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Reply #15 - 06/16/16 at 18:45:49
 
Really? crappity smacking war zone? Moron..
Rules? Stick the rules.
You wanna play a thingy?
Im sick of it.
You play games. Chickenshit little crybaby games.
Back you in a corner and you can't hang, so you run and play crappy games.

WE are in AMERICA.
The point is Here.
 

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Reply #16 - 06/16/16 at 18:50:29
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/16/16 at 18:36:47:
Really? crappity smacking war zone? Moron..
Rules? Stick the rules.
You wanna play a thingy?
Im sick of it.
You play games. Chickenshit little crybaby games.
Back you in a corner and you can't hang, so you run and play crappy games.

WE are in AMERICA.
The point is Here.
 

Intellectual Dishonesty

Study it..

Get yer' knickers out of their bunch...

Firstly,... we were talking about the UK...
It wasn't limited to the US...
Secondly,.. What rules?...
... and lastly,... Intellectual Dishonesty is not just my domain...
This kettle's calling you out... Grin

Sure,. America's 4 times the size of England...
They have 200 gun deaths per year... we have 600 per day...
Isn't it the height of intellectual dishonesty to say we need more guns, and fewer gun free zones...?...
England,... is a gun free zone,... and it's clearly working...

Sorry, oldNslow... you're right, but I had to reply to that accusation...
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Reply #17 - 06/16/16 at 19:27:24
 
"Put Britain first" not "Britain out"  was what the guy supposedly was yelling. Another witness claimed that he didn't say anything. They have the guy in custody so presumably they'll eventually hear from him directly about what his motive was. Unless he tells them that "The voices in my head told me to do it."

My guess is that it was political to at least some degree. The vote on the referendum is next week. I don't believe that the fact that this happened now is just a coincidence.

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Reply #18 - 06/16/16 at 19:51:54
 
A working gun free zone equals zero.

Look at Where the shootings ARE.
And yes, Americans Free to protect themselves will equal fewer dead.

The high gun murder rate is IN your much sought after
Gun Free zones.

Look at Chicago. Over sixty over the memorial day weekend.
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Reply #19 - 06/16/16 at 22:45:59
 
I'm really, really,  busy this week...  posting in shorthand....

.... but,...
we can argue, less is more... in a general way...
lower taxes = more revenue...
smaller gov'nt = better ...

..but,.. more guns = less death...
just don't add up... not logically, statistically,... or mathematically...

...does more eggs = less chickens?...
... more dough = less bread?...
... more calories = less weight?..
... more heat = less sweat?...

Intellectual Dishonesty...

Sometimes,... less of something, equals more of the other...
Logic dictates...

If I take away your gum... there wil be less chewing... Huh



Pardon...
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Reply #20 - 06/17/16 at 06:42:46
 


..but,.. more guns = less death...
just don't add up... not logically, statistically,... or mathematically...


I'm not sure more guns equals more deaths is true.

There are fewer murders now than 20 years ago.

There are certainly more guns now than 20 years ago.

So, logically, statistically, more guns do equal less murders, right?
Am I missing something?
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Reply #21 - 06/17/16 at 07:21:19
 
Again, look at WHERE the mass shootings are.
Gun Free zones. Certainly a
Fewer Guns location.
I'm not suggesting everyone be armed. Actually, if a law was passed making CC legal, no license, I would get trained but I probably wouldn't carry unless I was traveling.
The thing is by making it Legal for people to Be armed anywhere then the people who want to commit mass murder wouldn't Know that they were walking into a
Free Kill zone.
But, here we get into property rights. The owner has a right to deny what he disagrees with on his property.
But, by denying the clients their ability to defend themselves, does he Assume that burden? Or, since they Chose to Be there, are they accepting a risk in order to enjoy the venue?
A sort of Informed Consent situation?
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Reply #22 - 06/17/16 at 07:58:51
 
FL, isn't this the state that was having rampant carjacking/crime until the gun laws were relaxed?
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Reply #23 - 06/17/16 at 12:47:06
 
Sew -
As a Brit, what's your take on whether the UK should stay in or get out of the EU?  Since they don't use the Euro currency, is it a big deal either way?
Years ago I had a friend and client who worked at a company that did a lot of business all over Europe.  She loved the Euro because part of her job was pricing her company's services.  Every morning, very early, prior to the Euro, should had to get in her office around 4 AM here in Ohio, check all of the overnight changes in exchanges rates for all of the European currencies, and change her prices according from U.S. Dollars into all of those dozen or more currencies.
After the Euro she had to check only 3 rates:  Euro, British Pound, and Swiss Franc.
The poor lady died few years ago; fell off of her horse and hit her head on a rock.  And people say motorcycles are dangerous.
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Reply #24 - 06/17/16 at 12:55:36
 
verslagen1 wrote on 06/17/16 at 07:58:51:
FL, isn't this the state that was having rampant carjacking/crime until the gun laws were relaxed?



Louisiana showed the way. People were getting killed all the time. The Governor finally said, Arm yourself, defend yourself, and in a matter of a coupla weeks, with car jackers Dying, kicking, screaming, gutshot in the streets, it ended.
The people who were so affected in Florida were tourists.
The travel industry told them
Hide maps, binoculars, luggage, everything that would make you look like a tourist.
Rental car companies stopped putting decals on the cars.
They were Still getting mugged..
Then the Governor said
Arm and I defend yourself.

And, in a short time, the news stopped being about tourist victims in Florida.

And THAT is what arming victims does.

Handcuffing the bullys victims really isn't a great way to stop fistfights.
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Reply #25 - 06/17/16 at 17:57:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/17/16 at 12:55:36:
Louisiana showed the way. People were getting killed all the time.


Is that new orleans your referring to or all of la?  After Katrina, all the crime was dispersed to the surrounding communities & states.  Places that were half way decent, now people get mugged at gun point in the parking lot of a nice mall.  

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Reply #26 - 06/17/16 at 18:06:51
 
I don't remember it being so much localized to N.O.., I remember the news just continuing to be about the horrific ways some drivers died, snagged in a seat belt, dragged, run over,and all because they were defenseless. Watching that game come to a halt within weeks, after all that time, all that horror, all those lives, the families ruined, all because the darned gutless among us want everyone to be safe, by being defenseless. Watching the bad guys stop after a few died painfully was cold comfort. Throw the helmet away.. be safer.
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Reply #27 - 06/17/16 at 18:33:58
 
Car jacking was a bit of a fad crime,... it had it's day... but, it dropped off everywhere.
Carry laws were only coincidentally related...
The crime itself proved hard to pull off... criminals just quit trying it...

PS... If I stick a gun in your face,... are you dumb enough to draw on me?...
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Reply #28 - 06/17/16 at 18:44:41
 
You can have your opinion, but I saw what I saw.
While the bad guys were not getting caught or hurt, i t was a going thing.
Texas wasn't on the news much,I don't remember any, actually, Louisiana was.
Louisiana changed the rules.
Game over.
But, you can see what you want.

Crime that is a felony isn't a fad. It's a business. You might find a coupla times when a few punks pull one and dump the car, but the majority were one man, walking up, yanking the door open and dragging the driver out. Go read some crime reports.Don't ask me how they were done. I remember what grizzly horrors were committed. Hearing about the gutshot , screaming, kicking, dying creeps made me feel great.
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Reply #29 - 06/17/16 at 18:45:17
 
Jerry Eichenberger wrote on 06/17/16 at 12:47:06:
Sew -
As a Brit, what's your take on whether the UK should stay in or get out of the EU?  Since they don't use the Euro currency, is it a big deal either way?
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I'm not that familiar with the debate...
My day saw the change to decimal money... hapenny's and farthings were fun... crowns and shillings...
Penny"s though, were insanely huge... Grin

I think I'm generally for remaining in the EU...
Not an isolationist in principal... there's more opportunity in a bigger pond...
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