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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #660 - 07/11/17 at 03:40:53
 

If you are a long term windows user you likely lack a lot of the systems skills needed to download ISO images and burning DVDs, etc. on your own.

For folks who find all this too confusing, go here:

www.shoplinuxonline.com/mint.html

and buy you a DVD that is already prepared -- but first make sure your DVD drive on your Windows box is actually still working correctly and it is a for real DVD drive instead of just a CD drive.


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Seriously, for JC and those like him I really do recommend just getting Chrome Browser on their machine and start using it 100% of the time, getting ready for what is coming without breaking your brains too badly.

Just changing browsers will be enough strain for you, likely enough.
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Reply #661 - 07/11/17 at 03:58:47
 
Taken the risk, brought the disk.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #662 - 07/11/17 at 04:00:34
 
Got Chrome a while ago, but it is brain taxing.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #663 - 07/11/17 at 04:01:33
 

Yeah, at $3.99 it is an acceptable risk.    

Using Chrome means asking the web how to do things, you can always get a you tube or a web instruction for anything you have to do on Chrome.

It is not like you don't have to do this same thing every time your MS browser changes a version or updates itself and starts working differently.

Think of it as exercising your brain -- brain jumping jacks, brain push ups.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #664 - 07/11/17 at 08:23:21
 
Brain jogging is dangerous.
Ya trip and fall and skin a lobe..
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #665 - 07/12/17 at 16:27:54
 
I bought a $25 computer a month or so ago off of the bay and installed Mint 18.1 Cinnamon on it. It's a little low on memory with only 2 gig and a small processor (atom dual core 1.6), 250gb hard drive.  The whole system is roughly 7.5 inches square and about an inch and a half thick.

It performs quite well.  There are a few things about Cinnamon that I don't really care for but it works. The system's got Nvidia Ion video and can render 1080p video at 25 to 30 percent processor utilization. HDMI port and optical SPDIF too.

The Linux install didn't take too long.  When it was done and rebooted, it notified me that there were better video drivers out there and offered to install, which I did.  I may up it to 4 gig of RAM, the max, to help things move a little better but I really have no complaints with it as it is.

I use Firefox on it for browsing and haven't had any trouble at all with it.

I also tried it with Mepis with a full KDE install.  I performed well. A little slower than Mint but with the extra overhead for the desktop, I expected it.  Mepis didn't offer to install the updated video drivers or recognize the SPDIF out capabilities.  Went back to Mint and have been there ever since.

You can download the ISO and a utility for Windoze to make yourself a bootable USB flash drive for install also, if you prefer to do it that way or have a machine without DVD drive.

With the ease of install, the instructions and utilities available to help with the install and the polish of the OS, these days anybody can install and use Mint.
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Reply #666 - 07/12/17 at 17:19:54
 

Steve, those of us who had the chops have already tried Linux and Mint, etc. several times going back a decade ago -- to us it sure has gotten much better and is very easy to use and to install.

Thinking back, though, I am reminded of a man I worked for who never installed anything (he had IT do it for him either at work or at Best Buy).

If it didn't come with the new machine, he never even thought about adding it or using it.

He also traded in his cars every 3-4 years.    And yes, he'd buy a new computer if it got "old" or at the first instance of "outdated" (or needed purging).

Point is, some people HAVE no computer knowledge or skills nor any real desire to grow any.

If you can coax these sorts into using Chrome browser for enough time to settle in with it, then they do have a path they can follow post MS.

Or they can just chose to continue to get their balls squeezed and their pocket picked by good ol' Glitchy Mickey .....


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I still have some old MS habits still in my head, left over from long long ago.   I don't intentionally run more than 2-3 open tabs on a browser (too many tabs made Windoze crash a lot back in the day).   This logic still works at work BTW, but now I got a new work related Windows Explorer cranking up ad tabs on its very own until it chokes and dies several times a shift.


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This morning I read a good bit about the newest from the 7nm memory wars that are going on between Samsung and all the rest of the memory players.   These boys now have working 5nm EUV processes that they are now coaxing into steady production mode.

Memory production is where all new lithography development jells into reality -- get a memory line working at 5nm and you never shut it off, it runs non-stop from failure to failure from that point on.  You work on getting it to run faster and run longer between failures, but you never stop running it ---- until it gets totally obsoleted by a lower lithography process you can still sell everything you make off that line.

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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #667 - 07/12/17 at 18:02:33
 
I agree completely that there are some who just don't want to do it differently.  "This has worked for years, why change it?" My boss is one of these people. He won't touch a computer. We have to print off his emails and give them to him and reply for him.

Chrome will definitely help with that.  If there were a version of chromeOS for the PC, I'd probably try it. I have used the Chrome browser for years. Prefer Firefox but I can use the unstable Chrome.  Sometimes I find that Chrome works better with a certain site than firefox so I use it there.  It's nice to have choices.

I've used Linux for years for one reason or another or just be somewhat versed in it in case the need arose.  I spent about 15 years as a computer service tech.  That job pretty much dried up with the move from computers being something fancy to them being another cheap appliance. When a new machine was $300 and had a 3 year warranty, it was hard for many people to justify $150 or $200 to repair a 3 year old one. Now, it's theprovince of some $9 per hr kid at best buy who has no idea what he's doing.

Some will stay with MS until the bitter end. There's nothing we can do but offer them options.  It's up to them to make the choice.  The easier the change, the more likely they are to not be stuck when MS comes out and says thats the end of the road for this product.

Any sort of ad blocker available for that new Explorer? I haven't played with IE in years and haven't missed it at all.

If the 5nm memory works out well and helps them work the bugs out of the lines, that will be another jump in litho levels for processors.  There's only so far they can go with shrinking things to get them closer together for better power consumption and performance.  They will eventually hit an insurmountable wall.  
They are already wasting processing capabilities by having rotating cores 'cause they can't efficiently cool them. Doesn't do a lot of good to have a 16 core processor when only 4, 6, or 8 can be used due to thermal runaway considerations. Make an 8 core than can run full out all the time.

Whatever happens in the next 10 years in computing, it's going to be interesting. I am expecting some major shake-ups.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #668 - 07/12/17 at 18:19:12
 

The druids all say, "all goes to Tensor Flow and graphics based AI inside 5-7 years and then moves selectively to Quantum in 10-20 for mostly mainframe sized applications to begin with".

Tensor AI is real right now, and has most of the same applications as "bit on off" type programming does.   Google and ARM are leading the way into Tensor using the new DynamIQ Processor modular system that Automotive is driving the needs for.   This open source Processor control system is supported by Android and by ARM and by the SOC builders who have all bought design licenses to do the first wave of 7nm DynamIQ which rolls off the presses next year.  

By 2020 ARM says we will be seeing "up to 50x improvements in throughput" at 0.7 volts supplied to the processor using the "properly learned" Tensor AI tricks in DynamIQ.    AMD is building Tensor tricks into their co-joined GPUs and have a shared chip memory system already going into their current new Ryzen processor generations.  

Tensor will be the next wave of processor type that we all roll over to and that is why both Intel and MS are laying off all that they can and getting ready structurally for a major Industry Wide evolution.

Quantum is TOTALLY DIFFERENT, and is really best used at solving fuzzy problems that "bit on off" really can't handle.

THE END OF MOORES LAW IS COMING VERY SOON.   Some say it is already here for Intel as Intel simply can't shrink any more past 10nm using the current x86 based chip technology.       (Intel says so, anyway, everybody else is busy going to 7nm and 5nm right now as we speak)

Now that the DynamIQ boys all have memory production running on what they are calling 5nm they are now predicting the lithography shrink all ends at 3-2nm .........

At 2nm old Buggs Bunny pops out of the screen and says
"That-That-That's All Folks !!!"
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #669 - 07/13/17 at 01:51:43
 
Well OF, on your advice I installed Chrome some time ago but stuck with Bing because of familiarity. I'm now trying to use Chrome all the time as you suggested. Adblock plus went funny for a while, but now seems to be functioning ok on both systems, although Chrome actually tells me the number of ads being blocked. Web surfing is going ok, although a Norton "Safe Search" tried to block a few things, I think I've worked out how to by pass that. Not sure if I notice any great increase in surfing speed and Chrome seems to take a while to load up. I won't try the yet to arrive Linux disc until I've changed houses in a month or so, then I'll see how I get on.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #670 - 07/14/17 at 13:44:54
 
jcstokes wrote on 07/13/17 at 01:51:43:
Web surfing is going ok, although a Norton "Safe Search" tried to block a few things, I think I've worked out how to by pass that.


Do yourself a favor and get rid of Norton. It is one of the worst/most hacked anti-virus/security programs out there.  There are way better choices than Norton or McAfee. I use Avast on my Windows computers and Mac Mini.
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Reply #671 - 07/16/17 at 14:15:03
 
12 Bravo, thanks for that info, which I shall bear in mind. I'm sure I can get round Safe Search ok, still feeling my way with the Chrome, so changes will come a bit later.
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Reply #672 - 07/17/17 at 23:25:33
 

https://liliputing.com/2017/07/jide-ends-development-of-remix-os-for-consumers.h
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You remember Jide, the little pilot fish company that fronted all the development of the Android Phone / PC stuff.   Mysterious little company formed up of Googe people working on their 20% "free time" lead by a core team of full time ex-Googlers.

Well, now that Google has all that stuff fully active in Android 9.0 now, what is Jide gonna do with itself?

Jide has revealed a number of interesting products over the last few years, from the $70 Remix Mini PC to the Remix Pro 2-in-1. Just last month, Jide kicked off beta testing for the Remix C1 tablet in China.

Consumers may never get the chance to buy a C1… Or any other Remix device, for that matter.

Development of Remix OS for PC is also being halted, and it’s likely that Remix OS for mobile (also known as Singularity), will never see the light of day either… although Jide clearly wasn’t the only company working on a solution that lets you use your phone as an Android-powered desktop PC.

Jide certainly has a sound enough reason for making a major pivot. According to a post on their official blog, Jide has received a good deal of interest from the corporate sector. Jide says there’s “huge potential in the role [they] can play to revolutionize how these businesses operate.”


Well, you could say "Jide, go front us by breaking into business in a big big way".  Take all your open source contacts that you were leading and lead them as a group into revolutionizing a fully functional business style Android based (Chrome based) world picture.  

With EVE and the upcoming Tensor (CPU and GPU integration), we now have the level of kickass hardware that you need to do the job, so now we need the specific Apps and systems refinements all fleshed out to make a really appealing business system out of it.

If you can state what you need to do this job, we can have it tucked into stock Android and ChromeOS inside one to two update cycles.

Why the distanced, hands off approach?   Microsoft lives to sue their direct major competitors who threaten them plus MS loves to orchestrate third parties into suing their challengers.  

So, Jide primarily acts as a sacrificial cut out should things go tits up, just like they did with phone / PC.   Plus, as a known little guy the rest of FOSS trusts Jide as Jide has developed a very good reputation with the Android x386 and the Linux FOSS communities.

Google does like to try to keep their skirts clean .....  "do no evil" ..... all that sorta stuff.   By preserving Jide into the future Google signals they are still a good FOSS player who will treat their partners well as things mature and the landscape shifts under everybody.

Google must be seen as impartial and as trustworthy as Switzerland, else the other major players would start seeing them as a potential threat again just as they did back when Google was forced to dump off the just bought Motorola for exactly these same reasons.

Pivoting Jide over to a new task also opens the way for Samsung and the others to "fully own" the new Phone PC space and to compete freely with each other in making it "theirs".


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Open source members have now picked up the Jide functionality and are pushing it forward under their own branding.   This is being interpreted in two different ways, one being Google wants a key team broken free and pivoted over to a new task and the other one being that the Phone PC idea is a total flop and Google is simply cutting their losses.

We shall see in good time, as the functionality of the  Phone PC is available in the new Android for all players to use at will.
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Re: Android/Chrome vs Windows 10
Reply #673 - 07/25/17 at 14:33:14
 

Intel made two moves this week, the first was to totally terminate their Internet of Things support efforts as what they had developed for chips was a joke and nobody would buy it no matter how much the bribe since there was no software support for it..  

The next thing Intel did was to cancel all support for the Intel based single board computers -- all cut off, no promises made for support software, etc. will ever be kept.   Warehouse stocks of unsold single board computers will be discounted or scrapped by the unlucky dogs that happen to be holding this stinky sack of discontinued Intel Dragon "mud".

Intel also had a press conference showing off their brand new VR chipset -- it is HUGE and expensive and it too won't sell a single one in the real world.

SIDE NOTE: Samsung and Qualcomm are now producing and moving a whole lot of 10nm Snapdragon 835 chipsets right now, in the final six months before the next wave of 7nm replacement superchips are announced for 2018.

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Reply #674 - 07/25/17 at 14:41:16
 
And you understand how that impacts consumers and the industry as a whole,, but I don't.
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