smith-cramer/

Intel Corporation May Split In Two – One Part Led by Krzanich, The Other Part By Smith

Wall Street is signalling approval of this proposed theoretical move, since it allows all the very high asset costs of the out of date 22nm and 14nm plants/lines to be counted in the bad half, while allowing all the good stuff to be concentrated in the IoT Automotive half.

Investers are going to buy the good half and dump the bad half just as soon as the split is made.

The new product design half of Intel needs to dump all of its "legacy drag" if it ever expects to move fast enough to keep up with the general flow of IoT things now-a-days.    This is a brutal move, which will lose far more people than the 13% of personnel planned to be laid off as of last month.  

The Intel foundry side would see a need for a drastic foundry floor space reduction needed within the split up year or very shortly thereafter.    Think back, AMD had to do this exact same thing about 5-8 years ago.

Watch it below, he maybe has a point because Intel stock just rallied sharply for NO REASON apart for this thought.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/20/cramer-intel-could-split-in-two.html


Huh          The Intel half of Wintel has cancer in one leg and the Wall Street doctors plan to amputate the bad leg to save its life.


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Stock boffins who are heavily invested in Intel respond why they think Intel should remain whole at this time (and keep these same boffins from losing money while they dump off all their Intel stock ASAP)

http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/26/why-intel-corporation-shouldnt-split...

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Speaking of Wintel, what's with MicroChoke?



Microsoft plans to lay off another 2,850 employees.

The job cuts were disclosed in a Thursday filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

"We periodically evaluate how to best deploy the company's resources," the SEC document said.

Some laid off folks at MS are saying there is a very low key "major realignment" going on, with Management intentionally chopping off fringe parts of the company associated with PC based software development.   Some of these were old acquisitions that are being announced as being donated to FOSS.  

The Win 10 constant churn will slow down some more and perhaps stabilize a bit due to a lack of people, mainly.  

All of the Win 10 phone based and various sales based layoffs are all over at this point in time, so these new cuts affect more of the core business now.

Look to see any currently broken Win 10 features eventually replaced, but never fixed in the interim.
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Reply #506 - 11/06/16 at 06:39:06
 

This is a precursor to what you will see from now on out as Walled Garden manufacturers are getting their chipsets abruptly discontinued by Intel just as soon as the Intel warehouses empty out .....

https://liliputing.com/2016/11/dells-cancelled-windows-phone-intel-chip-revealed
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"So here’s what seems to have happened: Dell was working on a phone with an x86 chip from Intel. It would have supported Continuum software… and not necessarily the stripped down Continuum for phone version that runs on today’s handsets.

Instead, you may have been able to use it more like a Windows tablet. When holding the phone in your hands you get a touch-friendly user interface with full screen apps and a full-screen Start Screen. Connect a laptop dock or desktop dock and you get a Start Menu, taskbar, desktop, and support for running just about any Windows app in a windowed mode.

And then Intel suddenly announced it was discontinuing that chip family."


Angry         ..... with this going on, you'd be a fool to be planning a new Win 10 mobile anything .....


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Articles are being written now on the "downside" end games of the PC era.   Nobody predicts the PC/laptop is going away, it is still too useful.   However, look to see new unit prices go up DRAMATICALLY since MS and Intel are driving that action every way they can.  

If Intel and Microsoft are gonna stay, they are going to go back to making the big bucks .... if not they turn somewhere else.

Consumer use of Linux has jumped over a precent and a half this past quarter, as people are seeking a way to keep on being functional as Mickysoft fumbles around with their "approved" driver issues and various other "intentional machine killers".    Linux Mint and Ubuntu are always mentioned, with Linux Mint Mate being deemed the closest to Win7/XP of any Linux Distro out there right now.
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https://liliputing.com/2016/11/microsoft-joins-linux-foundation-no-really.html

Microsoft responds to people jumping ship on Win 10 by loading a Linux variant then deciding they like it and giving it the entire drive.   So, Microsoft has joined the Linux Foundation as a full Platinum board level member to see what can be done about this.

You see, folks really dislike Win 10 and all the ad slow down effects (and the snooping, let's not forget about the nightly snooping and all the continuously breaking drivers and stuff).    More and more, folks are realizing they LIKE both Linux Mint and Ubuntu more than they like Mickysoft's latest OS version.



Me, I distrust Mickysoft and having them join the Linux Foundation as a Platinum member simply says they are now in a position to do more active conniving and greater damage to their up and coming competitors all the while pushing off more old MS purchased softwares that they no longer wish to spend MS money to support ongoing (but have a legal responsibility to do so).

Wink     " ..... Hey, your old software is now FOSS software, go see them about your problems ....."


Google shifts into low gear and moves slowly and carefully and inexorably towards Andromeda, their new conjoined full function OS.   Google does not wish to be seen as pushing MS out of the OS arena, they prefer for folks to see MS as "turning away" just like Intel is currently doing.  

Yes, Google and FOSS both prefer the marketplace to see MS as quitting or "abandoning ship" so to speak.

And Intel and MS are now putting out one minute long prime time TV ads saying your old PC is really too slow to use Win 10 and that you need to update your hardware to 'the latest and fastest Intel processors' (which BTW aren't any faster, and in some cases are actually slower than what you have right now).

They think you aren't informed enough or smart enough to figure this out on your own.

(Beware all this "hardware based acceleration" stuff that is installed on newer motherboards, they act to LOCK YOU INTO MICKYSOFT completely as they will never boot a Linux at all ..... )

And please remember, if you want a real speed boost that is not based on hardware trickery, simply load up Linux Mint on your old machine and use that for a few years until MS and Intel finish doing whatever it is they are currently planning on doing to "exit gracefully".
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OK, 10nm is now shipping from Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung and Mediatek.   You can buy it today as a premium grade cell phone product.   You can buy it as systems memory and SSD memory.

Apple is passing out their "limited" preliminary Beta Test iPhones at 7nm half voltage right now, as we speak.   Apple is smart about large drastic changes, they hard test them for a YEAR before letting main production begin.   It willl take most of that year to build enough 7nm chipsets for a big Apple roll out anyway ....

Intel has now completely EXITED the phone world, and has started chopping off the lower end pieces of their tablet and PC stuff as well.

INTEL IS TWO (2) FULL LITHOGRAPHY GENERATIONS BEHIND NOW .....

Intel layoffs and line idles continue .....   Intel hopes to displace the current players in their new operating areas, but with Qualcomm moving into the same areas Intel will soon get another trip to the toilet bowl for yet another swirly hair do.    

Intel has now "floated" some plans to cut itself in half to allow all the legacy computing plants to go into the bad half and keep whatever is good in the good half ......

Mickysoft has just joined the Linux world now officially, and MS is dropping support for a lot of their older purchased software by force donating them to FOSS, who generally doesn't want them leaving them sitting untouched and unsupported as what they already have in FOSS land is just fine, thank you ....

Tongue  This "donation" is simply a MS cost avoidance dodge, to avoid the costs of long term upkeep during the remainder of the existing legal license periods.   MS has also just starting to use large chunks of Linux code as it is better than the Mickysoft stuff they just developed on their own.   When they do this, the MS softwares that are affected become FOSS softwares automatically.


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Ooooooo .... MS catches it up the shorts from Infoworld

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3050845/microsoft-windows/microsoft-embraces...

Microsoft has a long and storied history of getting to the party late, all the way from the apocryphal “640K ought to be enough for anybody” statement to completely ignoring the Internet to realizing the virtualization thing might be a big deal.

Microsoft is not really an innovator.      Tongue

In this case, Microsoft is very, very late to the game and isn't offering a competing product -- it's trying to accommodate (incorporate) the competition in an effort to save itself. We haven't seen that before, and it will be interesting to note how it all plays out.





..... if you believe Infoworld, MS is getting a bit shaky around the edges ..... all the vapor "promised soon" stuff evaporating on them is leaving gaping holes in the Walled Garden walls .....


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OF, don't worry about "feedback" , I don't understand 90 plus per cent of what you talk about but you saved me from voluntary and sneaky compulsory upgrades to Win 10. You got me Ad Block Plus, which has wiped out all unsolicited and unsought advertising. Yes I've got Chrome, but I don't use it, it's there if needed in the future. One of these days I might get a computer savvy person to install the Linux thingy.
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