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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #570 - 03/06/17 at 06:47:25
 

Next, let's try to capture Chromebooks, that invisible "other OS" category that MS hates so much they pay money to the survey the houses to keep it invisible and unnamed.

For example, the Linux guys say there are twice as many Chrome devices extant right now than Linux devices.   This means a vague 3-5% of the total size of computing market share -- but doubled ????   A 10% Chromebook market share number seems to resonate with other sources and 10% may be as good a shot as we can call right now until people begin to report these things more openly and honestly.

Now mentally stack the olive green line on top of the light green line and call it "Andromeda" or whatever else Google finally names their new code mass.    

Point being that MS isn't really #1 in any section of computing any more .... and sooner or later folks are going to recognize this fact and regroup how things get listed in lists like these.


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Reply #571 - 03/09/17 at 19:24:45
 
           
This is the second article written on MediaTek's leaking of ARM's 7nm secrets ahead of time, so this 12 core thing is gaining believably with very new story that is posted.


MediaTek is working on a 7nm, 12-core chip to go lapping on past Qualcomm



MediaTek’s  planned 12-core chips, meanwhile, will likely use three groups of four cores each.

4 ARM Cortex-A73 cores   Heavy grunt work, heavy duty processing
4 ARM Cortex-A53 cores   Moderate workloads
4 ARM Cortex-A35 cores   Light duty (minor constant on) stuff

MediaTek already holds license for these core designs, so putting them together along with their custom "intelligent workload balancing" controller chipset would be a very doable thing for MediaTek.  

WHAT WILL MALI GRAPHICS HAVE TO DO "NEAT AND NEW" TO FULLY SUPPORT GAMING ON THIS LEVEL OF CPU ???   THIS IS A SERIOUS SERIOUS QUESTION AT THIS POINT IN TIME .....   as is the improved VR support and the enlarged faster memory storage that will be required by Google's new phone PC thing as well.

Kicker is that the final chipset still will be a third smaller than current MediaTek chipsets are physically and will pull a third less energy to provide even yet better improved battery life.   Computing throughput Power will go up 30% (Intel i5 range) as well, plus since they are the newest A73 big cores the higher the new throughput level will not drop away as the chipset gets warmed up thermally.


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Remember, 7nm marks the current "end spot" developmentally for germanium laced materials and EUV lithography, but TSMC does have plans for a new 5nm proprietary process based on what they learned at 10nm and during 7nm "At Risk" Apple chip production (which is ongoing as we speak).    Apple intends to have some serious "advantage" both next year and for the following two years as well ......


Yo, Qualcomm and Samsung -- pay good attention this time round the barn to whatever TSMC is doing that is brand spanky new -- IBM and Apple are cooperating on 5nm at TSMC with Apple footing the R&D bills.  

TSMC and MediaTek are shooting for a real, concrete, serious leader position this time around the barn.    

Intel isn't even in the stadium any more at all at this stage of the game -- heck, they haven't even changed their buzzwords yet.


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https://liliputing.com/2017/03/google-releases-chrome-57-webassembly.html

Big Four Major Browsers agree on a new technology/methodology for Gaming on-line
(and all of them implement it at the same time, ie right now)




Cruxt seems to be that the brower's cloud servers run all the heavy lifting and your Chromebook or phone just sends the stuff to your buffered screen at 30-60 frames per second and your device takes all your commands and actions locally, so you see no gross lags anywhere while gaming.   That's the theory, anyway.

The whole scene won't change super fast, but the games should be designed to show the same scene for a bit without requiring huge amounts of perspective changes.

Gaming is moving over to the web, in other words.    VR ready phone hardware can also support 3-D gaming, apparently.   Dual user facing cameras will be able to track your eye movements and let you "look" your aiming crosshairs over to what you want to shoot and then you blink once to fire.  

Or you can tap on a screen or click a mouse -- you can still do that you know.    Roll Eyes


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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #572 - 03/18/17 at 19:43:59
 

Intel -- is still making money on legacy products, over-sized lithography radio items and various other non-current technologies.   The volumes that can be sold of these old tech items are hitting a voltage wall now as all the 10nm new stuff for this year will run at LESS THAN 5 VOLTS naturally ...... and Intel's old 14nm tech stuff requires 5 to 7 volts of battery power.   So Intel is currently supplying to a shrinking market segment .....

However, because Intel is actively cutting its workforce (and is doing more cuts ongoing) their paper profitability is still present and is strong at the current time.

Wall Street, however, (Motley Fool and others) have removed the BUY rating from Intel's stock until such time a clear feasible future pathway is identified and a clear plan laid out to go there.

Brown vapor "announcements" just aren't cutting it any more --- Intel has no real current future pathway to long term growth/profitability and Wall Street knows this.

10nm EUV produced AMD Ryzen SOCs are now for sale, COMPLETELY REAL and "right now" so Intel processor sales are hurting accordingly.  Intel has had to recently chop 25-30% off the asking price of their processors, preemptively, and the price reduced chips have to get discounted some more past that in order to move them.  

The fat Intel profit margins simply are not there any more for next year.

Future Consumer Electronics Reality is looking grim for Intel, in other words.   Things need to change ASAP or the handwriting is up on the wall for Intel.

And yes, Intel has just posted a bumper year for last year's overall profitability -- but Intel needs to find some fashion to do that again next year that isn't based on further cannibalizing their employees and their core business.

Ryzen, AMD and ARM in general is producing at a true 10nm lithography level right now at 30% lower pricing and AMD/ARM is slated to go to true 7nm later on this same year on these same EUV lines.    Free electron lasers are now seen as practical for 5nm production lithography uses so that plays against future chip production sizes and costs as well.

However, Intel is still stuck at 14nm and is holding there for most of 2017 before moving some of these lines to 10nm ......   This is not good because Intel will move to 10nm at the same time the others are shifting down from 10nm to 7nm.    With a clear well understood ARM hard plans for an AMD/ARM 5nm gate all around free electron laser etching process which will be maturing inside the next calendar year (that 2018-2019 production hard research is being $$$ driven right by Apple, of course).

Intel is falling two (2) full years and 2 full generations behind the pack now, this is not good, not good at all.    Intel needs to skip 10nm and skip 7nm and go buy a few of the brand new 5nm gate all around implementation free electron laser production lines and go directly down to 5nm ASAP in order to keep their business current for the longest period of time.

A firm concrete plan to do this would help Intel get its Wall Street BUY rating back again.


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Intel has brown vapor pooted/announced again -- all near future Intel processing throughput increases will come from using 3-D XPoint memory, not from building faster processors.   Same old processor lithography can be hand tuned along with the XPoint memory functions to speed up the "user experience" by 2-3x for the next 2 years or so (supposedly) .....

There are two things wrong with this.   3-D XPoint memory is a power hog right now, a constant large energy user.    Current generation needs not apply for use in mobile devices and battery driven laptops, in other words.

Next, once your data and your program are loaded (first 5-6 seconds) faster memory doesn't really help you very much.   Faster processor throughput speeds are what counts after everything is loaded from memory .....

Next, when everyone uses the 3-D memory type, it isn't an Intel advantage any more.   Will Intel make some extra money this year off of selling the stuff at an unreasonable premium ??? --- yes they will, but competitors are quickly releasing their own versions of 3-D memory at more realistic pricing, so that "unique Intel advantage" is going away for Intel very very quickly.

Next, a completely new style of "neural processing" is under development by IBM, Apple, Alphabet and others.   This AI type of learned response programming is aimed at Automotive and will make Intel stuff seem like steam engines sometimes within the next 5 years (assuming Skynet doesn't rise up and kill us all).

The only bet that is sure that is really sure enough each time .....   is that change, she comes.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #573 - 03/19/17 at 20:48:39
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/31540d1c-ff29-4e19-82cb-e5f321ed1903

More real computing news is coming from the world of FINANCE lately as the traditional computing magazine writers and press writers are being encouraged in various ways to toe "the Wintel corporate position" line.   Which means they got nothing to say lately.

This fact bit is just a factual burb thrown out to Bloomberg investors as just a part of the daily feed of investment grade data.    For Chromebooks to pick up 25% of the general US consumer market as measured in the last 8 months means somebody had to LOSE that much market share in the same period.

    Roll Eyes       ...... duh ......  best number I can back check / confirm in any sort of fashion is ~10%~ overall for Chromebooks (MS will not allow any real numbers to be directly known on this subject).   The fact we are hearing much larger numbers repeatedly from different Finance World type sources now is becoming interesting to me.

Yep, it is a video, ya gotta watch it .....          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/b/31540d1c-ff29-4e19-82cb-e5f321ed1903


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Jeffrey Meredith, the Lenovo company’s vice president and general manager of Android and Chrome computing, says new generations of Lenovo Chromebooks are coming soon. And while Google’s lightweight laptops have already taken over the education market, Meredith believes the consumer business side of Chromebook is about to flourish as well.

“Chrome, since its infancy, has been mainly education, mainly cost-driven, largely bought-on-bid kind of devices,” Meredith says. “What’s going to play over the next few months is, Chromebooks are going to move out of this education-almost-exclusive channel focus, into retail and into commercial.”

The push for consumer Chromebooks will partly be driven by hardware, with Lenovo planning two waves of new devices in March and September. It’ll also be boosted by Google’s introduction of Android apps to the Chrome operating system.

Samsung is also currently offering a new wave of more powerful and capable Chromebooks, ones that run off of the newest generation of more powerful ARM processors that directly support all the phone-like features which are the strengths of the Chromebook experience.  

ARM based Chromebooks are now being spec'd as Apple Macbook look alike devices (really nice looking things) to go head to head with both Macbooks and Microsoft Surface Pro machines in the consumer and business worlds.

At less than half the cost for the same feature sets  .....   supposedly  .....

Remember, MS Office will run on a Chromebook now-a-days, both off your company's intranet and as local loaded software using the Android PlayStore MS Office version.


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http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/17/14956540/microsoft-windows-10-ads-taskbar-f...

Microsoft is infesting Windows 10 with annoying ads

You older Windows guys have to tell me if this is so for your older versions -- this seems to be very current Win 10 complaints to me.

Is this MS's newest plan to get you to pay a yearly fee -- simply to get rid of all the ad-irritations ????

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #574 - 03/19/17 at 22:06:23
 
 
https://liliputing.com/2017/03/intel-launches-first-optane-ssd-3d-xpoint-memory-
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Intel launches its first Optane SSD with 3D XPoint memory at $1,520 price point for only 375GB of hard drive memory



Oh by the way, you can only use this on a totally modern brand new Intel processor equipped (special slot type required) motherboard using ONLY the very most modern Win 10 release AND YOU HAVE TO PAY A LICENSE FEE FOR THE REQUIRED DRIVER SOFTWARE.

.... Real Wintel fan boys to all be butt raped and pocket picked for much, huh Wintel ????      You should be nicer to your fanboys.

And do you think this thing sucks up a whole lot of wall socket power that gets turned into waste heat and that little room heater board absolutely has to run 24/7 "just to be there" for use as main systems and OS and program memory?
   

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Ya need to upgrade your power supply there, boys ????    
How about your house A/C system for summer time uses?    Roll Eyes     hey, in the winter time it can be touted as a "solid state no moving parts space heater".

Seriously, this first attempt at a product is said to be 1,000 times faster than flash memory -- this "real" claimed number is far lower than the earlier claims of 2-3,000 times faster, likely because the Intel fanboy folks will begin testing and posting on the real shipped product just as soon as they can manage to pull it out of their aching main delivery tubes.

This generation of memory will become a BIG THING as soon as the price gets back down out of the stratosphere.
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Reply #575 - 03/20/17 at 01:17:52
 
I dunno about infestations, thanks to you I've got ADBLOCK PLUS and it seems to work. Still wish I knew what you talk about, still on Win 7.
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Reply #576 - 03/20/17 at 07:23:50
 

JC, it seems to be NEWER versions of "auto-update" Win 10 that are affected.   These folks get this stuff added to their machines at night whether they want it or not ......

This is a problem because it IS a problem for auto-update Win 10 users.   They are getting increasing numbers of permanent Ad Frames plunked down into the OS itself by MS -- ad frames that they cannot remove.   Microsoft apparently really needs the small change $$ that is generated by this little advertising activity I suspect.

But I guess it isn't really small change $$ when you multiply it out by EVERY Win 10 machine out there.

Issue is that the OS page won't refresh until the ads are done refreshing -- a slow background ad site means your whole OS experience gets that "slowed down to molasses feel" as the OS page won't go any faster than the slow ad goes.
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Reply #577 - 03/20/17 at 10:28:50
 
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Reply #578 - 03/20/17 at 11:05:29
 

Ah, Justin, I agree all those young fan boy fillies need to watch out sharp for Wintel sneaking up behind them right now -- you are NOT getting your money's worth out of the new Wintel products they are forcing on you.


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Oh my my, Wintel got him right through the right hand rear wallet pocket ....    That's gotta hurt a lot, with all them nasty hard sharp corners and all .....







Hey, for $1,520 doesn't a tube of KY come with that ???
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Reply #579 - 03/20/17 at 11:26:09
 
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Reply #580 - 03/21/17 at 09:15:20
 
     
BIG LITTLE GROWS UP    It ain't just for phones any more .....   the larger and more varying needs of Automotive and AI are ringing into ARM's basic design structure.

https://liliputing.com/2017/03/arm-dynamiq-tech-helps-multi-core-chips-balance-p
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As usual, MediaTek starts talking about their next 7nm lithography 12 core chipset and this forces ARM to announce the product technology that MediaTek is actually using to build it.    Remember, ARM never announces anything unless it is going into immediate production at a vendor as it simply isn't real yet.

This tech is kinda interesting.   You hear about ARM server boards going into production with multiple chipsets and you hear about MediaTek putting 12 different 7nm cores on the same piece of silicon and you just gotta wonder how they plan to keep it all straight, quick and productive.

This is how.   ANY mix and match combo of cores on a single piece of silicon and then ..... [mind you this is pure desktop and server stuff here] ... AND THEN any match-up of different, separate multi-core daughter board style pieces of silicon (with multiple cores each) on the every different daughter board.

Yes, this means you build a state of the art phone chip (complete with radio and I/O) and then you can combo it with any multiple/mixture of standard complementary adder chips into something that is much much more powerful.  

What is worse, is you can ADD things to the finished system year on year by modding either the phone chip or one of the adder chips or by mixing in a completely new adder chip with brand new different stuff on it.   You can also mix and match lithography levels inside a chip, or between chips seamlessly .......  (this is also quite revolutionary as it means some old cheaper tech can be used where speed simply isn't mission critical).

This is all quite revolutionary and it means that Intel just grew a whole world full of 10nm and 7nm ARM competitors for their x386 products in both Server Land, PC Land and in Automotive Land as well, starting out with a good fast phone SOC as the base core.   Or, a good tablet SOC.   Or, a good Chromebook SOC.  Start with the best thing that you got for the specific need and then build up on it .....    

See Intel weep ..... missed another ship leaving the dock completely, they did.  

Wall Street is back to demanding a new Intel CEO ASAP who they then want to put in some new upper management and Wall Street definitely wants a new clear direction out of Intel ASAP as nobody is saying "BUY" about Intel any more.   "HOLD" is the current recommendation.  "SELL" is going to be coming out soon if Intel doesn't/can't declare a real direction and a real competitive pathway for the future real real real soon.





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Three days later:    Intel brown vapors their old designs for Cannon Lake again, at 10nm, promising second half of 2017 as production ship zone.

This is the 4th time 10nm Cannon Lake has been promised to be "six months away .... really, you can trust us on this one."
 

Embarrassed         10nm Intel would be being shipped "just in time" for the others to be shipping their first 7nm products along with their throughput improved SECOND 10nm GENERATIONS .......
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Reply #581 - 03/22/17 at 18:51:45
 




First reports are in --- performance isn't close to what was promised.    DRAM is still very much needed for the operating system.    Next, the PCI-e video slot bus system itself isn't up to the task, the slot bus is indeed perhaps a major part of the throttling problems that are showing in lowered throughput.    

your old BIOS wasn't designed for these potential video buss speeds and throughputs, either.

A new motherboard / buss system is very much needed to get the maximum usage out of the new 3-D Xpoint memory systems.

Undecided

Putting this into an existing system (at $1,520 invested) is like putting a glittery diamond necklace on a plain old sow pig wallowing out in the mud pen.
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Reply #582 - 03/25/17 at 13:25:09
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/03/samsung-galaxy-s8-accessories-leaked-including-de
sktop-dock-wireless-charger-many-cases.html

Is Samsung is intentionally referring to their new Android Phone PC as "WinFuture" ????   I suspect they might get some feedback if they are using "Win" in any format in the name or description of their ARM products OR that perhaps a website called WinFuture is getting very very careless with displaying its webname.  

The round thing shown is the stock  USB 3.0 charging dock that permits the phone to talk to mouse and keyboard and screen.

   yep, that's is a little fan facing you ....

The DeX Station basically looks like a smartphone dock/stand. But it’s much more than a charging station or an accessory for connecting a phone to a PC.

There’s an HDMI port which allows you to output video to a 4K display at 30 frames per second. There’s also a 10/100 Ethernet jack, two USB 2.0 ports, an embedded cooling fan system to keep the phone from overheating, and a power supply.

It’s not entirely clear what Samsung’s desktop experience looks like yet, but as one of the first companies to offer Android phones with multi-window features, it’s likely that Samsung has figured out a way to make Android look at least a little bit like a desktop operating system when the Galaxy S8 is connected to an external display. Samsung isn’t the only company working to make Android phones into desktop-style devices either.


Will people accept the Android 8.0 OS as a full desktop experience, complete with the currently available Office for Android for those who just gotta have Office ????

There will be lacks and buggies and issues to be fixed, but we can thank the Jide pilot fish going forth from Google land and working out the main chunks of the interface and the most glaring lacks for the last 2 years ongoing -- allowing Google and Samsung to begin to POLISH the Phone PC idea up some more with this first real full production product.

And I was right, full PC functionality is just part of Android, nothing special at all.  Next year all the mid line phones will have it and the low end phones in the years following.    Rule of thumb will be if you have a VR ready phone, you likely have a PC ready phone as well .....

As the system takes on a finer and finer polish, (BlueTooth 5.2 and Android 8 are on the way) your phone may well be an "acceptable enough" PC for you going on out in the future.

Roll Eyes

..... and please also note the post directly above this.  You can buy TWO (2) of the overpriced Galaxy S8 "phone PCs" complete with a docking station for each one for what Intel wants just for that one (1) 3-D X point memory board for your old PC.      .....  Intel, get over yourselves, guys  .....
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Reply #583 - 03/26/17 at 14:17:57
 

http://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/94762-besang-incs-3d-super-nand-costs-just...

3-D Memory Wars

Yup, Intel & Micron have their 3-D XPoint memory pony sitting out in the starting gate,  Samsung and Qualcomm are each working on their separate ideas, but keeping mum about the details .....

..... and now here comes a Far Eastern/India upstart company named Besang with a gate all around idea that is 10 times faster, 10 times more energy efficient,  litho shrinks MUCH better -- has 10 times more memory density per chip and per wafer (more memory per chip) AND MOST KILLINGLY is 10 times cheaper to build per wafer on any given litho level.   .... 2 cents a gigabyte ....    so watch Besang get bought up ASAP by somebody just to shut them up or else maybe to use their technology competitively against Intel.

Look to see the Memory Wars heat up real real soon,   look to see folks license the Besang gate all around 3-D memory tech and run hard with it  .....

http://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/94762-besang-incs-3d-super-nand-costs-just...



PREDICTION TIME:

Gate all around tech at  5nm and  3nm lithography is coming real soon.   Besang has identified the high value technological driver that can speed this gate style "adoption" at reduced lithography levels along quite nicely.   A new electron laser production line can be bought for memory production, set up to do gate all around Besang style non-volitile memory, turned on and let run for year on year until completely paid for (5 to 10 times over no less) by the initial memory profits --- then you got yourself a freebie used 5nm or 3nm electron laser line to put to work doing something else useful.

Basic structure and definition of a PC system will shift drastically to optimize the use of large amounts of "pooled" fast non-volatile 3-D memory.    So will OS and app functions.

Existing retrofit solutions for Old Stuff may be better expressed as thicker double sided Ram modules, with a sizable chunk of 3-D new type memory that is fronted with some very very fast Dynamic Ram which is just acting as a throughput translation buffer to the old style memory bus.

Time to replace your old PC may arrive fairly soon due to this wave of memory innovation, but not until competition drives the price way way down out of the "sky high pricing level" where it resides today.

Besang is selling non-volatile production memory chipsets in planned sizes going all the way up to a TERABYTE per stacked chipset on the big end of their range.   This tech will upend and disrupt the main DRAM memory industry and SSD memory and jump drive memory and the platter hard drive industries all within the next 2 years.  

Watch Besang sell a whole lot of production lines and license a whole lot of their tech inside the next six months.   When this stuff moves into phones, the whole Phone PC idea will become very very real and quite practical.


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Having gotten a real Justin style   "I'm melting ...."  mop water bath over what they have released so far (as far as a VERY under performing very expensive ($1,520) full Optane hard drive goes) --- Intel recants and comes out with usage recommendations for a $44 to $77 SSD style Optane  buffer drive  which will go on top of a standard hard drive installation.    (if you have the slot that is .... and meet all the requirements listed below)



Starting April 24th, you’ll be able to buy a 16GB module for $44 or a 32GB module for $77.

Both are M.2 PCIe 3.0 drives that use the 3D Xpoint technology Intel developed together with Micron. And both offer read and write speeds that far surpass what you’d typically expect from NAND flash, although the 32GB drive is faster than the 16GB module.

Odds are that most computer users will want more than 32GB of storage, but throw these SSDs into a system that already has a large hard drive and you get some of the best of both worlds: plenty of speedy storage for currently running applications, and plenty of storage for media, documents, and other files.

Intel doesn’t officially support installing Windows to an Optane drive yet. Instead the idea is to use these drives as cache storage.   Intel Rapid Storage Technology will let your computer treat a hard drive and Optane drive as if they were a single drive… but use the faster drive for data caching purposes, which should speed up a lot of operations.

While you could also use an Optane SSD to boost performance of a NAND flash SSD, the difference won’t be as noticeable as when used with a hard drive, since SSDs already tend to be faster than HDDs.

Although performance will likely vary depending on a variety of conditions, Intel says its Optane memory could:

Cut the time it takes to boot a PC in half
Increase storage performance as much as 14x
Launch applications faster (for instance, Outlook is said to load up to 5.8x faster)
Find files on your PC up to 4x faster

Hoping to speed up an old PC with a new Optane drive? Then you’ll probably need to buy a new motherboard and processor to go with it.

In order to be Optane-ready, a computer needs an Intel Kaby Lake chip, windows 10 64-bit software, an M.2 2280 slot with two or four PCIe data lanes, and a BIOS that supports the Rapid Storage Technology 15.5 drive.

Intel has a list of compatible boards soon to be available.



Here's what's amusing ..... plug in a plain old standard fast SSD drive into that same slot and you get pretty close to these same benefit levels.  

Intel tends to speak with a brown vaporous forked tongue a whole lot lately, in a somewhat vain attempt to keep their stock price up as much as possible.

BUT WAIT A SECOND ..... when the new Optane motherboard and Optane bus and Optane slots and Optane BIOS rewrites and all of the new unified faster COMPLETE PC OPTANE MOTHERBOARD PACKAGE is finally out (and MS has to rewrite Win10 yet again) then Intel/Micron/Optane will do better.   Honest Injun, it will.


Tongue    So much so that Intel can mebbe possibly excuse their staying stuck at 14nm lithography for yet another year or so and supposedly still say they are kinda sorta a competitive product ....  


Roll Eyes      yeah, you betcha



Intel,  Besang is taking production orders for their already existing up and running lines RIGHT NOW ......  and they are licensing the tech directly to others and are even selling fully set up and tuned production lines, right now.

Roll Eyes

......  and yes, Intel, that is your brand new non-competitive 14nm stuff shown over on the left in the pic below.


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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/unhappy-windows-10-upgraders-take-mi
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Microsoft sued for millions over Windows 10 upgrade disasters

Yes, just remember all the Win 10 BS that took place over the last year and at least one instance of that is present in this full-on class action suit filed in Illinois.  

State by state, new class actions are being filed as we type these words.   What is setting them off is MS is now saying development of Win 10 "free" is over now, so all the promised fixes that served to kick the can on down the road are, as of now and forever, they are never coming.  

MS is in default on all their promised fixes as of now.    See MS being sued out of existence over their failed "free upgrade" marketing scheme.

Unhappy Windows 10 users in Illinois are taking Microsoft to court, claiming that problems caused by the Windows 10 upgrade show that it was negligently designed, that Microsoft fraudulently failed to disclose its defects, and that the upgrade is unfit for purpose.

In a break from tradition, Microsoft offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade to Windows 7 and 8.1 for the first year of its release. This unusual offer was matched with a set of increasingly aggressive promotions within Windows itself. In the early days of the upgrade offer, there were even some users reporting that it installed automatically.

Three plaintiffs claim specific harm was caused by the operating system. Stephanie Watson claims that Windows 10 installed without her choosing to accept it. The upgrade destroyed some data, caused such harm that Geek Squad was unable to fully repair the machine, and forced the purchase of a new system.The suit claims that "many" consumers have had their hard drives fail because of the Windows 10 installation, and that the operating system does not check "whether or not the hard drive can withstand the stress of the Windows 10 installation."

Robert Saiger agreed to the upgrade. However, this caused Saiger's existing software to cease functioning, and it also caused some data loss. Saiger incurred costs reconstructing and replacing the lost data. The suit claims that the Windows 10 upgrader does not bother to check for hardware or software compatibility prior to installation.

Howard Goldberg eventually accepted the upgrade after declining it for six months. The download and installation failed three times, with Goldberg claiming that this "damaged" his PC, causing data loss, loss of revenue, and incurring costs to repair the system.

Similar problems were apparently so endemic and widespread that they show Windows 10 breached its implied warranty of merchantability according to the suit. The suit claims that there should have been greater warnings that it may damage PCs or data and that it should have told consumers to make backups. It further alleges that Microsoft was negligent; that the company failed to "exercise reasonable care in designing, formulating, and manufacturing" the upgrade, and moreover that Microsoft knew Windows 10 to have "potentially harmful propensities."

Per the suit, there are hundreds or thousands of others who have suffered similar problems and incurred similar costs. It proposes a class of harmed users—Americans (that installed the Windows 10 upgrade on any computer equipped with Windows 7 "or earlier operating systems," though no earlier operating system offered the upgrade) who suffered loss of data or damage to software or hardware within 30 days of the installation.

The lawsuit says that Microsoft owes this small group of users more than $5 million in damages, both actual and punitive.
 

And that is just these relatively few folks filing suit in Illinois ......
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