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HovisPresley Serious Thumper Offline Good Vibrations! Posts: 991 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: Trump and violence Reply #45 - 03/16/16 at 14:14:37 JoG, Why do you think they are UNDER reporting events that concern immigrants and refugees in a bad light? What motive would the media have to do anything other than exaggerate/sensationalize something that sells so well?
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Reply #46 - 03/16/16 at 14:39:05

I have a different question to add....
You guys seem so good at solving and understanding your difference of opines Grin

Anyway, let say the repubs circumvent Trump, or Hillary wins, where do all these people go?
By that I mean the energy and issues, and anger?

You think you can put a lid on it?

Will it just simmer until it explodes in such a manner it will be civil unrest on a magnitude to make Watts, Ferguson, etc, seem like a cake walk....

Honestly, how will the issues that is allowing Trump to seemly campaign without consequences, be addressed?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Trump and violence Reply #47 - 03/16/16 at 14:43:15 I'm not typing it all again. But, who comes from Mexico? The community leaders? Business owners?
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Re: Trump and violence
Reply #48 - 03/16/16 at 15:11:52

HovisPresley wrote on 03/16/16 at 14:14:37:

JoG, Why do you think they are UNDER reporting events that concern immigrants and refugees in a bad light?
What motive would the media have to do anything other than exaggerate/sensationalize something that sells so well?

So naive...

The MEDIA are Tools. Used so often to
Manufacture Consent

look that up.

Downplaying the violence By the refugees Over There
Makes it Easier to sucker punch the Dumb Masses here.
Same game as using the media to vilify the people who the establishment want to bomb.

It's not that complicated.

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Reply #49 - 03/16/16 at 16:24:33

raydawg wrote on 03/16/16 at 14:39:05:

... let say the repubs circumvent Trump, or Hillary wins, where do all these people go?
By that I mean the energy and issues, and anger?

They been here for 8 years... they'll be here for 8 more.
Ranting and raving on the internet... listening to Beck, and A. Jones...
Stocking up on bullets, gold, and dried goods... and wearing camo gear...
Same o' same ol'... Huh

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Re: Trump and violence
Reply #50 - 03/16/16 at 17:11:39

Serowbot wrote on 03/16/16 at 16:24:33:

raydawg wrote on 03/16/16 at 14:39:05:

... let say the repubs circumvent Trump, or Hillary wins, where do all these people go?
By that I mean the energy and issues, and anger?

They been here for 8 years... they'll be here for 8 more.
Ranting and raving on the internet... listening to Beck, and A. Jones...
Stocking up on bullets, gold, and dried goods... and wearing camo gear...
Same o' same ol'... Huh

Where have you been?
To say this is the same old same old is to ignore all that has transpired thus far.
Trump has been called out by the right, the left, and even foreign leaders, and appears stronger from it.

Ignore this if you like, I don't think it's going away.

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Reply #51 - 03/16/16 at 18:00:22

I guess that the growing number of people who believe as I believe just means that stupid is contagious, not that the condition of America is actually deteriorating and things are REALLY okay, and getting okayer,,
People WATCHED the bubs Gut the guy who could have won, when they screwed Ron Paul.

How many lefties said
Look, Ron Paul is SO dangerous, even the bubs hate him!

Still can't see it is the Establishment, ?

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Re: Trump and violence
Reply #52 - 03/16/16 at 19:39:07

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... let say the repubs circumvent Trump, or Hillary wins, where do all these people go?
By that I mean the energy and issues, and anger?

Sooner or later they go here:

"... governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security..."

It's anybody's guess whether what happens next is better or worse, or how soon it comes about, but it will. History; same sh*t, different day, different actors.

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Reply #53 - 03/16/16 at 19:42:26

JoG, I believe that we agree on media manipulation.
Btw, I have been a fan of Chomsky for a few years now.
I don't feel I need to look it up on google.

So naive?

Is it naive to believe that you are being lied to by the media rather than them just playing it down?

Maybe these guys are human.
I live among them in the UK and I spend weeks or months at a time in Hungary.
I have time to talk to the guys sitting huddled with their sleeping bags in Keleti station (first port of call in EU for refugees), as I slowly walk by on my crutches.
I spent a month or two in Cologne years back and I'm familiar with the station and the cathedral area, where 'it' all happened.

Let me get this straight.....

So, are the media playing down the 'dark side' of immigrants/refugees' behaviour because those controlling the media do or don't (?) want the US public opinion to move towards tolerating (let alone welcoming) the refugees, because naturally, the refugees are likely to rape (for instance), bomb places, or call God by a funny name?

JoG, I more than most, agree with what might me termed 'conspiracy theories' that you post.

This theory as to the reasons behind the media (supposedly) under reporting, to me, just sounds like paranoia;
being aware that they are bad guys and want to come to your country is different than being afraid that they are bad guys and want to come to your country.....but equally as misguided, I think.

Maybe they are humans caught up in someone else's war, some are surgeons, some are cleaners, some are learning to walk because of shrapnel wounds, some are learning to walk because they are kids. They have been force-fed adverts from McD's to Pepsi, Elvis to Madonna, and want to 'climb aboard the raft' that doesn't just have a little 'bit of bread' but ranks in the top 10 wealthiest?

If Trump had a new game-show, "Rapist or Refugee", imagine the viewing figures!
The studio audience could vote with their key pads, and the viewers could text in. Embarrassed

Angela Merkel was unbelievably stupid to invite refugees to Germany the way she did.....but sadly Trump seems to me to prefer 'older German methods' when it comes to people in numbers...

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Re: Trump and violence
Reply #54 - 03/16/16 at 19:52:52

, are the media playing down the 'dark side' of immigrants/refugees' behaviour because those controlling the media don't want the US public opinion to move towards tolerating (let alone welcoming) the refugees, because naturally, they are likely to rape (for instance), bomb places, or call God by a funny name?

Would you like to edit that or are you actually thinking that you're winning points with that?

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HovisPresley Serious Thumper Offline Good Vibrations! Posts: 991 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: Trump and violence Reply #55 - 03/16/16 at 19:57:14 which part of it? the bit after "because, naturally"?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Trump and violence Reply #56 - 03/16/16 at 20:15:32 I'm just gonna wait and see what others say. To me, your sentence made no sense.
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HovisPresley Serious Thumper Offline Good Vibrations! Posts: 991 Midlands, UK Gender:	Re: Trump and violence Reply #57 - 03/16/16 at 20:22:51 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/16/16 at 20:15:32: I'm just gonna wait and see what others say. To me, your sentence made no sense. edited
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Re: Trump and violence
Reply #58 - 03/16/16 at 21:11:10

If I'm giving you information and I choose to limit exactly How complete that information Is, isn't that Lying?

Merkel was Stupid for how she handled importing dangerous people.
How do you suggest that it be accomplished without being racist or admitting that certain people who believe certain things also dislike other people who don't think the way they do. Some people see women as property.
You leave your bicycle out where anyone can just grab it, they just liable to hop on and take it for a ride.

You lefties remind me of the guy who decided that he could live among the polar bears. His death , being mauled and eaten, must have been quite a surprise to him. I thought he survived quite a long time before failing to demonstrate sufficient Alpha Male signals to keep them convinced to leave him alone.

Don't you know, just because YOU'RE willing to
Live together and Looove one another
Not everyone Feels like that.

Remember the loss of Michael Rockefeller?

The story is amazing. Perhaps he survived. Or, maybe they ate him.
Not all societies can be mixed.

I'm not the hater, here. Don't you demand that I import someone who hates ME.
I'M not suicidal. I'm not gonna Commit suicide to Prove that I'm not the hater.

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Re: Trump and violence
Reply #59 - 03/17/16 at 04:46:33

Jog, you got a knot on your head yet from the wall? Tongue

You saw/read where Hov said he HATES Trump, allowing himself that luxury based on a differing opine of matters, and justifies it....
However, they see opposition to their beliefs as hate based.

Bot once remarked his job is to try and remove or deny Christians any office in our political system, lumping all of that faith as one, but not allowing others the same privilege if you are referencing Muslims....

This type of hypocrisy is what is driving Trump supporters, and they are blind to the fact.
I see it clearly, but I am not about to vote for a man based on that, it will only add further to the insanity our political process, without a real chance of repair...,

BTW jog, love your spirit and tenacity, it's worth reading all the other tripe just to read your thoughts on matters

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