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Reply #15 - 05/15/16 at 15:27:34
 
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I know of someone who had to be x-rayed to see what organs they took,


BS

None of the things that allegedly happened to you happened to the guy that wrote the book.

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Reply #16 - 05/15/16 at 15:46:37
 
oldNslow wrote on 05/15/16 at 15:27:34:
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I know of someone who had to be x-rayed to see what organs they took,


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None of the things that allegedly happened to you happened to the guy that wrote the book.

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This individual didn't come home after a night of drinking in Juarez.  Sometime in morning he was found bloody in a booth in a night club.  He didn't remember much and it is speculated he was given rohyonol in a drink.  While he was knocked out they took a kidney, when he was back in the US they x-rayed him to see what they took.  

Care to hear about the shake down from the Mexican police....

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Reply #17 - 05/15/16 at 15:52:38
 
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This individual didn't come home after a night of drinking in Juarez.  Sometime in morning he was found bloody in a booth in a night club.  He didn't remember much and it is speculated he was given rohyonol in a drink.  While he was knocked out they took a kidney, when he was back in the US they x-rayed him to see what they took.  


Yeah. They's 12 foot long alligators in the NYC sewers that feed on homeless people too Shocked
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Reply #18 - 05/15/16 at 16:00:21
 
Evidently you have never been to Juarez.  

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Reply #19 - 05/15/16 at 16:29:56
 
pg wrote on 05/15/16 at 16:00:21:
Evidently you have never been to Juarez.  

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Nope. But I got me a kidney protector made outta the skin of one of them allygators from the NYC sewer in case I ever do.

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/robbery/kidney.asp
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Reply #20 - 05/15/16 at 18:05:09
 
Juarez has the infamous distinction as one of the worlds most dangerous cities.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2993831.stm


The Mexican attorney general's office says it is investigating the possibility that a number of women murdered in the northern border town of Ciudad Juarez may have been killed by organ traffickers.

In the last 10 years more than 300 women have been murdered in the town, with several hundred more missing.

Despite a number of convictions for some of the crimes, the killings have continued.

This is just one more twist in the series of killings in Ciudad Juarez.

In a press conference in the town of Chihuahua, federal prosecutor Carlos Vega said 14 of the victims may have been kidnapped and killed so that their organs could be sold.


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Reply #21 - 05/15/16 at 18:13:24
 
It's not guaranteed that trouble will find you.
Probably just as dangerous in parts of Chicago or New York.
I don't go there either.
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Reply #22 - 05/15/16 at 19:47:14
 
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n a press conference in the town of Chihuahua, federal prosecutor Carlos Vega said 14 of the victims may have been kidnapped and killed so that their organs could be sold.


Even if that is anything more that someones speculation, it is still quite different from the story about the guy waking up in a bar missing a kidney a couple of hours after someone slipped him a mickey. A scenario which is pretty much medically impossible.

I don't doubt that Juarez can be a dangerous place. Especially for folks who go there in search of Drink, drugs or the company of women for hire. Folks who basically have a sign on their back saying " here I am ! take advantage of me!"

The author of the book I recommended, being seventy something, happily married, not an idiot, and fluent in Spanish, does not present himself as that kind of easy prey, and did not frequent the locales where the predators typically congregate.

Besides, he started his ride in Veracruz, not Juarez or any of the other notorious border towns. I simply don't understand how you can dismiss what he has to say as "bullsh*t without having read the book, simply based on supposed unpleasant experiences of your own and a stupid urban myth.

Why can't you acknowledge the fact that it might be possible to ride a motorcycle from Mexico to Argentina and back without being robbed, or murdered. ?
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Reply #23 - 05/15/16 at 22:52:38
 
I know it can be done. I have seen a man drive to Venezuela. I also saw a man disappear. I'm not going back. It's a
Risk/Reward thing. I don't Need anything in Mexico and some of what is there, I Seriously don't need. Not to say I didn't have Fun in Mexico, I did, but, not going back.
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Reply #24 - 05/16/16 at 02:16:06
 
oldNslow wrote on 05/15/16 at 19:47:14:
Why can't you acknowledge the fact that it might be possible to ride a motorcycle from Mexico to Argentina and back without being robbed, or murdered. ?


If you look at my original post the only portion of your statement I challenged was:
None of the awful things he was told would happen to him turned out to be true.

I didn’t say it wasn’t possible to travel through Mexico without incident.  The premise of my position is that Mexico is a very dangerous place and that is speaking from first hand experience.  Only to receive condescending and belittling comments about alligators in New York and assertions that my experiences were not forthright.  

So yes it is possible for people to have an adventure of a lifetime and some people aren’t as fortunate.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-york-man-missing-mexico-article-...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/18/world/americas/missing-american-mexico/


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Reply #25 - 05/16/16 at 04:35:36
 
Looks like he was found..



Federal police witnessed abduction of 43 missing Mexican students ...
The Guardian › World › Mexico
Apr 15, 2016 - New testimony suggests federal officers at least allowed local police to abduct some of the 43 students ...
Mexico: How 43 Students Disappeared In The Night - The ...
https://theintercept.com › 2015/05/04 › h...
May 4, 2015 - The all-male campus sits atop the rolling green hills of the southern Sierra Madres in ..... He was wearing gray and white sneakers, and his blue jeans had fallen low around his hips.
Remains could be those of American missing in Mexico - CNN.com
CNN.com › world › americas › missing-a...
Jul 13, 2014 - Mexican authorities found missing American Harry Devert's ... He purchased a green 2002 Kawasaki.
Missing Mexican Students Suffered a Night of 'Terror,' Investigators ...
The New York Times › world › americas
Apr 24, 2016 - An international panel has provided details of the night in 2014
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Reply #26 - 05/16/16 at 04:42:38
 
What a guy...

Then, Ann Devert heard from a friend who recently returned from Michoacan, where vigilante self-defense groups in numerous communities have engaged in deadly confrontations with the Knights Templar drug cartel.
After vigilantes threatened to descend on a key cartel area last month, the Mexican government sent in thousands of troops and police to try to keep the peace. The government has even joined forces with the vigilantes as the Knights Templar become further entrenched in the agricultural state.
Ann Devert had been in touch with both the American and French embassies in Mexico. Her son, born in France, has dual citizenship.
Devert's friends and family were hopeful that his disappearance was only temporary, another story to recount from his wild travels around the world -- from Pamplona, Spain, to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and beyond.
"I've been chased with a gun in Colombia, chipped my tooth on a gun that was shoved in my mouth in Venezuela and shot everything from a bazooka to a machine gun, an M16 to a Colt .45," Devert wrote in his travel blog, A New Yorker Travels. "I've been in some of the poorest and some of the most dangerous parts of the world and to many of the finest, and I still can't tell which I liked more. I think that life is a pilgrimage."
In an October 19 post, Devert described his latest journey on a type of vehicle he had no experience using.
"I've never ridden a motorcycle," he wrote. "Mostly, naturally, because I don't know how. So tomorrow I'm going to go to the DMV, get my motorcycle permit, buy a bike and hopefully figure out how to ride it home without crashing. Which I'm sure will be an adventure in itself."
He added, "Then in the next 2 or 3 weeks I'm going to drive it across America, through Central America, down to Brazil for the World Cup, and eventually south to Ushuaia, which as far as I can tell from a map is about as far south as one can get on the continent."
He purchased a green 2002 Kawasaki. Ann Devert said her son took a safety course and spent hours studying YouTube videos on how to survive falls from bikes.
But the fact that he had never driven a motorcycle concerned her, she said. He promised not to travel faster than 55 mph, yet he took a nasty spill while speeding in Florida, Ann Devert said. He emerged unscathed.
Friends and family created the Help Find Harry page in
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Reply #27 - 05/16/16 at 10:21:42
 
Hey guys. For what it is worth I previously did business with Mexico and I had to travel down there every so often. Sometimes I would fly, sometimes I would take the bus at the border and a few times I drove. I've driven from Houston to Veracruz, to Mexico City to Queretaro to Guadalajara and on back to Texas through Piedras Negras. I have driven from Houston to Monterrey several times. As long as you did all your driving in the daylight it was relatively safe but you knew you ran a bit of a risk. This was around 20 years ago.

Things have progressively gotten worse in Mexico and the last time I was there maybe 15 years or so ago I was shaken down by police and quite honestly was in fear of my life. I prefer not to go to Mexico at all any more. By the way I am fluent in spanish, it was actually my first language.

Having said all that, it does not happen to everybody. It is perfectly possible to go through Mexico unscathed and to enjoy it. I personally though do not intend to risk it. Which is a shame as Mexico has some really beautiful country. And if you really like living dangerously, the twisting mountain road from the Mexican east coast to Mexico City could really be a blast.
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Reply #28 - 05/17/16 at 07:58:49
 
In WW2 you saw guys nonchalantly walking along the tops of the trenches, smoking cigs as bullets kicked up dirt all around them, and at least some of them didn't get shot
Doesn't mean I'd do it  Grin
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Reply #29 - 05/17/16 at 11:16:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/12/16 at 16:48:51:
Pesci never said anything about SOUTH of the border, I did.


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