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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #540 - 12/10/16 at 14:04:45
 
Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 12/10/16 at 11:47:58:

Aw Gee ......

My wife just buys me motorcycles.    What did she buy you ??



She bought me another HP windows machine. Windows 10 with Adobe Photoshop CS5 already fully installed. Right now I am transferring stuff from the old screwed up Vista machine (photos, manuscripts, etc. etc...) to the new machine while watching a Star Wars marathon.
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Reply #541 - 12/11/16 at 12:21:04
 

Programmers are beginning to respond to Mickey's offer of an emulator set up in Win10.   They ask a simple question -- if it was worth emulation effort wouldn't it already have a native Android app sitting in the Play Store already ???    Any worth doing have done this already.

They say it is always better to rewrite the software as a NATIVE app.  Emulators historically suck for performance and historically have made no money for their programmers.  

Micky is proposing the same (or more) level of work with no proven payback for the programmer.  He'd be much better off to put his app directly into the Google Play Store as a totally rewritten native Android app and tap into that HUGE market.

Google Play is slam full of apps for every purpose already, doing emulation on top of the bulk and slow of Win 10 isn't wanted or needed.

Microsoft is really just admitting they have TOTALLY LOST their programmer base and are now desperately trying to stay afloat by "borrowing" a software base from Android just so they can sell their OS's "software system" for yet another year or two.

And who is going to pay 2-3x more $$$ for some extra slowness running those Android apps -- and then put up with Mickysoft's ongoing nightly strangenesses to boot?


Clarification on Andromeda

The current Android code mass running on the newest touch screen Chromebooks that have just come out is indeed the Andromeda code mass -- but Google is sensing Chromebook is actually the stronger brand name right now and may stick with "Chromebook" for a while due to that reason alone.

And it would be stupid to do things to confuse Joe and Rita Sixpack during the Christmas buying season, Rita and Joe having just figured out what a Chromebook is ......

DON'T GO CONFUSING GOOD 'OL RITA AND JOE AT CHRISTMAS TIME ....   at least not until the new Andromeda code mass is rolled out completely out over that huge list of existing Chromebooks ......    

Chromebooks are showing some stronger user loyalty, and just the act of switching brand names around might be damaging to the current Chromebook momentum.  

Pixel is a better upper crust Google brand name for their better grade of stuff.   Nexus is another excellent brand name that means high value and state of the art innovative products, but simple plain old Chromebook does carry a brand image that Google may not want to ditch until later next year AFTER they get everything running totally right on all the new Andromeda Chromebooks.  

But Google is now discovering the Chromebook brand name really isn't a bad one, really, it actually has great customer recognition and quite a bit of strong user loyalty associated with it, especially with younger people who grew up with them.

Smiley     ..... and now with Andromeda hanging out there over their heads and with Intel hitting the road on them  'ol Mickysoft is jest having anxiety attack after panic attack, seeing "the end" a coming up the road within the next 5 years --- and FOSS and Linux and Android everybody else is jest a savoring those MS panic attacks like a glass of fine wine.


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Press Release

TrendForce Reports 2016 Chromebook Shipments Exceed Expectations with Annual Growth Projected Around 30~40%
Wednesday , 10 / 05 / 2016 [ Analysts: Anita Wang ]

"All Notebooks" shipments worldwide for 2016 are projected around 156 million units, down 5.1% from 2015, according to the latest report from the global market research firm TrendForce.

Chromebook shipments, however, has been expanding against the general trend of decline and are projected to achieve an impressive annual growth of 30~40%, totaling over 10 million units.

“Price has been a major factor behind the stronger-than-expected growth of Chromebook shipments this year,” said TrendForce notebook analyst Anita Wang. “The notebook market remained in a slump through the first half of 2016. Struggling sales of higher-end models compelled branded notebook vendors to promote the lower-priced Chromebook products to gain market shares during the period. Another important factor is Microsoft’s attempt to raise license fees for Windows. This encouraged notebook vendors to shift some their sales focus to Chromebooks, which feature a royalty-free operating system.”

Wang also pointed out that the Chromebook market has attracted a much larger group of device vendors beyond the major players in the traditional PC industry. “As Chromebooks gain tractions with consumers, even appliance makers such as China’s Haier and Hisense are entering the market,” noted Wang. “New entrants with their versions of Chromebook products further contribute to the overall shipment increase.”



Read more at http://press.trendforce.com/press/20161005-2641.html#gYMKmPQXv7xqPEv6.99


This tracks pretty well, the whole pie loses 5.1% on the total market pie size due to phones, etc.   Apple loses another considerable chunk of that smaller total pie size and Chromebooks pick up "an impressive annual growth of 30~40%" for the 4th year in a row.      

And MS refuses to say what they lost in unit volume, but mathematically it has to be considerable.  
(MS is ~ 51% ~ of the total pie at this moment)     Wink


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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #542 - 12/13/16 at 20:10:46
 

https://liliputing.com/2016/12/amd-unveils-ryzen-its-next-gen-octa-core-cpu.html


AMD shows off ZEN 8 core for PC/Laptop uses, this first one is Ryzen (risen, get it?)



Demonstrating the the AMD Zen chip at an event today, AMD showed how the new chip compares with Intel’s 3.2 GHz Core i7-6900K processor.  In an industry standard image rendering test, Ryzen was able to match and beat the Intel chip’s performance…. at a price that is starting out at 25% less than Intel's current pricing.

One of AMD’s goals for the new chip was to deliver 40 percent better performance per clock, and the company says it’s met or exceeded that goal.    On a video transcoding test using Handbrake, the Ryzen chip actually finished about 6 seconds faster (or about a 10 percent improvement on the GPU side for gamers).

.... and AMD notes that Intel’s chip is a 14nm 140 watt processor, while the Ryzen chip is a physically smaller 10nm 95 watt processor… and Ryzen's overclock performance hasn’t even been fully optimized yet by AMD to match the current draw of the hotter running Intel chipset.  "If overclocked to matched Intel's 140 watts, Ryzen performance would be still greater" but the Ryzen chipset would always run cooler than Intel at every wattage point.

In a video transcoding test using Handbrake, the Ryzen chip actually finished about 6 seconds faster (or about 10 percent faster).

Now you begin to see why Intel is willing to spend the big bucks to be able to go from Nvidia based graphics over to AMD Radeon graphics ....   AMD now owns PC gaming on the "on board graphics" side of things.    And on the console box side of things, too.   And if Intel had not inked the Radeon Graphics deal they would have been left in the dust on PC Gaming as well.

Lately we note both Intel and Microsoft having to buy into or join up with their historical competitors simply to gain access to state of the art technology that they have not been able to build for themselves.

Roll Eyes     .... Remember, being "me too" isn't where you want to be in 2018 and beyond.    At that point AMD will be volume shipping 7nm chipsets built by Global Foundries or TSMC ....

.... and Intel may have finally made it to 10nm by then.
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TSMC just broke ground on their brand new 5nm/3nm EUV foundry site ....   this ground breaking is being treated as really big news over in in the Orient as they say Intel has left the playing field for real and they are "victorious" as of today's ground breaking.

Intel is indeed marching straight towards irrelevance by year 2020.   Year 2017 Microsoft goes ARM, in  year 2018 7nm EUV production breaks out (and the sub 2 volt chipset becomes real), 2019 or earlier Apple goes with their ARM A-x series on all product lines.

And in 2021 the new TSMC plant opens production at 5nm EUV -- something that has already been pilot run and is actually feasible using the TSMC EUV process.    

Only TSMC will have made the investment needed to own the 5nm and 3nm EUV markets, so ipso facto -- they are victorious as of today.


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Samsung is going to spin off its Foundry into a separate company next year and treat it as two separate companies.   The new foundry company will have to seek customers, make production dates and make enough profit off of what they build to buy the needed new technology year on year.

Likely Samsung will spin off its foundry function and then let it die a natural death because it cannot compete with TSMC and Global Foundries.   Sammy is buying lots of mid to lower end chipsets from Mediatek right now .....  concentrating on designing a world beating premium phone is all that Sammy needs to be doing for the next little bit.



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Significant Firsts for this year


First commercial small drone deliveries flew this week.

Uber has a first shipment of driver less Volvo cars picking up real passengers in California this week.

First crop of driverless 18 wheelers from Volvo are out on the nation's highways for real this week.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #543 - 12/30/16 at 19:45:37
 

A NEW WAVE OF WIN 10 BASED INCOMPATIBILITIES HIT UP THE OLDER COMPUTERS

Drop drawers and grab your ankles, boys ..... your old equipment and your alternative OS products are getting ready to hit a rough patch again because "the various restrictive MS OS requirements" are just starting to become real with the nightly push of "improvements" .... and this will complete the load out and will be completely real in 5 more days.

I am typing this on a MS machine at work because my machines at home can't seem to get the SS site to open --- can't reach it, actually.

This has happened before when MS put some new "compatibility standards" in play that intentionally screwed up older machinery and any FOSS products up on purpose.  

It may last a month or so before it gets fixed by a Torvalds Linux kernel release.    I may be scarce for a while, accordingly.  

Or else posting off a phone, which is jest a pain in the butt.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #544 - 01/01/17 at 09:34:51
 

Or, since the Linux boys saw it coming six months out --- a second kernel patch has already been applied just this morning by Torvalds and his crew ..... and my Mint Mate 18.1 is shining brightly again.    

Note please that the current illnesses in the Windows world still remain unpatched.

Linux never breaks itself or fouls up its operating environment like good 'ol MickySoft does somewhat repeatedly and regularly like MS does  ----  well at least several times a year, anyway.   And Linux does recover from getting all Mickied up much more quickly than MS itself does when it happens.

Microsoft has consistently caught so much bad press about their fricked up automatic nightly updates they are saying they are going to STOP doing them sometimes this spring.  

This would actually make their OS more stable and more reliable.   But it would require a software QA function to police it and MS fired all of theirs over a year ago.

This "wait to have MS fix the Windows environment" move now is seen as a justifying precursor for the "pay a small monthly fee for Windows 365 updates and ongoing timely protection" but it seemingly requires MS to fix a couple of sets of their own self-inflicted disasters very publicly --- they have to do this at least once or twice more while yakking about it loudly before the Windows 365 program can crank itself up successfully against a "real perceived need".
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #545 - 01/01/17 at 19:02:49
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/01/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-chip-details-leaked.html

The 2017 Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas is getting ready to go this week.    

Something to watch is Microsoft and Qualcomm both saying this one is a laptop capable chipset (because it is).    

Listen to them talking about "2 day laptop battery life" too.



Half the physical size of the 2014 chipsets, it actually pulls about 50% of the power draw and runs up to 45% faster at MUCH better graphics resolution and speed compared to the 2014 Snapdragon chipsets.    AND IT DOES NOT OVERHEAT AND CHOKE ITSELF DOWN TO  HALF SPEED LIKE THOSE OLD SNAPDRAGON 801-805-808-810 CHIPSETS SO LOVED TO DO.

(yep, Qualcomm has tweeked the stock A73 a little bit to make up their custom Kyro cores).  

The only real competition out there for this one has is the Kirin 970 chipset in it which is a box stock ARM A73/A53 6-8 core design run at 16nm.

And when Apple finally unveils their laptop ARM chipset, it will also be based off a customized A73 core design with very similar capabilities but run down at 10nm.

So yes, when MS promises the full Win 10 (equal to the main PC release) can run on an ARM chipset these are the ones they have planned to run it on.  

And this also explains why Intel simply discontinued two entire family levels of their dual core lower end x86 chipsets so abruptly several months ago  --- they weren't complete SOCs at all and they didn't have good on board graphics and on board wifi and cell tower radio capability --- but they ACTUALLY COST MORE TO BUY THAN THESE ARM FULL SPECTRUM SOC CHIPSETS are gong to cost by year's end.

Intel looks to immediately lose most of the low end laptop space to these sorts of ARM chipsets whether they run Chrome OS or Windows 10 -- the low end laptop space will have no  "Intel Inside" it ever again.  

No phones as of last year, now no low end laptops.   No Intel, shortly as AMD has taken over console game boxes and is hitting up on laptops and desktops again.   Where is the slot for Intel ???? when Qualcomm just went after data farm servers again with a lower cost higher performance current gen 16 core ARM chipset ......


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new info just out .......

First Benchmark Tests on Qualcomm 835 VS the Kirin 960 show the Qualcomm chipset is getting enough advantage off of the 10nm vs 16/12nm TSMC lithography stages to keep the Qualcomm chipset the clear winner in the ongoing performance battles between Qualcomm, Mediatek and Huawei/Kirin.

It also explains why the Kirin is now going to step directly down to 10nm lithography ASAP, pretty much skipping over the 12nm half step that was currently planned just a month ago.

Samsung is actually the foundry that is making the Qualcomm 10nm chipset, so they will likely use it themselves in their premium phone offerings.    

Because of lower costs of production TSMC actually makes the Huawei Kirin 960 and the various decacore Meditek offerings.    Look to see all of the foundry guys leaping down to 7nm just as fast as they possibly can (it uses the same equipment that 10nm uses).
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #546 - 01/03/17 at 15:13:48
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/01/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-chips-coming-first-half-2
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Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 chips are coming in the first half of 2017




Yup, runs a NEW Win 10 software and can have laptop battery life of OVER 2 days ......

Now, that is IF MickeySoft can pull their thumb from out of their nose and actually write a successfully implemented Windows 10 that covers the chipset they say that they wanted .....    

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Damme, you mean somebody actually made the ARM super chip that we demanded .....  and what are we supposed to go do now ????

.... now we gotta go write the software ??????


Microsoft, like Intel, has never ever successfully done anything right the first time with an ARM chipset.   Nor on the second try either ......
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #547 - 01/03/17 at 19:28:31
 
https://liliputing.com/2017/01/mirabook-another-dock-turns-smartphones-pcs.html




While you wait for your $1000+ MickySoft ARM based WIN10 laptop to become real, take a look at this cute little trick ......  

ANY decent phone from the last few years can do this trick right now, using USB-C connectors or a HDMI adapter cable for the older USB form phone connections.

Requires Android 7.1.1 or higher to operate and it isn't particularly cheap at the moment -- although before very long the copycats from the orient WILL become quite inexpensive.

The company is planning a no-cable Bluetooth 5.0 version to come out later this year.   Your phone stays safe in your pocket and if they steal the laptop shell, no big deal.   Your data is always safe in any case.
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Reply #548 - 01/07/17 at 13:25:45
 

Unfrick'nbelievable !!!    
..... please remember, this is a full computer on a chip, complete with all functions inside this little square.



First Antutu benchmark tests are beginning to come in, and they are DRASTICALLY BETTER THAN EXPECTED.  

Qualcomm said 40% better -- nope, try 50-60% better.    This laps a lot of the low end "Intel Inside" stuff, btw.

This chip outperforms any other mobile chipset and more than a few of Intel's laptop chipsets while being less than half the size and drawing half the power of any of the current compared against devices.

And that is when it is untuned and untweeked -- posted tweek results from Xiaomi are nearly doubled and are being instantly dissed as "faked up" or "fudged" accordingly.  

An updated & renovated Antutu test is coming out very shortly to remove any possible cheating concerns.

However, folks are saying that when you apply a desktop class cooling system to the chipset, the Xiaomi test results might just be for real if it is used in a static desktop device that has a chip cooling system, even one as simple as a heat sink and fan ....

https://www.nextpowerup.com/news/32922/xiaomi-mi-6-powered-by-snapdragon-835-...



People are getting excited about the AGE of the Snapdragon 835 and the wave of small light powerful devices it may wind up powering.

We can certainly see the Kirin 960 is being downsized and up-powered immediately (to 7-10nm ASAP) becoming the Kirin 980 just as soon as TSMC can make something up for samples.   This is needed absolutely ASAP as the new up-powered Kirin 960 got badly upstaged, crushed, demolished by the Xiaomi 835 equipped Mi-6 in current generation Antutu testing.  

Huawei simply isn't going to take being crushed lying down .....  Look for the Kirin 970 to ship later this spring with some interim A-73 improvements at 10-12nm as it shrinks all the way down to 7nm by this fall.

Ditto for Apple, the Snapdragon 835 just ate the soon to be released Apple A10 chipset alive and spit out all the bony pieces.   Apple will wind up having a slack, sorry arsed first part of year this year in 2017 since it takes Apple most of a whole year to make enough chipsets to do an introduction wave on phones.     Or else they will have to react, and have to cut the current generation off early by moving the A-11 up a year and wind up using the current A10 warehouse stocks somewhere else (in tablets or a low end laptop ???).   It isn't a bad chip, but the wave caught up with it and passed it ....

Samsung is building the Qualcomm 835 so expect no reaction from Sammy, other than to use the 835 chip at first instead of trying to compete against it.  

Also look to see all the rest of the crew come out with a up-speeded 7-10nm quad core A73 of some sort, as four Cortex A73s at 7-10nm draws so much less power than before that the use of the matching "littles" seem scarcely needed for any tablet, laptop, desktop or other non-handheld-phone usages.    

Phones yes, you still get some significant big little battery life benefits with phones .....  but if you use the aluminum chassis as a large aluminum heat sink, then by golly you HAVE a heat sink and can tune the system speed accordingly.  

Expect all the powerful chipset phones to do this even more than they do now.

If you have a design license, you can replace the on-die area currently used to support various sensors, gyros, etc (and the four littles) with 2-4 more A73s and use the same die footprint and motherboard designs for a desktop only item.   This way you can get to market faster with a more powerful "dedicated to the desktop" chipset.

Shocked     ..... can you say Chromebook?   Sammy can, and did ..... showed off a pair of new ones at CES


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Watch out that you don't go get yourself Qualcommed by your own actions in overclocking a 835 product and making a toasted turd out of your product when it thermal fails on you due to completely natural production run variations.

Notice that this IS apparently a danger as Qualcomm has come out of the gate VERY STRONGLY UNDERSTATING this Snapdragon 835's performance by a whole lot, and they did this very much on purpose for some known reasons.

Apparently there is a large range of "thermal performance" in this smaller lithography chipset's first production runs.   IT IS BRAND NEW TURF after all and is full of unknown dangers at this point in time.

Overclocking a brand new phone chip is likely suicidal, you oriental phone guys know this, right?   What makes you think the on board radio or the GPS can withstand the voltages and heat?  They are NOT "germanium laced" chipset components after all .....

"Germanium laced" might indeed wind up being overclockable on the main CPU section, but let them end user hobby guys assume all those "toasted chicklet" risks.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #549 - 01/09/17 at 21:46:56
 


You have seen phones come out with 8 gigabytes of systems memory this past year.   This is what 8 gigs of phone systems memory currently looks like in a single 8 gig chip -- it is still fairly large but also one that is currently up for a 2x lithography die shrink soon.

The newer, much faster 3-D Xpoint (Optane) style of memory is stacked memory, and is 1/3 to 1/2 this same size when run at the same old lithography level -- and it can go up to 32 gigs of systems memory in that lesser but thicker stacked space.   It too is up for a die shrink.

Cost is still high at the moment but 16-32-64 gigs of 3-D Xpoint will eventually cost what this 8 gig chipset does now ....   and given a year or two it will get yet half again smaller as 5nm memory lithography is now considered both real and "very possible" in year 2019-20 as production level lithography.    

Remember, they always downsize memory chips first as it is considered "easier to do" than downsizing CPUs and GPUs.  

They use memory production to shake the bugs out of new lithography equipment as they can run it and run it and run it -- the production chips will always sell no matter how much of the individual chip tests bad and gets lasered off in the sorting process.   The truncated 64s become 32s and the truncated 32s become 16s.   They are all physically the same die size and ball-grid array anyway.  Then when the Foundrys get good at it, then the massive flood of fully populated memory chips become CHEAP and everybody uses them for everything.


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Samsung is now rumored to be working on their "the one after next", the Galaxy 9 phone which is rumored to have the ability to light a big screen through USB C and/or by using Bluetooth 5.0 casting from your pocket.   Android 7.1.1 currently supports this sort activity, but it is not 'systems default' the way it will be with 2018's Android 8.0 version.   This gives Samsung a 1 year window to put the feature into their new phones as a "Samsung Deluxe" feature and steal a march on Apple as well by doing so.

This is what it will look like, care of the new Sammy Chromebook that was just released at CES wearing the new "Deluxe" SammyChromeAndroid mash up which is showing 3 independently running Android softwares in separately siz8ed and placed windows.



(yep, Oreo is the proposed name they got on tap for Android 8.0)

If Sammy fails to pull this same sort of software together in time for this summer's Galaxy 8 release, then it may be coming as this year's Galaxy Note phone which will launch later in the fall.  Or, as predicted, in the Galaxy 9 next year.

  Some of the Andromeda code mass that is out now in Chromebooks is a part of this "phone as PC" effort, as will the new Qualcomm 835 generation of super chips.   Both the CPU and VR level GPU power, the Android/Andromeda code and the faster smaller systems memory are all coming together in a perfect storm effect for later this year.

This phone as PC thing may simply be "casting your phone screen to your monitor" by the time it becomes a widespread phone feature, as by then the standard phone will be a full powered VR capable device and the Phone/PC stuff will really be a minor feature that they all can do naturally.   All 7.1.2 and later Android phones going forward support video out, keyboard and mouse on USB-C and BlueTooth 5.0 supposedly.  

So cast your Android phone screen to your big screen or to your goggles, same same same 'ol stuff.   Yawn.   It will still take away from laptop and desktop sales, as you phone will be able to do that duty too.

Look to see further erosion of the bottom end of Intel's current line of chipsets in the next year, with Intel abruptly dropping production on anything that is about to get upstaged by ARM chipmakers (just in time for the Intel warehouse stocks to be sold off for cheap right before the existing stocks goes useless & obsolete).


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Apple major stockholders consider Apple to be in trouble and have JUST DISCIPLINED Apple's upper level managers for poor planning and lack of performance / execution --  for example, Tim Cook's bonuses just got cut for this year because Apple is losing a chunk of their Mac PC market share due to NO NEW INTEL SUPER CHIPSET sitting ready in the wings AND the fact that the A10 chipset for iPhones and tablets isn't clearly superior to the existing Android ARM chipsets any more. leaving the iPhone in some danger of losing market share as well.  

So Tim Cook's job is on the line now, and he HAS to rally the troops ASAP to regain Apple's tech lead again.

APPLE ALWAYS HAS TO STAY A YEAR AHEAD OF THE PACK to justify their very high profit margins, and they have lost most of that 1 year advantage as of right now.  

Right now Apple is losing sales to deluxe Windows 10 Surface units on the top end and to the upswell in deluxe Chromebooks on the low end of things.    Mac has shown no real "excellence" in the last 3 years running and folks see better stuff out there from other vendors on both the top and bottom market ends.    Tim Cook's Apple has got to learn how to make BIG progressive innovations again, ASAP.

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MickeySoft has a problem -- they are NOT NEARLY READY with their ARM port of Windows 10.   Just getting started on it, actually.    Look to see the Chromebook invasion continue all this Spring, Summer and Fall.  Apple is cranking up the heat as well as is Samsung, with BOTH of them trying to get an edge over each other and the industry by getting there first by running well on the new generation of ARM superchips.  

The Andromeda code mass is written and is being rolled out over all existing Chromebooks as we speak.   Google isn't sitting on their hands either, the Android phone PC is getting closer by the month.  

VR progress at Google Android is also driving the use of more systems memory, MUCH better graphics and faster MUCH more capable A73 based SOCs using the ARM Mitgard G71 VR graphics system.   VR is going to do more to make phones into PCs much more quickly than any threat from MickySoft's trying to put Win 10 on to ARM processors.

MickeySoft is sorta the fat slow kid in this 2017-18 ARM foot race, FAT and SLOW is what you don't want to be right now.    Both Mickey and Apple actually depended on Intel -- and Intel suddenly leaving the playing field has left both of them with their drawers pulled down around their knees.
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Reply #550 - 01/10/17 at 16:09:50
 

The waves of ARM based change they keep on coming ......

.... wow, that was unexpected ....
 
.... yeah, we will just hold on at 14nm for a few more years, heck, we're good for a while yet ....

You pick the company name and make up the caption to suit yourself  --  just know that change, she keeps on a coming ..... and staying frozen technologically has a very certain, very deadly future cost.


This one is a ranking of the wafer capacity at the various foundries world wide .....    Look to see TSMC switch places with Samsung in next year's roll up unless Samsung's spun off foundry arm does unexpectedly well, that is.    You can see graphically where Intel is right now, size-wise.  Yep, just 2 slots up from Texas Instruments and sliding fast .....



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Reply #551 - 01/13/17 at 19:32:45
 

Samsung projects increased "good volume" sales in 2017,  TSMC projects flat sales to a 3% decline in 2017.

Samsung is making two of the 10nm "power chips" that are already shipping at 10nm, while TSMC has both of its 10mn production lines locked up in producing Apple A10 chipsets.  7nm is planned for all future lines, no more 10nm lines go in at ether company.

Samsung is not having yield issues with their process, TSMC is rumored to have some yield issues at final test (Apple has very stringent requirements and TSMC has no pathway to use a sub-standard chipset).    Apple will sequester bad phone chipsets and use them in tablets if say the gyro component is sub-grade (some tablets don't use gyro functions).

Both Samsung and Qualcomm do have open and honest downgrade pathways that can take a substandard chip and sell it "spec'd correctly" for what it can really really do.

Right now nobody wants a 20nm chipset, nor a 16nm chipset, and 14nm isn't super popular beyond the mid grade phones.   12nm has been "renamed" 10nm by TSMC, so the TSMC lying specs trick continues unabated.

Look to see your 7nm chipset have larger traces and smaller gates, which isn't a bad thing as the chips are more robust when built that way.

Voltage is what you should look for, as the out of date stuff will be using 20nm radios, GPS, gyros, etc. etc. and will still be at 5 volts at the battery.

Only buy chipsets containing A73 big and A53 little cores produced at 10nm using a 4 volt or LESS battery, or else you are getting shilled a wee bit and may be actually buying year before last's tech.
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OF, just to stuff the thread, or whatever, I refer to your posts of December 30th and Jan 1st about Mickeysoft stuffing older computers. I'm still staggering along on Win7 without significant issues for a 67 year old illiterate down here in godzone. I can do most things I do with a PC at a reasonably quick, by my standards, pace. I did note a few, configuring your computer, thingys for a while. They seem to have ceased and desisted of late.
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Reply #553 - 01/14/17 at 14:12:58
 

http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-plans-lay-2850-more-employees-end-jul...

MickeySoft has some issues at the moment.    They have finished up Win 10 (sorta) but consumers are not flocking to buy large amounts of new Wintel products and both sides of the Wintel alliance are suffering new bouts of shrinkage accordingly.   Chromebooks are still positive, and MS is selling top end Surface machines somewhat better, but the rest of PC land is flat to negative.   Apple is negative on their PC side as well.

This 2,850 shrinkage is just the latest round of job cuts at Microsoft that have been going on for the past two years. It began in mid-2014 when the company announced plans to cut 18,000 of its workers by the end of June 2015. In July 2015, Microsoft revealed another set of job cuts, affecting 7,800 more of its employees. In October, Microsoft confirmed it had made more reductions in its workforce, which were rumored to have affected 1,000 more team members. With May's announcement and today's filing with the SEC, Microsoft has confirmed plans to lay off 4,700 more workers.

Part of this is letting go of all the contract programmers it took to rewrite Win 10 so many many times in that last final rewrite year.

Part of this is an effect of the shrinking PC / Laptop industry total market pie, in general PC / Laptop has shrunk 5-6% per year for the last 8 years running.   This is due to phones and tablets taking over with functionality they never had before.

MS aggravates this market shrinkage by killing off its old OS versions by screwing up the OS vs the old hardware by their midnight installed "approved drivers only"  (non-functional for the existing old hardware new MS drivers again, of course).    We just went through a bout of this this past couple of weeks.

Some of this is growth & obsolescence, with the new phone based hardware world making a lot of old software/hardware systems completely obsolete and costing the support personnel at MS their jobs when this becomes apparent to management.   For example, see Adobe Flash finish its trip on down the river inside of the next calendar year.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/18/intel-layoffs/

Intel has its own troubles to deal with.   Wearables isn't working out for Intel and that leaves Automotive as the last announced "where do we go now?" for Intel.   Internally, Intel has put together a wearables exit layoff strategy and is busy selling off the chunks that can be sold as we speak.   Intel's payroll will shrink with each sale of the acquired Wearables companies, and then the residual wearables people will be cropped in a single set of layoffs.

Intel is showing some interest in PC again, but having left the market place in Consumer Electronics for over six months --- now Intel is trying to come back into any sort of front runner position ???

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This return/recovery will be very hard as Intel forfeited a lot business partner confidence by leaving their partners sitting out in the cold and wet just recently.   Plus, the partners have been actively working on the replacement ARM chipset conversions for the last 4 months, with new product designs getting ready for production as we speak ....

Going back to a more expensive Intel chipset will be neigh on to impossible when your competitors are all shipping naturally less expensive ARM based systems.

Intel has already made the first 3 miles of the canoe trip downstream towards irrelevance, and paddling 4 miles back upstream into Consumer Electronics leadership will be Very Hard to do as Intel is currently 2 full lithography generations behind the leaders and a reversal in direction now means first Intel must first be chipping off all those layers of residual ill will and techno-inertia build up.

What do you mean, "You can't see the light" ????    We are the world's foremost lighthouse company, what utter nonsense.   It is the same light as it has ever been.  "We can't see the light" indeed !!!!



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TSMC announces USA manufacturing plant plans (to make President Trump all happy).   Samsung and various other Apple suppliers are to do likewise.   They trust that Trump's import duty threat is indeed a credible threat.   Ford and Toyota also agree it is a credible threat and are moving some car production back to the USA accordingly.

TSMC 7nm EUV production is planned for later this year, to include three Quad Core A-73 based superchips at first, then phasing on down to 5nm on the same equipment in 2018.    Apple production goes off first, followed by others as production lines become available.   Movement away from Silicon to Gallium progresses apace with these lithography downsizing moves.

ARM is now working on a brand new big core and a brand new little core, each aimed firmly at the 5nm EUV multi-gate-all-around type Gallium laced lithography which is coming in 2018-19.  

Once again, nothing more will be said on new Cortex designs by ARM until a customer actually releases a product built using those new ARM Cortex designs.  Look for a new much more powerful Bifrost G7x graphics system to come out at the same time, with much better graphics output and faster refresh speeds to make up a stronger VR world system  that will be living inside each PC strength phone.

Good VR looks to be the tech that will drive replacement phone purchases in 2018-19.

Look to see the first VR movies to be made in 2019-20.


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Reply #554 - 01/15/17 at 23:14:04
 

http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/10/14/a-potential-blow-to-intel-corporatio...

It's bad when the Fiscal Magazines begin to say what I have been saying about Intel.


A Potential Blow to Intel Corporation's Foundry Efforts

Yes, it does appear that Intel's 10-nanometer technology can potentially deliver slightly smaller chip areas than competing 10-nanometer technologies.

However, Intel has completely ignored, at least in its public messaging, the fact that BECAUSE OF THE TIMING its belated 10-nanometer technology will be going up against TSMC's 7-nanometer technology, not TSMC's 10-nanometer technology.

As luck would have it, TSMC recently disclosed a key piece of information about its 7-nanometer technology that essentially proves that Intel's lead in chip density is more or less a thing of the past.


Yes, the Financial folks agree that Intel has missed the boat on "foundry expertise" and that the phone world has lapped right on past Intel irretrievably by two full generations.

They also gently but firmly recommend that they are reversing their long term future forecasts for Intel in favor of TSMC for long term future growth.    TSMC has just broken ground for a new plant for 5nm and 3nm EUV production, and Intel is saying in essence when they crank those plants up Intel will just be settling in good at 10nm.

Intel isn't being open about its cash flow right now (and it may the lack funds to develop what they need fast enough) but Intel does seem to lack the technical ability to make sufficient progress technologically to keep up with TSMC in the next 5 year window.   Intel is being being crippled by its long term "We only use what we invent and patent" mentality, to its great determent.  

Soon, TSMC will own all the current "EUV production techniques for germanium plus lithography" patents .....

Apple backs TSMC, and Apple buys only a very few items from Intel now at all.   Very, very few items.

Trump's plans for import duties will help Intel sales some on a few low end items, but it cannot reverse the coming technology inequity which is going to happen no matter what Trump does politically.


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https://liliputing.com/2017/01/report-windows-10-update-will-bring-adaptive-shel
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TRY TRY TRY AGAIN DEPARTMENT .....

The new adaptive shell, also known as “Composable Shell” or “CSHELL” would be like a more advanced version, with a single shell that displays the appropriate environment for your device type, whether it be an Xbox, HoloLens, phone, tablet, or PC.

The new shell is expected to start appearing in upcoming builds of Windows 10, and could pave the way for the long-rumored Surface Phone, which may allow you to run desktop and mobile apps on the same device, depending on how you use it.


Looks like MS is gonna try try try again.   Literally, this is the third "promised release" of the Windows on a phone idea.  First two Windows Phone/PC implementations sorta died on the vine and got dropped by MS.   So far Windows requires a $350 HDMI cable box (shown in the picture) in addition to the $700 Win 10 phone to make the trick work.   This is on up in laptop pricing land, so obviously it will not move very many Phone/PC units.

Android is closing down on the same Phone/PC idea.  Google will just put it into the OS as a standard feature and let folks use it for whatever they want to.   Along with Bluetooth 5.0 cordless outputs too, so your phone can actually stay in your pocket.  

Android Phone/PC will cost a lot less to implement compared to MS.   Google sells a VR phone holder for your head for $79 and uses a standard USB-C to HDMI cable as the required monitor/keyboard/mouse hook up for the PC/Phone.   Or a aftermarket $49 docking station, if you really want 4 extra USB ports (hook up old mice and keyboards) and other fancy stuff depending on the docking station you buy.   The phones cost between $300 and $600.   Docking stations range from $25 to $150 (if you want larger speakers built into your rig so you can do your music and hear your movies better).  

Yep, you can use an older Android phone too, with 3 Chinese sellers for the connection hardware to laptop or monitor with the old phone doing rough duty in the VR phone holder headset.   Remember, old phones lack the pixel count and the processor/GPU speeds to make VR work very well.   This smells sorta low end kludgy, and I wouldn't try an old phone for that reason alone.

Me,  I'd wait for a new more powerful Android VR ready phone with all the needed guts built in.   All of these phones will be $650 top of the line phones when they first come out, then the feature set will go down the line to the midrange phones within a year or so.   Plus a primo phone gets dirt cheap on the used phone market in a year or so anyway.


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Android One phones

https://liliputing.com/2017/01/low-cost-android-one-phones-may-coming-america-re
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Starting selling in the USA late this summer,  intended to replace the old Nexus line up with a multi-vendor supplied "middle of the pack" priced effort on current production upper middle class phones with bone stock Android 7.1.1 installed & backed for 2 years of update / upgrade over the air directly from Google.   May be built by Indian vendors who are building them right now for India (they have their agreements in place and are in production right now).

Bet these phones will run on Google Fi too.   The Google Fi people have been crying out for new processor but less expensive Google Fi phones for the kiddies since they kicked off the family plan thing.   Parents didn't want to give a teenager a $600 expensive phone to go break repeatedly .....     Looks like the lower cost Fi phones may be finally coming ......    Likely will be a midrange Snapdragon or upper crust Mediatek processor based, since Mediatek has gotten a lot better and is somewhat more "upper class" lately.  

BTW, Samsung, Sony and LG are all using Mediatek SOCs for their middle to lower end products now, as Samsung has quit making those classes of chipsets completely as Mediatek has the better product at a lower price.   You can still buy the old lower end Snapdragons from Qualcomm, but they will cost you a good bit more than Mediatek charges for a better grade of SOC.   Admittedly, Qualcomm's radios are still better, but not by a killing amount and not enough to be a deal breaker in any case.

Wink     Mediatek and Kirin are the up and coming chipsets,  better cost and similar to same real world performance
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