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Reply #616 - 05/08/17 at 12:27:20
 

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/googles-fuchsia-smartphone-os-dumps-linu
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    ..... to hell with them flaming bullets, let's give them boys Phasers to shoot back with .....

MS has now DEFINITELY started a poot war with Google over Win S and the "Andromeda" brand name -- now posting that MS is busily coding their own "Andromeda Win S" over in India as we speak.  

Everyone is watery eyed and choking on these really dense brown curry fumes at the moment, as although MS may be working on an ARM based Win S product, having them calling it an "Andromeda" is very misplaced, unless Intel has indeed lifted the FOSS code mass complete and is using it and chunks of FOSS Android whole hog in their efforts to roll forward quicker.

MS could have done that you know, Amazon and Samsung did and have been successful at it.     It is permissible by the Apache License model, but if MS lifts any of the GPL licensed pure Linux code and charges money for the enjoined product, then they forfeit the whole Windows thing attached to it and suddenly Win S complete becomes fully FOSS by stealing some GPL code.   Only takes one lawsuit .....






So, Google has just released a new phone OS called Fuschia Armadillo and the first builds are being put into phones by enthusiasts as we speak.   It is not as bulky or as slow as Android, nor does it have all the legacy entanglements of like 9 generations of Android, nor does it have the simmering lawsuit history of Android (complete with the awkward Java workarounds).

Google, never one to compete in a market with a single OS product, is apparently hard at work on a third operating system after Android and Chrome OS. This one is an open source, real-time OS called "Fuchsia." The OS first popped up in August last year, but back then it was just a command line. Now the mysterious project has a crazy new UI we can look at, so let's dive in.

Unlike Android and Chrome OS, Fuchsia is not based on Linux—it uses a new, Google-developed microkernel called "Magenta." With Fuchsia, Google would not only be dumping the Linux kernel, but also the GPL: the OS is licensed under a mix of BSD 3 clause, MIT, and Apache 2.0. Dumping Linux might come as a bit of a shock, but the Android ecosystem seems to have no desire to keep up with upstream Linux releases. Even the Google Pixel is still stuck on Linux Kernel 3.18, which was first released at the end of 2014.

Google's documentation describes Magenta as targeting "modern phones and modern personal computers with fast processors, non-trivial amounts of RAM with arbitrary peripherals doing open-ended computation." Google hasn't made any public, official comments on why Fuchsia exists or what it is for, leaving us only to speculate. The "modern phone" shout out certainly sounds like something that could eventually compete with Android, but for now the OS is so early, it's hard to tell.

Fuchsia really seems like a project that asks "how would we design Android today, if we could start over?" It's a brand-new, Google-developed kernel running a brand-new, Google-developed SDK that uses a brand-new, Google-developed programming language and it's all geared to run Google's Material Design interface as quickly as possible.

Google gets to dump Linux and the GPL, it can dump Java and the problems it caused with Oracle, and Google can basically insulate itself from all of Android's upstream projects and bring all the development in-house.



If Google is going to compete head to head with MS and Apple over the new increased power ARM processor land going forward, then using a brand new non-messy OS code base from the get-go would be a smarter place to start.  

Plus, as we learn a bit more about AI and Tensor Flow and Quantum Computing (where Google is at the head of the pack) seeing this brand new clean quick executing code base makes sense in that direction as well.  

(Tensor and Quantum use something as the code base -- might this possibly be the Magenta kernel ???)

Neat and clean code with "faster execution" may be worth more in raw speed than the next little bitty very expensive move down in lithography size .......

This also falls in line with the sharper, cleaner "end of life" published times for the current Android items that have recently been put out by Google.


Trying to modify Android to make it a full laptop/desktop OS is messy and complicated and (dare we say it) a good bit slower than a fresh start would be.

Big Hint:   Fuschia's graphics programming isn't just compatible with AMD's open source Vulcan Gaming Standard
-----   it is Vulcan Graphics  -----
Vulcan all the way, pointy ears and all.   VR included.    See Qualcomm doing the same exact thing ..... Vulcan all the way !!!

Think you could game some on a Fuschia OS equipped device equipped with non-trival amounts of new style memory,  hmmmm ????


Wink   Live long and prosper,  y'all.


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Reply #617 - 05/08/17 at 19:09:08
 



Meet the chips that that the infamous new written in India  "MS Win S for ARM"  could eventually run upon, supposedly, once the evil brown vapor & curry poot smell fades from the room jest a little bit more ......

These are chipsets that would have kicked ass and taken names JUST LAST YEAR, but this year they are just middle tier chipsets with some actual real performance, graphics and modem improvements (compared to last year's near top of the line ass kicking stuff).

Modem has been updated to Qualcomm X12 (updated from X9)
Qualcomm Kryo 260 custom CPU cores (instead of ARM Cortex-A73/A53)
Qualcomm Adreno 512 graphics (updated from Adreno 510)

Yes, these are coming out of the gate just a little bit below the current Almost Champion SOCs, but by the time they reach you in a MS product the real Champs will be dethroned yet again by their replacements and these will be just good fast utility chips and the modernized ex-champs will be the Almost Champions.  

Practically speaking, the "coming soon 830 level" on this sort of chipset also will give you a pathway to move some "sub-par" 835 premium chipsets by downgrading them due to lacks on performance, graphics, etc.   It also gives you a way to quickly move any "overproduction" which takes place on runs of premium chipsets.

It also admits that large scale sorting is currently needed at the cutting edge of things .....




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Articles and posts are being written back and forth on School & Teacher web sites concerning  MS's latest chrome-killer wave for schools.

Public School level Chrome implementation leaders are simply saying to each other that MS stuff isn't there yet, THERE IS NO 3 LAYERS DEEP SOFTWARE/HARDWARE/REMOTE ADMINISTRATION STUFF THERE FOR THEM TO EVEN GO LOOK AT .....

Next, saying you are going to use current existing MS "Sys Admin methods" and/or "walk the changes around to all the machines by a USB stick" simply means you really will not even get CONSIDERED by a large school system.   They don't have an IT dept. and they don't walk daily/weekly changes around to the machines right now, ever.

Teachers are asking "Where are the teaching packages ???"   Quick answer, there aren't any yet because you teachers actually wrote your own Chromebook teaching plans and powerpoint type web-based lessons and presentations over the years and you passed them around FOSS style, and polished them all up neatly into real teaching packages with real repeated use.   Google just gave you the framework and distribution method, you guys did all the creation work.

Can't do that with Mickysoft, MS teaching softwares can only be made by MS (or MS approved sources) and can only be sold in the MS Store.   Else-wise the apps will not install on a Chromekiller.  

If you can put your own teaching stuff up as a web page, it is still useful though.   Most of the good ones are done that way now-a-days.

MS is just making some PR noises in other words, no real substance is there at all yet.   Not a lot of detailed thought was put into it either.   Qualcomm has already met their end of the deal, the Chromekiller ARM SOCs are now sitting there waiting on MS right now.
Hey Micky ...... ya need to feed that bunch of MS programmers in India some meaner, hotter, spicier curry to increase their production speed some more.

Roll Eyes

The poot war with Google is just that -- and it served to crank Google up some and that is it as far as anything really useful coming from it goes.   Current School Chromebook people are saying to each other that this is really a RETAIL BASED MS PR effort really, not a public school based Education effort at all.

But it does show that perhaps MS finally gets it that their bloated Windows Office world is simply too obese for words and it needs to be slimmed down dramatically if it is to be competitive in schools or at general retail.

And now the Education World is now flat out asking itself is teaching MS Office really "a be all and end all" for our students ???   The kids don't care what they use, they use it all indiscriminately and actually write their papers on web based softwares more often than not .....    

College level education generally used to require the use of MS products like Word, but this was never consistent before the freshman college level English Courses.   Colleges are busy changing this nebulous requirement as the "Office/Word requirement" is under attack inside the Faculty World itself as  "un-modern"  brand discriminatory and anti-FOSS, with the FOSS thing being a big buzzword thing in liberal university circles right now.   Plus,  the current modern MLA format does not require MS Word formatting tricks at the level it used to.  

Really, them older tenured profs were just being a bit lazy and not wanting to deal with anything different or new.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #618 - 05/09/17 at 14:23:50
 

Ouch, this site just got updated according to the current Mickysoft advertising "misinformation".


http://chromebookvswindows.com/


And yes, lying to teachers isn't smart, it offends them greatly.  

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They react, they do, in print no less.


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Early verification  ------  you cannot load Firefox or Chrome browsers on Win 10 S  .....  you also cannot load a Linux version, unless it comes from the MS and you pay MS for that privilege, even if you did that then it cannot load any free FOSS softwares as they are NOT IN THE MS STORE.

Now, will any FOSS browser or FOSS extension or FOSS office type software take the effort and pay the cost to be listed as "approved" MS Store softwares ???   I think not .....


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Nvidia launches a "tentative" Tensor Flow competitor for Google to munch on ....   Much Larger Processor inside it, throughput increase not  yet determined .....



Nvidia says it’s redesigned Volta’s streaming microprocessor architecture to be 50 percent more efficient than Pascal’s, which is darned impressive if it proves true. That enables “major boosts in FP32 and FP64 performance in the same power envelope,” Nvidia says. The Tesla V100 also includes new “tensor cores” built specifically for deep learning, providing 12 times the teraflops throughput of the Pascal-based Tesla P100, Huang said. (Google’s also invested in tensor processing hardware.)

This shows "program execution" GPU tech morphing over into Tensor tech .... blurring the lines between them.


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https://liliputing.com/2017/05/windows-10-arm-less-locked-windows-10-s-supports-
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Microsoft now has two new ARM versions of Windows 10 on the way.

Windows 10 S for Education is a streamlined version of Windows that will only run software downloaded from the Windows Store in order to improve security, performance, and the software update process. Designed with the education market in mind, it will also be available for mainstream users, and Windows 10 S is the operating system that will ship on the upcoming Surface Laptop… although you can upgrade to Windows 10 Pro if you find the stripped down operating system too restrictive.


Oooops, we done buggered up again, badly  -- quick retract it by twisting it around some and let's just try to confuse them a little bit ......

Microsoft also provided an update on the other one, Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) at the MS Build developer conference today. And the company confirmed that not only would Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) be able to run legacy apps developed for computers with x86 processors… but you’d be able to just download any old Win32 app from the internet, install it, and run it on a computer running Windows 10 ARM.

In other words, Windows 10 S for Education runs on devices with ARM or x86 processors, but only supports Windows Store apps.  .... right ....  Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) only runs on devices with ARM chips… but it supports apps from pretty much any source.  

nice recovery there, Micky me boy

Developers don’t need to convert their software in any way, because Windows 10 ARM (Retail Space) includes a built-in emulation layer that allows Win32 apps to run on an ARM-powered system.
   Roll Eyes   wow, wash your mouth out with soap, you lying dogs


OK, now there are TWO (2) Windows 10 variants being built for Qualcomm ARM chipsets --  one is just for schools  and one is just for the ARM based general populace and it isn't locked down any more than the rest of Win 10 for x86 is already locked down.

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See, I told you -- feeding them Indian programmers lots and lots of HOTTER, spicer, meaner browner curry powder does the trick every time.

fweerrrp ..... weerrrp !!!   Double poots !!!



Can MS actually compete in an open free FOSS space ???    History says yes they can once they actually go try try try try to actually go do it.    They have done so in the historical past, but MS wound up not being able to keep up with the pace of CHANGE in ARM land and very quickly got left behind.  Inside a year, actually.

This is try #4, in year #4, doubled for dual curry powder pooting, but who is counting?  

Just how fast can Qualcomm do complex x86 emulation is the next big question, since this is gong to be just an ARM interface shell over top of the old bulky x86 base code.


reminder -- all this is not real yet.   Smells very strongly of curry poots, but is not real yet at all ......   Here are early details about the proposed Emulations Scheme.


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Reply #619 - 05/11/17 at 18:11:43
 

Prediction Time

Microsoft tosses out an ARM emulation shell or two that kinda sorta works.   And has lots of kinda sorta "not work" issues going on with each revision update and each new wave of ARM hardware.

..... gotta keep that nightly Paid Subscription update thing going strong and kept up to date, don't you know.

Faced with hard choices and shrinking Intel inputs, Micky finally makes the hard choice and starts writing software strictly aimed at ARM and Tensor (maybe providing a x386 emulation layer to keep their old big business customers happy).

This takes 2-3 years for MS to churn through, but in the end Micky writes for what is, not what was.    

This time line also bridges over to the new Tensor AI processors of which we now have THREE real examples, two from Google and one from Nvidia.  

Yep, you got that Tensor stuff headed your way as a "replacement" tech wave which will eventually come to PC land because it is 30 times better throughput compared to Intel's best Core i7 stuff right now, and this gap will only get better as time goes on.  

Just think of it, your own personal AI sitting on your desktop .....  


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https://liliputing.com/2017/05/ransomware-using-exploit-identified-nsa-wreaking-
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Thousands of computers around the world are falling prey to a ransomware attack called WCry, although it’s also goes by WannaCry, WanaCryptor, or several other related names. According to the BBC, there have been reports of infected computers in “more than 70 countries, including the UK, US, China, Russia, Spain, Italy, and Taiwan.”

The malware locks users out of their computers unless a ransom is paid in Bitcoin. The National Health Service has been hit in the UK, causing surgeons to cancel operations and emergency rooms to scale back. Spanish wireless carrier Telefonica has also been hit.

The root of the problem? A Microsoft Windows security vulnerability first identified by the US National Security Agency, and released last month by a group called Shadow Brokers.


OK, this sound somewhat serious, so anti-virus scrub your machines and < shudder > perhaps even consider letting MickySoft update itself once to get this patch fix pushed through to your Win 10 machine.

I lit my Windows partition and noted that MS had taken my Malwarebytes off the machine again, and had screwed up my date and time again while doing its nightly secret magic stuff.

I reloaded Malwarebytes and ran it and found some minor malwares that were already sitting on the machine, things that are now recognized as "known illnesses" by Malwarebytes.  

This too isn't unusual -- stuff gets known all the time that is currently on your machine but the antivirus hasn't caught up with the bad boys yet.

I will leave my Win 10 lit overnight and see if anything shifts or changes when the pixies come at the witching hour .....

<one night later>

USER BEWARE

Microsoft downloads multiple full images of the entire OS (three of them) and installs them one at a time.

The downloads fill up all available hard drive space, then fault at the end because the drive is "out of space".

If you give it some more Windows room, it still faults because "the system change" invalidated the built in Windows key.

"Go to the store and buy an new key".

Tongue

Mickysoft hasn't changed, just the same bumbling money grubbing nonsense as before .....


I have been around this rose bush before, I do believe.   Got customer service on the line, they say my machine was never registered and I am not using my official email address either so they can't / won't help me.

This is the same EXACT sort of run around that got me to dump MS the first time, 8 years ago.

Went a round and around with the supervisory level person -- she successfully remoted into my machine and actually found the original key that came with the machine from Dell originally, but neither that key nor the virgin key and disk that I bought last year will "verify correctly" because of "other software issues".

Yeah, I run Linux, but MS LOVES Linux, right?

Frick MickySoft, they don''t get any more of my coins, ever.     Angry


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Fair is fair I cranked Windows 10 up again this morning and let it upload itself and install itself and muck around again all over the place again for as long as it wanted, and lo and behold I have a Win 10 system again and this time one that isn't telling me I am a software pirate this time around.  

So Micky can fix it if properly motivated, but like Freedom.POP phones, it ain't really worth the hassles it takes to get there.

Part of the issue is me, not letting Windows boot but every few months -- the updates build up and get constipated, they do.
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Reply #620 - 05/15/17 at 07:47:08
 

End of the thread time.

This thread is over for several reasons.  Intel has already left computer space except for Core i7 line (this is the minimum spec supported now) and their brand new Intel 12-16 core Core i9 stuff that is coming out this summer.   AMD is back, swinging 3 core, 5 core, 8 core, 12 core, 16 core and 32 core processors built brand new this year.   All of this activity is all about GAMING, since none of it is needed or sought for home or business computing.

Tensor, AI and Quantum Computing are real now with multiple prototype examples built already in data farm land with Google busily implementing its own Tensor Processors in all its data farms as a cost saving,  30x throughput increasing replacement tech for Intel.

Microsoft is thinking about leaving x86 space now as their main thrust, and is getting into bed with Qualcomm ARM processors for their new "low end public space processors" in an attempt to compete with Chromebooks, which are still doing quite well now-a-days.   Chromebooks are still hurting Apple and Microsoft and gaining market share by double digits in the last 4 years running.

Phones can now drop into a cradle by your monitor and be a PC now days, and they are actually getting passably good at it.

All our old major PC space players are paying a lot more attention to self driving Automotive space than to phone or PC space.

In summary, MS Windows OS and MS Office has just gotten fatter and bulkier and more "feature rich" until it is jest plain too fat to fit down the little wires in your mobile machines any more.   MS phone efforts are no more, accordingly.  MS realizes this finally, and is coming out with a cut down slimmed down Win 10 S and Win 10 ARM to attempt to compete on the bottom end of consumer laptop space yet again.
 
..... by using x86 emulation no less, good luck with that Micky, you right stupid arsed  'ol sod that you are .....

MS is now going to be asking everyone (including yours truly) for a yearly $70-$110 donation to use their various products, by using the normal range of crappy MS tricks like cutting your stuff off and insisting you are a pirate and your software isn't real BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T BUY IT FROM THE MS STORE.  

MS is still shrinking at a 5-8% per year clip and has been doing this for the past 6 years.  Both MS and Intel cut the vast size of their PC manning and operations way way down to free up cash flow to keep stockholders happy, and both are now showing to be fiscally profitable doing cloud and data farm and a little Automotive on the side.  Both will survive, in other words.

Google is doing well with no layoffs and is staying FOSS based and is at the head (or near the head) in every zone of endeavor they work in.  

Apple isn't doing as well, mostly due to lack of a good visionary at their helm.  But Apple is still insanely profitable, and Apple isn't really worried about market share and mundane things like that.

Desktop Linux is in flux, with Google moving away from a Linux Kernel basis to their own custom designed FOSS kernel called Magenta.   Linux desktop distros are being hurt in general and ARE SHRINKING since Microsoft actually has gotten their act together a lot better than they used to.   MS has finally learned how to lock down hardware so the new machines can't be readily switched over to Linux any more .....    

Sad thing is that Linux is actually a better product and it is getting better all the time, but since MS isn't as nasty now the people loading a Linux for the first time has actually gone down over the last year.    Of course MS can change this by attacking their customers some more going out into the future, and picking their pockets more and pissing them off in general more and more and more ....

China and India and South Korea are the current main centers of portable computing growth, and the USA is now a portable computing backwater that gets the newest and the best one year after it rolls out in China and India.  Most of this is due to Qualcomm, Microsoft, AT&T, Verizon various nasty business practices and the myriad crappy little things they do to keep competitors out of their markets.

Lastly, I really don't think this thread gets read very much any more and likely isn't worth the effort to type it all out.

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Lastly, I really don't think this thread gets read very much any more and likely isn't worth the effort to type it all out.


Actually it is the first thread I look for when checking in at SS.com.
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Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 05/15/17 at 07:47:08:


Lastly, I really don't think this thread gets read very much any more and likely isn't worth the effort to type it all out.

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Another 327 or so looks or whatever OF and you will have hit the 10 000 looks at this thread. I do read it regularly, and as I've pointed out, don't understand most of it. It has got me Adblock Plus, a wonderful thing, and Google Chrome, unused, but there if I need it. You saved me from being sneakily "upgraded" to Win 10, I will decide if and when I need it. I submit ,with respect, that you should keep it going.
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Reply #624 - 05/16/17 at 18:21:44
 

After a few days off, I realize I was just over reacting in general disgust to dealing with MS Customer service and getting screwed over by them yet again.

My statement at the time should have been "not spend another penny, not spend another word" as my revulsion at MS is quite complete at the moment.    

Although, to be fair, they did fix my machine the very next day.   But I do not feel it is going to stay fixed.   After talking to MS so much for so long, I honestly feel they consider me a not-real-customer even though I bought a copy of their software and upgraded it on their special offer -- there seems to be a new requirement in town that you HAVE TO BUY IT FRESH FROM THE MS STORE INSIDE THE PAST YEAR in order to have it be "verifiable".

Them finding my original key still on the machine (the one they said before didn't exist) just pushed me over the edge, I think, and then when they then autocratically still said BOTH keys were "unverifiable" as they weren't sold by the MS store and couldn't be proven otherwise just snapped something inside my head and I went into a cold rage that lasted several days.

I am not over it, just accommodating to the aftermath I guess.     It is not healthy for me to get "floaters in the air" angry at something --- I could drop dead over that high blood pressure action as old as I am.
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Reply #625 - 05/16/17 at 19:23:00
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/05/machine-prototype-hpe-160tb-memory-ram-storage.ht
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The Machine prototype from Hewlett Packard Enterprise has 160TB of new style non-volatile memory (both RAM and storage)





The Hewlett Packard prototype Enterprise computer has 1,280 64-bit ARM-based ThunderX2 CPU cores from Cavium and runs a Linux-based operating system. And it uses “photonics” to transmit data via optic fibers rather than by sending electronic impulses through copper wire. HPE says that leads to higher efficiency, faster data transfer, and smaller size.

We saw the light channel data transfer tech used on the Google Quantum Computer, so here is another tech that has to use that extreme level of data transfer bus speed .....   note please that the Google Quantum computer was 100 times smaller  with somewhat similar through-put levels (using a different software basis) and a thousand times less numerous on the core counts.

This last graphic showing multiple processors feeding off a central pool of fast, non-volatile memory is what you can see happening right now.   This change will up performance by ~ 10 times better throughput on the new memory using existing ARM, AMD and x86 cores is going to be possible very very soon.   You can bet new systems are being prototyped by all the major players as the old x86 ideas are about to be superceeded and they all know it.

7nm production of "video and Tensor processors" is already underway, along with new style 7nm memory production.   Yes, very quietly the next nearest wave of change is being built for the data farm boys who have the deep pockets for their own personal cost savings uses.  

I say "video and Tensor processors" because AMD is including a few Tensor type processor cores in with each video card processor cluster that they design,  Why?  Because they think they are complementary processes and both will be used going out into the future.


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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/05/google-brings-45-teraflop
s-tensor-flow-processors-to-its-compute-cloud/

Now let's talk Google Tensor Processors for a little bit .....   this one is the new 180 teraflops single Tensor rack card that just got outed at yesterday's Google I/O Conference.  

That's an IBM BIG BLUE supercomputer equivalent per card, boys and girls, a BIG BLUE per card mind you.   It has (count them) 8 of the newest laser light type buss connectors per card, so there is some serious serious data being moved through the four (4) air cooled stacks of Tensor Processors ....  





Google has already gone quite far along down this road, having prototyped the original single layer Tensor Processor two full years ago (and then they ran it out over an entire mini data farm for their scaling tests) and they have now done the second generation of the Tensor Processor now and have already built the first full second generation rack test farm -- wanna see it?  

 

And the second rack set is right below it, taking up A WHOLE LOT LESS SPACE in an older rack farm facility.





TREMENDOUS PROCESSING POWER at low low energy and greatly reduced cooling costs .....   Google says that having done this will mean they don't have to expansion build 15 of the old style rack farms going out into the future.   A 15 to one "throughput and efficiency advantage" measured at the rack farm level, in other words.

The conjoined computing power shown in this picture is in the hundreds of PETAFLOPS in size and would make NSA all drooly jealous to have one in their basement .....

When this sort of tech comes to your desktop or to your automobile then look to see this change require a new OS system as it is quite different compared to the old Wintel world or the old Android world, but not really so killingly different from what already exists in the supercomputer Linux world right now.

Magenta and Fuschia are being developed for a reason, you know  

Yup, them the current software grandkids of the old mainframe Linux supercomputer softwares would likely have lots of no fluff refinement (very fast lean and mean softwares so to speak).  Now we begin to see why Google is making up brand new "consumer based" softwares, just to be able to catch what this bugger bear can toss over the wall, TOTALLY & COMPLETELY INDIVIDUALIZED output that is aimed at an end user's hand held or desktop device.

What’s more, Google is packaging availability of these chips as a service on the Google Cloud Platform, substantially lowering the barrier to entry to this technology. It is also allowing users to start building their models on competing chips like Intel’s Skylake or GPUs like Nvidia’s Volta and then move the project to Google’s TPU cloud for final processing.

And if that cost is a barrier, Google also announced free — as in beer — access to the TensorFlow Research Cloud, a cluster of 1,000 Cloud TPUs for researchers working on open machine learning research.   FREE SUPERCOMPUTER TIME for FREE

Smiley   Yep, you got you another wave or two of change headed your way .....   yep, change, she comes yet again.

What don't you see in these waves of change ????

Yup, no Intel and no Microsoft .....

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Reply #626 - 05/19/17 at 12:43:24
 

The promised Third Level (last generation) of 10nm consumer production processes are here, now.  

Qualcomm and Huawei are participating on this new sub-section of 10nm, using four BRAND NEW box stock ARM Cortex A75 cores and four A-55 cores running with a 20% throughput improvement over the existing Qualcomm 835.    Top of the heap life span of this generation will be only a half a year as the very first 7nm wave is pending very soon.

TSMC is going to be a fab shop this time around, not just Samsung who is now extending all their efforts to drop down to 7nm on their next major chipset which will be out the first of next year.   AND Samsung is struggling to make enough of the back ordered Snapdragon 835 chips for all the various premium phones and then make them for the long delayed Microsoft Chromebook killers, when and if that stuff ever actually does take place ....

Microsoft ..... can you say "overcome by events" three times fast ???    You still really don't move fast enough to play in phone space ....

This new stuff is bone stock ARM tested, ARM supported ARM designed stuff, and finally Huawei has actually made good on Mediatek's brag of being officially neck and neck with Qualcomm at a brand new SOC release point.  

In fact, Huawei has been ARM poster child for two consecutive ARM releases now and Huawei was the one that LENARO used to make up the official demo board for that earlier A-73 spec level.   Perhaps a SOC upgrade to the demo board will come due at the end of this upcoming six months when the stock of already built up demo boards goes on sale and gets sold out -- I guess this depends on if the ball grid array on the SOC stays the same and how much the graphics side changes this time out.   Or if the software / hardware changes enough to even need a new LENARO demo board as the old one was 12nm lithography and this one is third gen 10nm lithography.  

Or even if this third generation is going to even really last long enough to even need a demo board ....

Qualcomm simply hasn't had enough time to tweek up their own Snapdragon core variant on this one -- and since 7nm hits in a few months after this one Qualcomm likely never will build their own tweeked cores on this particular sub-section of 10nm (as they are busy with 7nm as well).

We look to see a new design wave out of ARM on Cortex A-80 big and A-60 little cores announced soon, paired to a new improved Mali VR graphics set that are all three going to be aimed at the new 7nm and 5nm production space.

Some vendors are skipping out on 10nm completely and are bending all their efforts and development dollars at getting the new 7nm designs right as soon as possible -- as getting there first means a year of uncontested high end profits (for the first wave anyway) -- but this comes at the risk of some potentially LARGE EXPENSIVE sorts of screw ups which also can come with "being there first".

Ask 'ol Samsung and Qualcomm about being there first all the time --- occasionally they do get to bite the big one, big time.

Risk is minimal with this one, since it is a guaranteed ARM design that already gone through the ARM proof build process.


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Since their vendors have announced phones with the new stuff inside them, ARM will now tell us all about it.



ARM’s Cortex-A75 CPU big core design is an upgrade to the Cortex-A73, and the company says it offers at least 20 percent “more mobile performance” in most tasks, with some benchmarks showing a nearly 50 percent improvement.   Also note the A55 little cores got 2x more energy efficient and 25% more powerful,




The new Mali-G72 graphics tech is an update to last year’s Mali-G71, and it includes improvements that ARM says should make it a better option for virtual reality and machine learning applications. The company says it offers up to a 40 percent overall performance boost, 25 percent higher energy efficiency, and 20 percent better performance density.   Once again, the current VR and AI tricks are baked right into the Mali-G72 GPU.


Taken as an entire SOC, this new package looks to be an across the board improvement to the QualComm 835 family of chipsets which is the current cream of the crop ARM implementation.  



Please note that the new DynamiQ is present inside this SOC design and IT CAN ACCEPT new styles of persistent RAM type memory and it can co-join with other SOCs according to the new DynamiQ methodology so look to see these chipsets show up in Automotive products.   In this it is a clear advancement over the Qualcomm 835.

Note that the lithograpy change didn't do all of this -- New Automotive demanded changes gave you shared memory access to the new Optane styles of memory for much faster throughput.

Next month -- 7nm begins to roll through, further improving throughput and cementing the total future use of DynamiQ systems and fixing "pooled new style memory" as the only way going forward.   I predict larger total core counts will begin showing up commonly as the existing chip ball grid packages have LOTS of spare room on them right now.  

POP memory (installed on top of the SOC at manufacture) will increase to over 6 gigs going forward and it will all be non-volatile memory suitable for both HD type app storage as well as system RAM uses.

And all of this would fit on top of your big toe nail .....
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Reply #627 - 05/26/17 at 18:15:50
 

We are entering a very dense area of VR and Automotive driven change now, with MS and Intel not even even showing up at the table at all, none, what so ever.

At the end of next year MS and Intel will be running so far behind the "NOW" wave that what they do or say will begin to get ignored pretty much by the tech writers, kinda like they treated Texas Instruments once they fell off the map.

MS's current promised Chromebook killer will be overcome by events, not being even close to current when it comes out all "way too expensive" and  using last year's "used to be shiny new tech".


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Reply #628 - 05/29/17 at 05:24:47
 

The promised Third Level (last generation) of 10nm consumer production processes are here, now.  

Qualcomm and Huawei are participating on this new sub-section of 10nm, using four BRAND NEW box stock ARM Cortex A75 cores and four A-55 cores running with a 20% throughput improvement over the existing Qualcomm 835.    Top of the heap life span of this generation will be only a half a year as the very first 7nm wave is pending very soon.

TSMC is going to be a fab shop this time around, not just Samsung who is now extending all their efforts to drop down to 7nm on their next major chipset which will be out the first of next year.   AND Samsung is struggling to make enough of the back ordered Snapdragon 835 chips for all the various premium phones and then make them for the long delayed Microsoft Chromebook killers, when and if that stuff ever actually does take place ....

Microsoft ..... can you say "overcome by events" three times fast ???    You still really don't move fast enough to play in phone space ....

This new stuff is bone stock ARM tested, ARM supported ARM designed stuff, and finally Huawei has actually made good on Mediatek's brag of being officially neck and neck with Qualcomm at a brand new SOC release point.  

In fact, Huawei has been ARM poster child for two consecutive ARM releases now and Huawei was the one that LENARO used to make up the official demo board for that earlier A-73 spec level.   Perhaps a SOC upgrade to the demo board will come due at the end of this upcoming six months when the stock of already built up demo boards goes on sale and gets sold out -- I guess this depends on if the ball grid array on the SOC stays the same and how much the graphics side changes this time out.   Or if the software / hardware changes enough to even need a new LENARO demo board as the old one was 12nm lithography and this one is third gen 10nm lithography.  

Or even if this third generation is going to even really last long enough to even need a demo board ....

Qualcomm simply hasn't had enough time to tweek up their own Snapdragon core variant on this one -- and since 7nm hits in a few months after this one Qualcomm likely never will build their own tweeked cores on this particular sub-section of 10nm (as they are busy with 7nm as well).

We look to see a new design wave out of ARM on Cortex A-80 big and A-60 little cores announced soon, paired to a new improved Mali VR graphics set that are all three going to be aimed at the new 7nm and 5nm production space.

Some vendors are skipping out on 10nm completely and are bending all their efforts and development dollars at getting the new 7nm designs right as soon as possible -- as getting there first means a year of uncontested high end profits (for the first wave anyway) -- but this comes at the risk of some potentially LARGE EXPENSIVE sorts of screw ups which also can come with "being there first".

Ask 'ol Samsung and Qualcomm about being there first all the time --- occasionally they do get to bite the big one, big time.

Risk is minimal with this one, since it is a guaranteed ARM design that already gone through the ARM proof build process.


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Since their vendors have announced phones with the new stuff inside them, ARM will now tell us all about it.



ARM’s Cortex-A75 CPU big core design is an upgrade to the Cortex-A73, and the company says it offers at least 20 percent “more mobile performance” in most tasks, with some benchmarks showing a nearly 50 percent improvement.   Also note the A55 little cores got 2x more energy efficient and 25% more powerful,




The new Mali-G72 graphics tech is an update to last year’s Mali-G71, and it includes improvements that ARM says should make it a better option for virtual reality and machine learning applications. The company says it offers up to a 40 percent overall performance boost, 25 percent higher energy efficiency, and 20 percent better performance density.   Once again, the current VR and AI tricks are baked right into the Mali-G72 GPU.


Taken as an entire SOC, this new package looks to be an across the board improvement to the QualComm 835 family of chipsets which is the current cream of the crop ARM implementation.  



Please note that the new DynamiQ is present inside this SOC design and IT CAN ACCEPT new styles of persistent RAM type memory and it can co-join with other SOCs according to the new DynamiQ methodology so look to see these chipsets show up in Automotive products.   In this it is a clear advancement over the Qualcomm 835.

Note that the lithograpy change didn't do all of this -- New Automotive demanded changes gave you shared memory access to the new Optane styles of memory for much faster throughput.

Next couple of months -- 7nm begins to roll through, further improving throughput and cementing the total future use of DynamiQ systems and fixing "pooled new style memory" as the only way going forward.   I predict larger total core counts will begin showing up commonly as the existing chip ball grid packages have LOTS of spare room on them right now.  

POP memory (installed on top of the SOC at manufacture) will increase to over 6 gigs going forward and it will all be non-volatile memory suitable for both HD type app storage as well as system RAM uses.

And all of this would fit on top of your big toe nail .....


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Uh, lets talk about those A-55 littles a bit.   They share a DynamiQ pooled bus and DynamiQ pooled memory and it can use the new style non-volatile memory as they come bone stock from ARM.  

You can buy design packs of 2, 4 and 8 cores of the A-55 little main cores to go along with your any count of A-75 big cores.   Please remember the A-55 has twice the throughput, is twice as energy efficient and overall is twice as "good" as an A-53 and four times as good as a A-57 used to be.

Cast your mind back a whole year, and remember when 8 each of A-53 or A-57 used to make up an upper end Chinese phone.   Then remember that the new A-55 is TWICE as good as a A-53 that is selling right now.

So, box stock from ARM you got low end phones at 4 each A-55 cores and upper level low end phones at 8 each A-55 cores all with performance that kicks the butt of what we sell as a primo phone right now.  Cheap.  Using Android O that can show a full sized monitor screen, run a keyboard and mouse FROM YOUR POCKET, box stock.

Add some A75 big cores to it and it gets downright flat big computerish in the CPU power level department.  And in the GPU department too.   Clearly Better than what you got now, anyways.   Runs VR natively and can GAME real Vulcan based AAA games as it sits there in your pocket ..... running the keyboard mouse and monitor using Bluetooth 5.0 (no cables).

And, at 10nm the stuff is now so small there is lots and lots of unused room on the standard SOC POP die packages for lots and lots of other associated stuff to go into the SOC itself.    To pull LOTS & LOTS of memory from the pooled new style memory pool and to share whatever passive cooling system (the aluminum frame, generally) that the SOC itself uses.

Phones, even low end phones are going to get a WHOLE lot better, more capable and cheaper, real soon.
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Reply #629 - 05/30/17 at 05:22:53
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/05/intel-unveils-core-x-series-chips-including-18-co
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Intel has decided to only compete with AMD for the very very top end of desktop PC gaming land.   Below Core i7,  Intel has given up pretty much completely and will sell out what finished stock that they have and will only consider any new production on a by case basis.

ARM chipsets are jest lousy everywhere now in the mid to low range marketplace, eating up on anything below i7 territory (and beginning to get up into the i7 turf starting late this year).

COMPUTEX has Intel flat reeling, firing off their BS brown vapor cannon saying they are going to beat 10nm and 7nm AMD processors using only their 14nm Intel tech, all the while they are flat standing in a piranha infested stream with their lower legs and feet flat getting nibbled away by a vast multitude of them sharp toothed little ARM SOC fishes.

Yup, and now Intel is being "reality forced" into saying all their bold plans with LG about making up ARM octa-cores on their proprietary Intel processes (Intel acting as a fab house) have come up a crapper for the third iteration in a row now.    

THIS DOES NOT COUNT THE 5 SOPHIA MESSES WITH ROCKCHIP THAT FAILED REPEATEDLY IN THE HISTORICAL PAST -- these are just the very recent Intel promised, LG ordered chipsets that Intel couldn't build at the price they quoted.

Roll Eyes

Once again, the "Apple ditching Intel" rumors are moving around Mac Land again as Apple sees Microsoft busy ditching Intel as their middle to lower end supplier of MS processors.   Apple also sees Intel cutting off everything below Core i7 and Apple sees where this is headed as well.  

Apple also has their new A-11 and A-12 chipsets going into production at TSMC at 7nm and 5nm respectively, so Apple does have real alternatives with ample processing power to do their own bail out in house.

Intel, you had better DO what you say about these new Core i9 processors as your believe-ability is being completely and  publicly questioned even now as you shoot off the big brown vapor PR BS cannons again at COMPUTEX.

Apple also is feeling the bite as Chromebooks continue cutting into their low end laptop sales more and more and more -- and Apple needs to come up with a plan to handle that as Google is planning on using those massive, fast, cheap Tensor data farms to remote support the new crop of ARM based Play Store Chromebooks at a even greater level than they have in the past.

Tongue    See Intel PR themselves into an early "irrelevance" as they make and break yet another year's worth of BIG BIG Promises to the computing industry.
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