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Reply #30 - 03/15/16 at 15:50:49
 
pg wrote on 03/15/16 at 15:43:18:
HovisPresley wrote on 03/15/16 at 15:20:21:
We must get the disgruntled to grunt more to stop that from happening.


WE, you're on the other side of the pond.  What your guy and the pig?   Grin

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Reply #31 - 03/15/16 at 16:02:58
 
HovisPresley wrote on 03/15/16 at 15:50:49:
pg wrote on 03/15/16 at 15:43:18:
HovisPresley wrote on 03/15/16 at 15:20:21:
We must get the disgruntled to grunt more to stop that from happening.


WE, you're on the other side of the pond.  What your guy and the pig?   Grin

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Reply #32 - 03/15/16 at 20:51:28
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/15/16 at 13:59:09:
Not all Muslims are terrorists, I know that,
The number of insane Catholics and Christians and Atheists
who have blown stuff up or shot people is pretty low.
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Well, it depends where you look. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_...
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Reply #33 - 03/16/16 at 04:11:58
 
And when,, and, if you DO go back to that time and look, you'll see evidence of bombings that just might not have been done by the people who were Accused of it, on the news. I WAS talking about the world, today, since the topic is Trump, and the ideas and problems of today.
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Reply #34 - 03/16/16 at 07:03:55
 
HovisPresley wrote on 03/15/16 at 11:57:29:
Take Trump's words and substitute the word 'Muslim' with the word 'Jew' and tell me it doesn't remind you of someone....and even he wasn't as obnoxiously vain as to call himself 'The Adolf' ......


No one ever remembers the good things Hitler did - everyone focuses on that little genocide hiccup.

In a time where people were starving to death, when a wheelbarrow of money couldn't even buy a loaf of bread, when unemployment was rampant he gave everyone a job. Unemployment dropped to zero. Everyone was well taken care of. Everyone had access to media because he gave every citizen a radio. He created hunting regulations and saved species from extinction. He banned vivisection. Promoted alternative energy. Organized healthcare.

Let's sweep that whole genocide thing away. Honestly, do you think Trump is going to try to eradicate all the Jews? Do you think any person would stand for that? Let alone, any nation? Especially not with Russia as a new emerging power.

So aside from genocide, which item from the list above do you take issue with?


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Reply #35 - 03/16/16 at 07:29:57
 
However, Time magazine points out that controversial figures such as Adolf Hitler (1938), Joseph Stalin (1939 and 1942), Nikita Khrushchev (1957) and Ayatollah Khomeini (1979) have also been granted the title for their impacts. In 1999, the title was changed to Person of the Year.
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And, can we stick with Honesty and Reason?

Look at what the Muslim refugees have done to the societies they have been welcomed by. The rapes and destruction of property,economic impact, the list goes on and on.
I don't care What group it is, to CHOOSE to import people who are refugees, NOT exactly likely to assimilate and be productive, into a society Already heavily burdened in the Social Welfare division, and largely suffering from unemployment, to BRING a group of people who have been shown to have a disruptive, to be overly kind, effect on the societies that they have been introduced into is just Stupid. The truly stunning group think mentality that it's just Morally Wrong to NOT import this obvious dangerous mob is what I can't grasp.
The media are downplaying the reality of what they are doing. Earlier on in this fiasco we Were getting more pictures and stories about the violent nature of the refugees.

And, in spite of the good sense that Trump has demonstrated by suggesting we halt their immigration, UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT, I recently head that Paul Ryan was celebrating the passage of a bill that would pay for the visas and whatever else to get 300,000 of them in. I hope I remembered that number right.

Gee Wh i z, if that's NOT an attempt to bring the Cloward and Piven strategy into play, it sure would look like it to the casual observer.



Jam this into a search engine.


muslim refugees in europe


IF you can find pictures, note the ratio of late teens to mid thirties looking Men and compare That to women and children.
The Men, who I would expect to stay and fight for their country, seem to be the majority of the refugees. I DOUBT they are as laughably ignorant as to WHY they became refugees as the people who are watching them march across their lands, demanding better treatment and raping and killing as they go.
They are Angry AND there are enough men In that mob who have the idea that they are going to change the ideology Of the countries that they are stomping through BY raping and impregnating as many as possible.

Yeah, let's import us some of That.
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Reply #36 - 03/16/16 at 08:23:53
 
Paraquat wrote on 03/16/16 at 07:03:55:
No one ever remembers the good things Hitler did - everyone focuses on that little genocide hiccup.
Let's sweep that whole genocide thing away.

--Steve


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Gee, yer' right...  When you set aside that whole genocide thing,... Hitler was way better than Trump will ever be....

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Reply #37 - 03/16/16 at 09:06:06
 
JoG is on point.

You can't fill the glass if your pitcher is empty.
We should focus on ourselves before we try to lend a hand to others.

In the event of a decompression, an oxygen mask will automatically appear in front of you. To start the flow of oxygen, pull the mask towards you. Place it firmly over your nose and mouth, secure the elastic band behind your head, and breathe normally. Although the bag does not inflate, oxygen is flowing to the mask. If you are traveling with a child or someone who requires assistance, secure your mask on first, and then assist the other person.


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Reply #38 - 03/16/16 at 10:04:29
 
If a country takes in a million refugees that are rapists, I'd expect the annual/national 'rape figures' to increase dramatically.
If only one in ten were a rapist, that's 100,000 more rapes!
Where and when did these happen?  Roll Eyes

There was media hysteria when a small number (any number is unforgivable) of women who were 'allegedly' sexually assaulted whilst they were in a red-light area (between the station and the cathedral in Cologne) partying/passing through at night on New Years Eve.

JoG, you of all people surely don't take the media at face value.  Huh

If Trump (or anyone) believes that they should not let in immigrants (irony aside!) into the US (which is in the worst 10 countries world-wide for most rape offenses) should think again.

But as you know, the media likes to 'sell' news.
It's a business not a service.
'Big Brother' creates the 'new enemy', the media stirs it up, the public in their arm-chairs lap it up, etc, etc.

So "Look at what the Muslim refugees have done in the countries that welcomed them"......
Tell me, please.
This afternoon I have to go to the local 'grocery store' (muslim or hindu), and then go to my next-door neighbour (either Kurdish muslim, or a family of Romanians) to pick up a parcel that the postie left for me (hopefully my new fork boots!) whilst I leave on charge the device created by Steve Jobs (son of a Syrian refugee).

What I'm trying to say is that the immigrants/refugees aren't the enemy themselves.
Their reputation is another victim of media manipulation for political ends.


Trump's "UNTIL WE GET THIS SORTED OUT" suggests the he can 'iron out' the age-old friction between religions which is behind the fear of immigrants.
He is after votes and says what he thinks will get votes.
Think of him as a politician more than a businessman.
He didn't know how to deal with the US Marine who showed his (muslim) Identity Card.
But Trump had to make the ban sound 'temporary' so not to sound too extreme.
(Note, around the time that the UK parliament was discussing banning Trump from the UK, interesting PR for a potential President).

Back to the British Isles, thanks Nigel for emphasizing my point about the 10,000 bomb attacks in these islands (during my life-time) between fundamentalist christian radicals who created their own 'peoples army', etc, etc.

Talking of bloodshed.....on behalf of the rest of the planet, please don't vote Trump for president.
Heed JoG's warning of the new Adolf.....  




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Reply #39 - 03/16/16 at 11:13:41
 
Dude. I DGAF about your neighbor in the UK. I don't care if he dresses up as Santa and entertains at orphanages. Congratulations. You found the ONE outlier.
I live in the US. I have first hand knowledge. We're porked. Hard.

Two billionaires are moving from Connecticut to Florida. It's such an occasion that the local newspaper felt the need to write an article on it.

http://www.courant.com/business/dan-haar/hc-haar-forbes-list-thomas-peterffy-...

28,000 people left last year according to another article.

http://ctsenaterepublicans.com/2016/02/fasano-witkos-outward-migration-will-l...

Two houses next door to me are for sale (and it's not because of me).
Connecticut alone is facing a 1.2 billion dollar deficit in 2016, an estimated 1.6 in 2017, and an estimated 2+ billion dollar deficit by 2018.
We're in no shape right now. I would advise we don't let in any refugees at this time. Not Muslim, not Mongolian (only for alliteration), not Martians - not until we stabilize ourselves. It's not being xenophobic. It's being self sufficient.

Pouring from an empty pitcher? Did I mention that?

The thing about the oxygen mask you glazed over?

Maybe making the numbers smaller would help you understand it?
If you are on a life raft and only have enough food to feed four people for five days, you'd be a bit hesitant to take on another party of four people if you were more than a week from shore.

If you have four slices of bread and four people. Everyone gets one slice.
If you introduce four more people now everyone gets half a slice. Everyone gets less.
But what if there isn't enough bread to give the original four a slice to begin with?


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Reply #40 - 03/16/16 at 13:15:10
 
Of course I don't take the media at face value. I Stated so. They are UNDER reporting what is happening.

And I'm Sick and TIRED of being told I'm afraid
I'm not AFRAID of a flat tire, but I'm Prepared for one, AND, I don't intentionally Drive through piles of nails. I'm not STUPID.
I'm aware. Not wanting to Import trouble doesn't mean that I am Afraid. I'm not Afraid of gravity, but, at my age, I don't jump off of houses any more.
Why do lefties pretend that wisdom is being fearful?
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Reply #41 - 03/16/16 at 13:51:59
 
WOW! You don't Really think that ten percent of ANY population are rapists, do you?


If a country takes in a million refugees that are rapists, I'd expect the annual/national 'rape figures' to increase dramatically.
If only one in ten were a rapist, that's 100,000 more rapes!
Where and when did these happen?  

Your internet connection busted?
Go digging. Look at what happened in Germany. Police telling citizens to watch how they dress. Travel without a friend, bad idea.
You can have our share.
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Reply #42 - 03/16/16 at 13:54:58
 
Steve, there is a world economic 'recession/depression'.

The US is in the top ten nations as far as standards of living goes, according to the IMF, the World Bank, etc.

You have lots of bread on your raft, relatively to others.

Most of the countries that have taken refugees in are poorer countries with a lower GDP/PPP than the US.

Do people learn from the reactions of the Californians to the "Okies" in the last depression?
The Okies were from a different place (maybe even a 'desert'), spoke differently and were often pennyless! Deja vu?

It doesn't take Einstein (another immigrant/refugee) to see that it's the same thing but on a national scale.

Steve, with respect, I do think your country G.A.F. about people such as my neighbour, as you hear little but paranoid hysteria when it comes to the mention of immigrant muslim males of working age.
Btw, 'Outlier' is an interesting choice of word.  Huh

Your link mentions 3 billionaires, you mention 2, however,
2 of the 3 are immigrants (I believe, refugees possibly from war-torn Europe), interestingly enough.
Why assume that immigrants will all 'drain the pitcher' in the long term?

But if you're right, then the guy next door to me is "the ONE outlier" then I say we should kill all the other dirty rapist muslim immigrant bastards, naturally  Roll Eyes

PS. Hitler's free radios!
The penalty for listening in on foreign stations?
If you listened to anything other than government-approved stations you would risk being sent for interrogation, and then sent away 'on holiday' to lose some weight, and get to wear striped pyjamas.
Hitler saw that a radio in every house (and control of media in general) would make an ideal 'domestic propaganda unit'.
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Reply #43 - 03/16/16 at 13:55:16
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/16/16 at 13:15:10:
Of course I don't take the media at face value. I Stated so. They are UNDER reporting what is happening.

And I'm Sick and TIRED of being told I'm afraid
I'm not AFRAID of a flat tire, but I'm Prepared for one, AND, I don't intentionally Drive through piles of nails. I'm not STUPID.
I'm aware. Not wanting to Import trouble doesn't mean that I am Afraid. I'm not Afraid of gravity, but, at my age, I don't jump off of houses any more.
Why do lefties pretend that wisdom is being fearful?


Jog, that's the smartest couple of paragraphs ever written on here. You're right, I'm not afraid, just smart.
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Reply #44 - 03/16/16 at 14:09:47
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/16/16 at 13:51:59:
WOW! You don't Really think that ten percent of ANY population are rapists, do you?

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Not at all.
Trump's "mexican immigrants are rapists" stance, and your "Look at what the Muslim refugees have done to the societies they have been welcomed by. The rapes and destruction of property..."
I had to pick a figure.
So I chose to go 90% less in my estimation to allow for Trump's exaggeration of Mexicans being rapists.
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