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02/16/16 at 11:29:28

I was never a Trump fan, but I would have voted for him if he as the guy, but no more. I'm done with him. Blaming Bush for 9/11 told me he'd throw anyone under the bus to save himself. I dont believe he'd ever intentionally hurt the nation like obama, but Trump could unintentionally do far worse.
Besides, I could never trust him with court picks.

Bye-bye Donald.

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Re: Against Trump
Reply #1 - 02/16/16 at 12:32:28

Trump back off on that already this on Good Morning America this morning. Again, bluster for effect only - it got him lots of press time. Remember he's financing his own campaign and doesn't have any PACs throwing money his way.
Truthfully, both Clinton before him, and Bush had lots of intelligence, warning about bin Laden. During Clinton's time, one sniper had bin Laden in his sights, and was on his satellite phone to get the OK to pull the trigger. Permission was denied by the Pentagon.
I am a GWB fan, but no one is perfect - we could have gotten bin Laden well before 9/11, but no one got serious about the intel warnings.

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Re: Against Trump
Reply #2 - 02/16/16 at 13:44:27

I know how few are REALLY paying attention, but I do.
And I REMEMBER things that others don't. And it's made connecting dots easier.

August 2001 - Minnesota FBI agents are refused permission, by their Washington office, to obtain a search warrant for Moussaoui's computer.

Really? Why? We can Waterboard someone who is Not convicted of anything,but, ohh, to search the computer of someone who Was On the Radar? Ohh, heaven forbid.

I guess I'm the only one who remembers the puzzled look on the face of the secret service agents as they were pulled away from JFKs car moments before the shots were fired.

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Jerry Eichenberger Serious Thumper Offline 2006 S40. OEM windshield, saddle bags, Sportster Posts: 2919 Columbus, Ohio Gender:	Re: Against Trump Reply #3 - 02/16/16 at 13:47:43 JOG - Please show us a picture of the agents with that look on their faces.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Against Trump Reply #4 - 02/16/16 at 15:04:22 WebsterMark wrote on 02/16/16 at 11:29:28: I was never a Trump fan, but I would have voted for him if he was the... devil opposed to Hellery. and his threats to sue Cruz cause now he is a threat... and he lies. pot calling the kettle black (is that pc?)
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5274 In Transit	Re: Against Trump Reply #5 - 02/16/16 at 15:12:36 Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 02/16/16 at 13:47:43: JOG - Please show us a picture of the agents with that look on their faces. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8 Best regards,
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Re: Against Trump
Reply #6 - 02/16/16 at 16:35:50

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 02/16/16 at 12:32:28:

Trump back off on that already this on Good Morning America this morning. Again, bluster for effect only - it got him lots of press time.

If I thought this was all part of the plan, I'd be all in for him cause that would show an amazing talent, but that isn't the case in my opinion. He's not the guy to lead us back from the brink. I wish he were, I really do.

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Re: Against Trump
Reply #7 - 02/16/16 at 16:52:05

Man I respect Jerry E. but when I saw Trump throw a temper tantrum with threats of lawsuits, and 3rd party candidacy, if he doesn't get his way, well, I was aghast.

Presently Sanders is drawing my attention.
I am not afraid of the socialist tag, they try to hang on him.
I think his ideas have merit, and possibilities, how we get there, is the question.
It won't be easy, and of course those who have the greatest power and wealth, will be kicking and screaming.
However, again, this system is not working and the cliff draws ever closer.
This country has some great enterprising, and entrepreneurship minds, among them, we can do better, for all.
We will have to have accountability, and say no, to those who refuse to take responsibility, but pave the way for those who can, and will, thrive and contribute, to the betterment of all.
We can take some of the chance, of birth and circumstance, out of succeeding in life, by offering real opportunity to all.

Lets build up, lord knows we have torn down way too much already, and we have only ourselves to blame Angry

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Re: Against Trump
Reply #8 - 02/16/16 at 17:19:46

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 02/16/16 at 13:47:43:

JOG -
Please show us a picture of the agents with that look on their faces.

Thank You, PG,,

That help you any, Jerry?

Maybe that will be sufficient for JUST ONE PERSON to stop just dismissing what I say as the rantings of a
Conspiracy Theorist
, a phrase concocted after the murder of JFK, to discredit people who think for themselves rather than just swallow the oFISHYal story.

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Oct 7, 2015 - Now we learn that the CIA chief at the time did all he could to bury "incendiary" information. ... It was to concoct fictions and diversions, most devoted to bureaucratic ass-covering.

The education system was SABOTAGED.
The NEWS is propaganda and used to
Manufacture Consent

Look it up.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national

Understand that people are manipulating society to accomplish an end. It's been camouflaged, painted sweet, loving, rainbow colors and named good things, like compassion and caring and progressive.

And we've been herded down the path, approaching the cliff.
The so called Money we carry? Counterfeit.
The Education System that was broken?

WHEN it was Declared BROKEN, America was LEADING THE WORLD in everything. So, what was so broken?
And when they said
Here, we will Fix it.
It started downhill.

Did they UNDO what they had Done to FIX IT?
FiretrUCK, NO!
They just went on making
Necessary Adjustments.

Ohh, lookie,, now, we spend more per pupil and come in about THIRTIETH in the world..

OOPSIES,,

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Re: Against Trump
Reply #9 - 02/17/16 at 13:15:34

Raydawg - I cannot understand how any thinking person can be a Sanders supporter. first, he's a one issue candidate - trying to insure that we all live in an equal state of mediocrity. He is clueless about foreign policy, military matters, macro economics, and a dozen other subjects that a POTUS should be a least conversant about.
His idea of free college is absurd. Paying for it with a transaction tax on financial deals - a 15 year old knows more about finance than does Bernie.
Bernie and Jane are leftovers from the hippie generation of the 1960s, and they still think like hippies, and Jane still looks like one.

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Re: Against Trump
Reply #10 - 02/17/16 at 13:28:52

Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 02/17/16 at 13:15:34:

Raydawg - I cannot understand how any thinking person can be a Sanders supporter. first, he's a one issue candidate - trying to insure that we all live in an equal state of mediocrity. He is clueless about foreign policy, military matters, macro economics, and a dozen other subjects that a POTUS should be a least conversant about.
His idea of free college is absurd. Paying for it with a transaction tax on financial deals - a 15 year old knows more about finance than does Bernie.
Bernie and Jane are leftovers from the hippie generation of the 1960s, and they still think like hippies, and Jane still looks like one.

Every Bit of that
Plus
HE believes in Mandatory Vaccination.

Even IF you can prove that they are 100% Safe and Effective, that is tyrannical.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29676 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Against Trump Reply #11 - 02/17/16 at 16:15:03 Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 02/17/16 at 13:15:34: Raydawg - I cannot understand how any thinking person can be a Sanders supporter. Funny,... I feel the same way about Trump... Might as well vote for a Kardashian...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Against Trump Reply #12 - 02/17/16 at 16:49:25 Serowbot wrote on 02/17/16 at 16:15:03: Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 02/17/16 at 13:15:34: Raydawg - I cannot understand how any thinking person can be a Sanders supporter. Funny,... I feel the same way about Trump... Might as well vote for a Kardashian... You didn't explain why.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29676 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Against Trump Reply #13 - 02/17/16 at 17:26:56 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/17/16 at 16:49:25: You didn't explain why. ???... ... ??? JOG,.. go take the IQ test in the Cafe'... I need proof of brain activity...
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Re: Against Trump
Reply #14 - 02/17/16 at 17:52:15

I understand what Sanders "represents" to the opposition.
Is he not allowed the same "campaigning" liberties you are extending to Trump?
His support in at a grassroots level, not BIG backers like many.

I understand his ideas have a cost, but I also understand he alone can not make it happen.

I am just tired of the SOS and am willing to give something else a try.

I won't decide until later after all the carnival shows have subsided and we can get some real debate and feedback.

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