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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #645 - 07/01/17 at 03:57:14
 

Justin asks:

Could the leaked NSA's hacking tools have been used to build some of the nasty sorts of ransom wares that are going around right now?   The NSA hacking tools utilize known weaknesses and exploits in the Windows source OS code to do some potentially bad things, and yes, these are holes that should have been fixed like a week after the NSA tools were first publicized.

Linux fixes stuff at this sort of pace, so we know it can happen.

Answer has to be "That it is possible that MS left the holes alone on purpose, as intentional back doors", but it is the unpatched holes in the OS itself that actually let the nasty stuff in, holes that originally came from Microsoft's seemingly careless errors in programming while building the core OS functionality.  

.... or by intention, if you only think in NSA/CIA speak

And then there is the hard fact that MS has never fixed the holes, although they were exposed during hackoffs several times independently.   And guess what, some are still not fixed, although now very well known.

SO, after a half year of futzing around, MS is now calling the fixing of these more stubborn back door type holes a "maintenance feature" and unless you have a costly paid maintenance plan going out into the future, guess what you don't get ....


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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #646 - 07/02/17 at 13:33:06
 

Intel leaks some very early plans to completely dump the existing overly complex Core i architecture for a new, simplified hybrid processor set-up.    

Sad thing is they can't tell you exactly what this new Intel replacement architecture is going to look like at the moment ..... they aren't going to be the ones calling that shot.

But Intel does clearly see the Tensor AI handwriting is up on the wall and they also realize that Quantum computing is coming as well ..... the existing PC world has about 3 years left before going down the toilet bowl swirl with all the rest of "old computing tech".

Intel is posting lots of patents on all sorts of things, frantically buying up little forward thinking companies and patenting their stuff (as Intel technology) on lots of different pathways forward, spending their excess money now so they can maybe say they "own" a chunk of the future while they still have some money to spend doing that.

Intel is still shrinking year on year as a company, and it is losing influence right and left as it does so .....

What is clear is that Intel's old Core i x86 architecture "product line" is verging on intellectually defunct, and that relatively tiny AMD is currently designing much better "Core i & GPU hybrid processors" than Intel is, and that Intel simply cannot compete anywhere effectively any more using just their own old Intel patented architectures.

Tongue     "The future uses a lot of GPU tech and Intel is very weak on GPU technology"
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #647 - 07/04/17 at 12:21:45
 

https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/02/microsoft-is-laying-off-thousands-of-staff/

A brand new wave of MS layoffs that move to preemptively scrap the existing software sales and distribution system may indeed dovetail with the Intel's future planning reports of "new, simplified processor type that use a new operating system".

Stacking early rumors is always fraught with mischance, but if you think they paint a somewhat consistent picture then we are only likely a year and a bit out from the first prototype release of a new computing system (software and hardware) that wipes the slate clean for everybody.

Tensor AI, Virtual Reality and all the efforts in Automotive seem to be heading in a common direction, one that obsoletes Intel's current processor type AND all the various MS softwares that directly supported it.

Intel's recent statements that "nobody can emulate any portion of Intel's x86 IP tech of any kind without paying Intel a licensing royalty" also begins to ring true from this new point of view, that during a major changeover people are going to want to use their old familiar softwares even if it is on a completely different intellectual hardware and software package.

Watch them Linux boys closely as Supercomputer Linux is what is currently running Tensor AI at the moment, using some Google built tools called Tensor Flow.  

Did you really think it odd that MS spent all that time and effort internalizing Linux (internally to Windows 10) in the last year or so ????   Did you think Google built Magenta and Fuchsia (a completely new OS system built on a Google code base) just for the shits and giggles of it?

Watch the big boys maneuver around each other and adapt to the coming wave of change .....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #648 - 07/04/17 at 18:03:20
 
I just saw the reply,, glad I looked up,  

holes a "maintenance feature" and unless you have a costly paid maintenance plan going out into the future, guess what you don't get ....

A Maintenance FEATURE,  gee, I don't remember EVER hearing about those. Are they New? How many of those should I expect to discover built into my car, or television?
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Reply #649 - 07/05/17 at 12:39:57
 

Two new pending shifts -- Volvo announces it will go 100% to electric based vehicles in 2019-2020.  

Why?   Because it is now cheaper to build an electric car .....


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Ditto for robo trucks, proposed electric driverless trucks will save a ton of money hauling stuff across the country.   They look a lot like just the trailer portion going down the road by themselves.....
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #650 - 07/05/17 at 13:03:22
 

https://chromeunboxed.com/new-chromebook-eve-nvme-ssd/


Optane from Intel falls off the table


    NVMe is a new industry wide standard for memory interfaces. These drives are still SSD (solid state drives), but they can send and receive data MUCH faster, among other tricks.

Take the Samsung 960 Pro for example. This NVMe SSD can see peak read/write speeds of 3500mbps/2500mbps. So it is clear, these drives (paired with a NVMe capable motherboard) can move multiple GIGABYTES of data per second.

3. Gigs. Per. Second.

For reference, a fast standard SSD at the current moment can see read/write speeds up to 750mbps.


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Why it Matters

On multiple fronts, this is a massive step forward. Slow hard drives seriously impact the performance of locally-stored resources. If you have any doubt, go to a local Best Buy and mess around with two computers with similar processors and RAM: one with an old, spinning HDD and one with an SSD. The difference is easily observable.

For all computing types, faster data transfers mean faster experiences. We all like fast.

For Chromebooks, the reason this could be a big deal is simple: Android apps.

Chrome OS, on its own, relies more heavily on the speed of your data connection than it does on the speed of your internal storage. After all, the current crop of Chromebooks are being run off of eMMC storage, which is a good deal slower than standard SSD.

If Chrome OS is moving forward with NVMe storage, Android is the target. With apps now being stored and run locally on Chromebooks, faster data transfer of that stored data will result in much faster and stable performance across the board.


WHAT DOES IT MEAN ..... ???   MS had planned to have large chunks of Optane memory to make their fat porky Win 10S seem quick and nimble, comparatively speaking.

Now MS is being faced with the new "Eve class" of Chromebooks that are going to be swinging much FASTER, much bigger and much less expensive Samsung MVMe memory modules.  

Those still not real yet Win 10S Chromekillers won't seem to be all that fast or all that attractive to purchasers comparison shopping  against the less expensive Eve class of Chromebooks which are going to be noticeably speedier and cheaper than the more expensive, slower Win 10S machines.

HOWEVER, MS will cannibalize some of their own sales as all the existing more expensive Win10 laptops will be really slow looking and sluggish compared to those cheap Win 10S Chromekillers .....

Some bright boy at MS will realize this and the Win 10S Chromekillers will fade away before even landing good (yet again).


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New York Times says:

Microsoft to Cut Up to 4,000 Sales and Marketing Jobs

MS plans to stop doing what they have been doing, and do something different that won't require a sales force or Marketing group.  

MS hasn't said what that is yet ......
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #651 - 07/06/17 at 16:06:27
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/04/17 at 18:03:20:
I just saw the reply,, glad I looked up,  

holes a "maintenance feature" and unless you have a costly paid maintenance plan going out into the future, guess what you don't get ....

A Maintenance FEATURE,  gee, I don't remember EVER hearing about those. Are they New? How many of those should I expect to discover built into my car, or television?



No Justin, I said FIXING the holes was a "maintenance feature" and that if you didn't have a maintenance plan you'd likely never see all those fixes.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #652 - 07/06/17 at 17:52:34
 
I understood.
I'm just appalled that a Known Problem was allowed to be delivered WHILE the manufacturer would only repair the problems that they knew existed before they sold it, IF the victim was Paying for a Maintenance Agreement.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #653 - 07/07/17 at 12:41:50
 

Question in my mind is "MS sucks all right, so why are all you guys still using a system that is:

1) extra extra expensive to buy  
2) is extra extra complex to live with  
3) runs slow compared to what else is out there    
4) has a long history of shagging their end users unmercifully
    and picking their pockets on purpose every 3-5 years very consistently."

Saying you jest can't handle change won't fly any more, because you already use Chrome browser and already use an Android phone, so you already know how it works ......

Saying you are too lazy violates all the Guy Rules, so forget that.

That leaves blaming it on your wife and her job (my favorite).
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #654 - 07/07/17 at 15:40:28
 

What is "EVE", who is designing it,  who is building it and what does it portend?

Six months ago, I joked about MS and Qualcomm tossing some Chromekiller BS down on Google by firing off some fictional pure poot style "flaming bullets" made of purely imaginary brown vapor ..... and eventually getting back some irritated return fire from Google with some for real flaming bullets (or return phaser fire, as the case might well be).

Bang !!!!   EVE flies out of the barrel aimed right at Wincom's nuts.

EVE is the platform name going through LENARO and Linus's kernel level commits and is now showing up in FCC reference designs.   EVE keeps making the tech news as being the first to incorporate "lower cost new super fast main memory" and being the first to use several other technical innovations like a new stylus.

Historically, EVE was the mother of a new race.  

Might this portend something on the techie front as well ???    

We know EVE is a new Chromebook type, that much is very clear.  

EVE already has had some cutting edge modern mobile tech showing up in it, a behind the screen finger print sensor, a high pixel count touch screen, a layout task bar and the rest of the modern phone features INCLUDING your choice of having Google Assistant being live at all times, with it started up by by verbal or touching a dedicated key/screen button.

Google has always works in partnership with a builder/vendor as they incorporate builder feedback into the base design, always.

In this case the EVE system commits are coming from Google Chrome Central and also from the individual builder(s) .....  

 (drum roll please)

HP (very heavy flow of commits)
Dell (heavy)
Acer (heavy)
Asus (light)
Lenovo (light)



These are the same laptop folks who will also build you a MS Chromekiller unit, and they see no conflict with this as they are most interested in just selling more stuff, the more stuff they can sell the merrier.   These laptop guys always do one of each kind so they are covered no matter which way the market eventually swings.

By doing EVE at the exact same hardware level as Chromekiller, the builder vendors will minimize their developmental expenses and increase their purchase quantities on the components, thus saving some additional coins.

Google doesn't try to stop this behavior as they want to quickly improve what they make to make it BETTER than the other stuff, so Google wants to take market share by EARNING it ongoing with a lower cost better performing product.   Working with the enemy camp members gets them completely detailed information much quicker so they can work around any advantages that are seen.

So far Google is meeting all the fancy stuff that MS has vapor pooted and added some more nice ones from the mobile world.   As the two companies "feature fight" I look to see a comprehensive set of features in both top end glory products, features which will then slide down-hill into the general population of chromebooks over time.

The last 2 waves of Chromekillers came out with an exact Same Same chassis and unit design swinging both Win 8 and ChromeOS, so some very early head to head comparisons were quick and easy to get.

So far folks have spotted lots of new fast NVMe super memory, Gigabyte Wifi and state of the art tower service radios, a Kaby Lake Core i7 processor, Google Assistant button and a finger print scanner.  

Kinda upscale, and equipped with other ritzy cell phone stuff.  But hey, if that is the ball field this Chromekiller game is going to be played out upon, then let the fun commence.

Eve isn't going to be low end or inexpensive, it smells more like a multi-branded Pixel level device right now.   We knew the Chromekillers were never going to get down to Chromebook pricing levels, so having EVE be price neutral (but having ass kicking better performance levels at the same cost) is how Google plans to play this one.

There will be more pedestrian versions of this Chromebook later on, I am sure.   A lot of the successful ritzy neat features will move downstream into these lower cost units, so the Pixel exercise is always worthwhile for those who can afford it.

Wink      ..... what I don't see is any Qualcomm 835 processors showing up anywhere .....   nor do I see any Samsung visible at the moment .....     Huh
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #655 - 07/10/17 at 15:05:39
 

Microsoft revisits an old VERY FIRM sales promotion promise -- if you buy a Windows 8.x phone we will update you to Win 10 for phone within 90 days.

Well, 90 days never arrived ..... and over half the current Windows Phone users are still waiting on MS to honor their written advertised promise that enticed LOTS of win users to buy that discounted Win phone there at the end.  

Over half of the Win phone users are in this leaky boat at the moment ..... and they all just clearly heard the <plock> sound that MS just made pulling the bung plug out on the very shaky boat they are sitting in with the Win 8.x folks (and the very few that did get updated to Win 10 phone but are still listed in MS's registration system as Win 8.x users).

https://liliputing.com/2017/07/windows-phone-8-1-mainstream-support-ends-july-11
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THAT IS TOMORROW, BTW.  Gurgle, Gurgle Windows users --- REMEMBER, I told you so back before you bought those discounted $900 phones.


Never trust MS to do what they say they will do .....



NOW WHAT IS UPCOMING NEXT .....

Now, we are approaching the ending period for Win 8.x desktop versions and MS is now busy backtracking on all their upgrade promises that were made to move you from Win 7 and Win 8.x over to Win 10.  

I can say this first hand because I just went through a bout of it.    I bought Win 8.1, installed it and upgraded it -- then I got Micky hassled after the fact because I didn't buy it from the Windows Store.

If you didn't move when the upgrade time was available, or, even if you DID move during the time period allotted, you will now still be force offered the chance to buy a yearly maintenance package ($$ monthly or yearly).

Remember, only software bought directly from the Windows Store can be "verified" at the moment, all else is suspect.    MS just shut down all the old retail boxed software channels, so that "unavailable info" no longer really applies any more.

AND they just laid off all the 4,000 people that worked to support that boxed retail channel.

Lucky you, you Windows user, you .....        Tongue
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #656 - 07/10/17 at 16:43:16
 

Speaking of more over-hyped Wintel vaporous BS, we need to revisit Optane yet again.

Optane is the miracle memory that MS planned to use to make existing Intel and Qualcomm processors move fast enough to make Win 10 seem competitive.

Chromebooks (EVE class) have countered this with a LARGE full sized "all systems and data items on it" bigger faster SSD type solid state drive as standard boot drive (systems and data) -- one that uses  the new NVMe DYNAMIQ ready industry standards instead of Intel's slower, more expensive Optane standard.    

Current MVMe drives from Samsung can move 3 GIGS of data per second (faster than Optane) using FAR LESS POWER than Optane drives use to do it -- and this will only get better since this type of memory has just moved down to 7nm lithography at Samsung, TSMC and Global ....  and the new NVMe is now documented as part of the DYNAMIQ ARM standards.  

MVMe will get cheaper and cheaper as time goes on.

If you were thinking about Optane -- Buyer Beware, the gamer boys who actually bought the stuff early on are now talking out loud about their experiences.

Undecided

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reasons-why-intel-optane-drive-rip-off/
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #657 - 07/11/17 at 00:18:07
 

I joke you not ..... this is fresh, only 7 hours old at this time.

Microsoft to Bundle Office With Windows Into New "Microsoft 365" Service



The new Microsoft 365 service is Microsoft's biggest step towards offering the Windows OS as a monthly subscription service, moving away from one-time purchases.

Microsoft has previously offered Windows 10 as a subscription purchase before, but only for Windows 10 Enterprise versions. Today's announcement provides more options and is a firmer step in the direction of changing Windows' default commercial licensing model.


Duh, I predicted it when MS lost track of my registered software keys (two of them in a row) then MS just laid off all the 4,000 people who supported the "boxed software" sales & service function and now you got you a new MS public service announcement just now coming out.

WHAT MS ISN'T SAYING CLEARLY AT THIS TIME ?????    You MUST buy and register your maintenance package from the Windows store (pay full price in other words) or else you do not have a "verifiable" OS copy installed on your machine.    

Tough shite, them's the new rules.

Expect to watch in dismay as MS security software first warns you then acts to remove all this evil "false stuff" from your machine as part of normal nightly "malware cleaning" in the not too distant future .....

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #658 - 07/11/17 at 00:54:56
 

BE VERY VERY CAREFUL when buying a new machine -- many of the newest ones are hardware locked into MS Win 10 (and the Win 10 used is hard keyed to only run on certain levels of NEW Intel processors that are installed on hardware locked motherboards) and you CANNOT load an alternate OS like Linux on these machines.

These same sorts of machines may have Optane on them, as Optane will only run with the exact right Intel processor paired to the correct version of Windows 10 AND having the correct hardware locked motherboard to support both.

Linux actually really really does work well, much better than Windoz but I have learned that Linux simply is a "bridge too far" for many of the folks here on the list -- they are too mentally captured by their past way too much to even think about using Linux.

Hard fact, on a 11 year old Dell big box refurbished off-lease machine, I get FAST and VERY GOOD service from Linux, so much so that I am good to go for the foreseeable future.   For Free, no less.

The rest of you guys are pending buying a whole new set of new stuff, whether you think you are or not.   Intel and MS want you to HAVE to buy a set of new stuff inside the next calendar year.

However, many of you do already use the Chrome Browser and have done so for what, over 10 years now?   And you use your Android phones too .....  all the time, for about 10 years now too.

So, I recommend you load the free Chrome browser on your Windows box and get used to using it on your desktop as your main browser.   It is "the world's favorite browser" for a good reason, it simply works faster and better than either of the Intel browser flavors do.

Once you get used to it, well then you are now fully trained and can use a Chromebook or ChromeStation at will should the need arise.   Chrome browser and Chromebooks operate identically.   Android on Chromebook operates just like Android does, should you get you one of those more modern Android ready Chromebooks (they are becoming more and more available now at no extra cost).    

Doing it this way gets you the skills you need at no real effort on your part.

Seriously, MS is going to bleed you monthly and squeeze your balls really really hard come upgrade time every few years .....

You will get tired of this action pretty soon, I think.


I really can't take not owning my own machine any more, so I don't use MS at all unless I am gaming on a game that requires it.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #659 - 07/11/17 at 03:33:58
 
Sorry OF, but I went to the Linux site, clicked on a mint mate cinnamon thing and clicked download, nothing happened and after repeated clicks on download, still nothing happened. This is why people won't have it on.
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