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01/16/16 at 11:15:54
 
I always thought cheaper oil would create more economic opportunity, however, the start of this year has hammered my diversified holdings, in the market.
This is a fund my employer matches up to 8%, if I do 8%, of my gross, pretax.
I do that plus an additional 4%, so its not chump change, but its not my egg either.

It seems they are all pointing to the oil slump as to why.....
Not sure I can wrap an understanding around that.
I read now that Obama has given Iran their freedom back, they plan to enter their reserves back on the market to.
To my thinking I would say this would be great news for the consumer, but I appear wrong in my thinking and they believe this will add further strain on the market and with other producing countries in the region.
If you have not heard, Valenzuela, which sits on huge oil reserves, and 95 percent of its exporting income is generated from that market, is experiencing triple digit inflation....

Seems if oil goes up, we get hosed, if it goes down, they use the same f'n hose, on us....

WTF, anybody up on this?  
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Reply #1 - 01/16/16 at 13:23:51
 
I saw the
Get out of the stock market
Signs months ago. The question you ask is a several hours long conversation and then lots of what I would have offered would be speculative. There's, IMO,a sort of sliding scale to consider.
Oil gets expensive, people spend eighty bucks to fill up, so, discretionary spending drops, hurting the overall economy.
Oil gets cheap, well, WHY did it get cheap? Oversupply or dollar strengthening?
If it's dollar strengthening, then that's Deflation. Talk about a Keynesians worst nightmare. And, if it Truly IS dollar strengthening, then wouldn't it also hold true that if fewer dollars are needed to buy a barrel of oil, wouldn't it also require fewer dollars to buy a stock?
Now, what if it's a combination? Ohh, look at the variables That throws in.
Look up
Number of barrels of oil in storage

How many oil tankers are loaded and parked?
Zero, for all I know, but maybe not.

At some point the lower price starts to bring drilling to a halt.
Look up
Rig count
A sharp downturn won't immediately affect drilling. Rigs that are running keep running. Contracts are signed to drill, penalty clauses....
Oil companies have to maintain cash flow to pay for the drilling contractors they hired and to keep production up.
Look up
Lift costs per barrel of oil


Then, in spite of all the rosy rhetoric, the unemployment figure is NOT 6%, it's Way more. You Do know that when someone has gotten all the unemployment benefits they have coming that they are then no longer counted as Unemployed, right?

Check out
Shadowstats


Homeless people don't drive to work a lot, either.

P.S.,

A quart is STILL four bucks.
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Reply #2 - 01/19/16 at 22:13:57
 
$1.67 gas and falling
gets much lower and somebody is going to start another war
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Reply #3 - 01/20/16 at 05:16:58
 
Oil is a commodity and subject to price fluctuation because of supply and demand. The world economy is slow right now and oil production has remained steady so the prices are dropping. It's nothing more than that.

politicians,  mostly Democrats of course, wanted to crucify oil executives a few years ago for "obscene" profits and they slapped additional taxes on them. Now that their revenues are dropping, shouldn't Hilary and Sanders be jumping for joy! To bad for people nearing retirement whose investments are tanking....

It's like Walmart...... Democrats hate Walmart until they close doors and lay people off, then they demand they open them back up.

Liberal Democrats are the dumbest people on the planet.
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Reply #4 - 01/20/16 at 06:05:32
 
Sorry web, I am throwing the BS flag.
I believe they pretend it's free market, it ain't.
We get gouged with too much demand or not enough  Angry
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Reply #5 - 01/20/16 at 06:37:51
 
I don't know how real or valid this is, but I saw a coupla points made and saw them as good food for thought.

Is it time to get ready for four dollar gas?


I watched a Bush , when told about how much the Europeans pay for gas, Say
I don't see why we can't have that here.
One more News moment seen only once.
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Condensate-Con-How-Real-Is-The-...
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Reply #6 - 01/20/16 at 08:19:39
 
WebsterMark wrote on 01/20/16 at 05:16:58:
Oil is a commodity and subject to price fluctuation because of supply and demand. The world economy is slow right now and oil production has remained steady so the prices are dropping. It's nothing more than that.

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I know we have a BS flag, but is there a 'naivety' flag?
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Reply #7 - 01/20/16 at 08:26:01
 
Oil is on the commodity market...
It is a gambling chip, subject to speculation.
This also affects price.

...as an aside... wouldn't this be a good time to add say a 50 cent tax to gas,... to be used to fix our roads and infrastructure?...
I know,.. nobody wants more taxes... but roads suck!....
Damaging the heck out of our rides... Huh

AAA: pothole damage costs drivers $6.4 billion a year
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/24/potholes-damage-cost-us/577...
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Reply #8 - 01/20/16 at 10:44:27
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/20/16 at 08:26:01:
Oil is on the commodity market...
It is a gambling chip, subject to speculation.
This also affects price.

...as an aside... wouldn't this be a good time to add say a 50 cent tax to gas,... to be used to fix our roads and infrastructure?...
I know,.. nobody wants more taxes... but roads suck!....
Damaging the heck out of our rides... Huh

AAA: pothole damage costs drivers $6.4 billion a year
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/24/potholes-damage-cost-us/577...



No, because oil prices will return to where they were. You want to fix roads? Dump obamacare and use that money.....!
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Reply #9 - 01/20/16 at 10:49:31
 
raydawg wrote on 01/20/16 at 06:05:32:
Sorry web, I am throwing the BS flag.
I believe they pretend it's free market, it ain't.
We get gouged with too much demand or not enough  Angry


Well, its true that oil has unique supply pressures and its also true that any product bought and sold in such large volumes  is never totally  operating in a free market environment. After all, we're not talking about snowcones being sold on the corner.
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Reply #10 - 01/20/16 at 15:41:11
 
https://mises.org/blog/its-not-just-supply-issue-oil-price-falls-35-dollars-barr
el-1

And I learned stuff here

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Condensate-Con-How-Real-Is-The-...

Just Exactly WHAT is that oil that is in storage?
Since we Have so much oil stored, why the continued import numbers? Unless we are Buying with dollars from someone who has agreed to purchase T Bills with the money or the Glut is unrefineable unless it's blended with some heavy crude or some combination of the two....
Food for thought for the few who actually think.


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https://mises.org/blog/its-not-just-supply-issue-oil-price-falls-35-dollars-barr
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Reply #11 - 01/20/16 at 15:53:52
 
How low will the price of oil go?  I suspect it will go to $20 a barrel.  Even Iran is going to start exporting oil as well.  

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Reply #12 - 01/20/16 at 17:07:59
 
This link was sent to me, I found it very plausible, it seems to cover a lot of possibilities into this oil market.

http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/the-high-cost-of-cheap-gas?roi=echo3-3179...  
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Reply #13 - 01/20/16 at 18:23:32
 
HovisPresley wrote on 01/20/16 at 08:19:39:
WebsterMark wrote on 01/20/16 at 05:16:58:
Oil is a commodity and subject to price fluctuation because of supply and demand. The world economy is slow right now and oil production has remained steady so the prices are dropping. It's nothing more than that.

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I know we have a BS flag, but is there a 'naivety' flag?


Yea, check next to your tin foil hat conspiracy flag.
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Reply #14 - 01/20/16 at 18:40:06
 
. Up to half of all oil production in the Eagle Ford Shale qualifies as condensate, according to the federal Energy Information Administration, and it makes up as much as 12 percent of all U.S. crude production. The big oil and gas players are rushing to build specialty refineries known as splitters that can process this condensate into natural gas and other hydrocarbons. Despite this construction, the U.S. still has more condensate than we can handle, and outdated federal rules dating back to the Arab Oil Crisis prohibit its export.
http://www.chron.com/opinion/editorials/article/Complex-condensate-5585762.php

OPINION section, but looks pretty solid.
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