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Reply #1 - 07/28/16 at 22:13:46
 
Hiring actors to fill seats and cheer to make them look good huh?

Kinda funny, ain't it?

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Reply #2 - 07/28/16 at 22:43:00
 
Bradley Cooper must be desperate for cash...  Huh

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Reply #3 - 07/29/16 at 00:28:20
 
It's just tiresome, bot.
You find someone who Isn't paid.
Well, that means nobody is!

Did you cheat at the games in PE?
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Reply #4 - 07/29/16 at 04:07:34
 
Hollywood is 90+% liberal as are are journalists / media which begs the question;  why?

Are they ALL smarter than the 40% of the country that identifies themselves as conservatives/ republicans? I would guess that to be statically impossible.
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Reply #5 - 07/29/16 at 05:50:07
 
Hollywood, people who live a make believe life, and have money.

They can afford to live a life where

Shoulds And Ought To's

Are what they focus on.

It Should be like This!

He ought to do things like that!

Liberals want to tell others how to live.
Conservatives are more, leave me alone.

Ohh, yeah, liberals can't differentiate between conservative s saying
Don't murder that baby .

Poorly worded, just got up..

Anyway, it's
Telling someone else how to live
not supporting abortion.

Bull nuts.

Stopping a murder is not telling anyone else how to live.

You're queers and you wanna live together?
Go get it. Don't worry about what I think, I don't care.
Marriage? Different story, it's a church thing, governments have no business being involved.

You don't wanna be a participant in a ceremony?
-Don't be..
But, the ShouldsNottas just eat liberals alive.
How THEY think You should and that other person Otta think and act , well, we just need a law.. to make you guys do it Right.

Of course, they are unwilling and unable to describe what society has to look like in order for them to be happy.

No, they are not smarter, nor are they more generous.



According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.Dec 20, 2008


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Reply #6 - 07/29/16 at 09:21:59
 
If that woman were sitting next to me, I'd be there with a big H on my shirt.


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Reply #7 - 07/29/16 at 13:29:40
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/29/16 at 05:50:07:
Hollywood, people who live a make believe life, and have money.

They can afford to live a life where

Shoulds And Ought To's

Are what they focus on.

It Should be like This!

He ought to do things like that!

Liberals want to tell others how to live.
Conservatives are more, leave me alone.

Ohh, yeah, liberals can't differentiate between conservative s saying
Don't murder that baby .

Poorly worded, just got up..

Anyway, it's
Telling someone else how to live
not supporting abortion.

Bull nuts.

Stopping a murder is not telling anyone else how to live.

You're queers and you wanna live together?
Go get it. Don't worry about what I think, I don't care.
Marriage? Different story, it's a church thing, governments have no business being involved.

You don't wanna be a participant in a ceremony?
-Don't be..
But, the ShouldsNottas just eat liberals alive.
How THEY think You should and that other person Otta think and act , well, we just need a law.. to make you guys do it Right.

Of course, they are unwilling and unable to describe what society has to look like in order for them to be happy.

No, they are not smarter, nor are they more generous.



According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.Dec 20, 2008


Let's see what they latch onto.  



Funny, I kinda think it's the other way around.
Conservatives want to tell you how to live your most personal life
While liberals are live and let live and hell, even want to help you live.

Now liberals are more regulation friendly when it comes legal constructions of businesses, but usually, they are more pro free speech, (or at least used to be, there's a bit of a shift happening now)

on abortion, this is my official position, pro-choice, up til 24 weeks, up until then, it's no more ghastly than someone wanting to cut off their own foot, it's NOT something I'd support, but it ain't my foot.  After 24 weeks only an extreme health case, mother or child.  

but the government IS involved with licensing for marriage, and taxes are affected, and other benefits are affected for marriage, so, unfortunately JOG, marriage is a government issue, denying rights/privileges  isn't constitutional under the 14th amendment (which I know has it's own contraversey about being an illegal amendment, but it's there)

on the hypocrisy of generosity, okay, what do you want me to do about it? my generosity can't even go on a tax return and because I'm NOT REGISTERED liberal or conservative, even if it was it wouldn't help.

are liberals smarter?  the stats usually say they are more educated, and a "traditional liberal" education does make you question internal things beyond just technical expertise, like the study mythology and religious studies, cultural studies, anthropology, sociology,  studying languages makes you rethink the cultural context of the interpretation of words, so a word you thought only meant one thing your whole life, you now know can actually be interpreted 3 different ways, so that's a bit eye opening, I think there's some value in that.   Also, you learn business ethics, usually.

See, so it just goes to show you that two reasonably intelligent people can see the world in opposing ways.

Ideally, yes, less government is better, but that's only if people aren't ass-holes, but, people are ass-holes so some structure of authority is necessary.  

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Reply #8 - 07/29/16 at 13:45:01
 
Ideally, yes, less government is better, but that's only if people aren't ass-holes, but, people are ass-holes so some structure of authority is necessary.  

And isn't this the basis for why good intentions.......
Can never give a person ( something) what he isn't willing to do for themselves?
The "Give a man a fish, or teach him to fish" analogy.

I get it, I think we all do, and that's why we come to this board, BUT.....
How quickly expectations, turn to resentments  Embarrassed
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Reply #9 - 07/30/16 at 07:55:17
 
I think people tend to take for granted that the people they meet generally WANT the same things in life.
That others are honorable and ambitious and generally honest.
But, that just isn't true. Just as some people are happy to work 70+ hours a week for meager wages just to know they are Doing what, in their mind, is providing for their family, others won't do that.
This is not about the difference in people's Willingness to work.
This is about how each person SEES others. Naively just projecting Your good heart and moral compass onto everyone is silly.
Society has Always had bums, ne'er do wells, axe murderers, mother stabbers and father rapers,
The best America was was prior to the Fed reserve.
The percentage in poverty was lowest, people were prosperous,
But, the banks colluded to create economic panics, and it worked. After enough of those manufactured events, people were looking for an answer. Sadly, one was prepared and slammed into the lives of the People.

The System is a mess, and because we've all been raised In it and Told how great it is, few will allow themselves to see how great it isn't.

I don't know what a good, equitable, safe and stable system would be, but this one isn't any of those things.
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Reply #10 - 07/30/16 at 08:17:07
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/30/16 at 07:55:17:
I think people tend to take for granted that the people they meet generally WANT the same things in life.
That others are honorable and ambitious and generally honest.
But, that just isn't true. Just as some people are happy to work 70+ hours a week for meager wages just to know they are Doing what, in their mind, is providing for their family, others won't do that.
This is not about the difference in people's Willingness to work.
This is about how each person SEES others. Naively just projecting Your good heart and moral compass onto everyone is silly.
Society has Always had bums, ne'er do wells, axe murderers, mother stabbers and father rapers,
The best America was was prior to the Fed reserve.
The percentage in poverty was lowest, people were prosperous,
But, the banks colluded to create economic panics, and it worked. After enough of those manufactured events, people were looking for an answer. Sadly, one was prepared and slammed into the lives of the People.

The System is a mess, and because we've all been raised In it and Told how great it is, few will allow themselves to see how great it isn't.

I don't know what a good, equitable, safe and stable system would be, but this one isn't any of those things.


Sadly, in this world its not possible.
Without going into faith, its why I put my faith elsewhere into a belief that does give me sustainability on its own.
I am however flesh, I will fail myself and others, I accept that as fact and do not linger on it, but try to learn from it.

Here is an example of how our cultural influences lifestyles, based on a faulty premise.

Take a workaholic person. They labor and toil at their work.
They are highly successful financially.
They have the house, vacations, toys, etc.
They are the envy of the crowd.
We label this man with positive accolades.

What we don't acknowledge is the absence in his families life contributes to their bad choices trying to fill a void they have from him not physically being there more, to comfort them in the little things that come life's way.  
The kids do drugs.
The daughter get pregnant.
The wife has affairs.....

And we blame them, for being selfish, and not appreciating this "hard working man, WHO......has sacrificed HIS life, to provide for them, the finer things in life, WHICH, can never provide for them, that only HIS presences, in their lives can....

In other words, you can't buy happiness Jog  Embarrassed

This to me is what the crowning pinnacle of what capitalism affords us.
Yes, in is a generalization, and your mileage may very, but this is a real effect and result it can and does have upon us.

Look at the two finalist to run our country, both, put a vast amount of energy on their wealth, collecting it, and using it......
And for some reason we think this makes them worthy......  Sad

 
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Reply #11 - 07/30/16 at 08:31:37
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/30/16 at 07:55:17:
The best America was was prior to the Fed reserve.
The percentage in poverty was lowest, people were prosperous,

Show me...
The Fed Reserve began in 1913...
What was the poverty rate in 1910?... average wage?... home ownership?...
Average savings?... % of middle class?...
Something?... Anything?...
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Reply #12 - 07/30/16 at 09:30:15
 
Bot, it's not easy to find. Gee, for Sooome reason, THOSE stats are scattered around and really hard to round up. It's almost as if someone doesn't want such an obvious line delineating pre and post Fed reserve. I tried to roujd them up a couple of years ago. It's just not easy. Little references here and there, dots, requiring connections. Funny how it's so easy to get information after the Fed..

But, anyone can look at the Federal Reserve mission statement.
Then, look at the economic events After they decided to Save us .
If you're actually Wanting to know, you'll do what I did. The lack of readily available, CONCISE information screams of obfuscation. And Why do people obfuscate? To hide the truth.
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Reply #13 - 07/30/16 at 09:38:21
 
So,.. you made this up?... Huh
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The percentage in poverty was lowest, people were prosperous,


A few stats I did find.
- In 1900, 30.6 percent of New Yorkers were under 14. Only 2.8 percent were over 65.
- In 1914 a dozen eggs cost 50 cents - $11.36 in today’s dollars.
- Low-income families of four in NYC spent an average of 45% of their income on food.
- In 1885, 27 out of 100 infants died before their first birthday.
- In 1900 two-thirds of New Yorkers lived in tenement houses.
- If you lived in a tenement you shared a toilet with about 7 people. Often, the bathroom was outside.
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Reply #14 - 07/30/16 at 11:04:23
 
No, I FOUND IT, but it's not located in just one place.
There are graphs and statistics for economic growth and personal wealth and percentage in poverty available in clear, concise, easy to see places for various times in the history of America all over the place, UNTIL you get to the times prior to 1913. Then, to find facts to use to come to any useful conclusion get scattered and hard to find. It takes a lot of time and digging into different areas to get enough details to get a picture of it.
Just the fact that pre 1913 information is so scattered is telling.
Why us that? The same graphs and articles about individual prosperity from 1920 should somehow be less available for 1890?

After I TOLD you that the information took a good bit of effort to dig up, why do you assume that I DIDN'T go looking? I did find scattered references to look at which allowed me to conclude what I stated.

Now, that said, I Do remember going and getting pertinent parts of the NDAA and posting them. I SHOWED everyone that it would allow for You and me to be arrested, no charges, no bail, no Habeas Corpus, and Yet, you laughed at me.

So, why would I Bust my butt to show you things that require interpretation in order to conclude a truth that you don't want to see, when I've Shown you irrefutable facts and you Still would not see?
If you WANT TO KNOW A TRUTH, go find it. I'm done with proving what I dug out.
But, just to whet your appetite.
If you don't believe me, then go study the Mission Statement of the federal reserve.
Compare that to the real and actual value of the dollar.
Look at
The Stability OF the dollar.
Look at
The VALUE of those dollars compared to the value of 1913dollars.

And, once again, Henry Ford was correct.
Ohh, but he wasn't an economist! He wasn't Trained!
An obvious fraud only needs to be studied to see it for what it is. No need to be an economist.

I bought the book by Keynes. In it, he laid out the structure and theory of his scheme. I could see what it was very quickly, and that was Before I had heard of Griffin or been told that the federal reserve is a scam. I concluded that while reading all about the scam of Keynesian economics.

You say I'm brainwashed. No. The maverick is not the brainwashed. The MASSES are. The prevailing viewpoint is the result of propaganda.


For more common sense clues,
Look at what America accomplished pre 1913, ALL without any income tax.
The People KEPT their earnings.
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