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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2825	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #30 - 10/04/16 at 12:12:17 Piston kits are relatively inexpensive. Considering the miles and the fact that you have it tore down, I'd toss one in.
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Reply #31 - 10/04/16 at 12:28:46

youzguyz wrote on 10/04/16 at 11:46:28:

I did a bunch of pushing pulling shoving and smacking to check the bottom end bearings. Everything rotates super smooth. No bearing "click" in the smack test. There is no vertical play in the crank or connecting rod that I can detect. Minimal side play where the connecting rod connects to the crankshaft.

I'm not going to open it up any further.

I had a bearing fail due to the cage splitting allowing the bearings to bunch together.
I think I would give each one a tug to see if any are loose.

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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #32 - 10/04/16 at 12:50:52 Youzguyz, Thanks for taking the time to post all the info. The engine must be a remarkable little devil to have gone this far. Suzuki ought to know as well. An air cooled single: Wow. Norman.
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Reply #33 - 10/04/16 at 12:53:08

verslagen1 wrote on 10/04/16 at 12:28:46:

youzguyz wrote on 10/04/16 at 11:46:28:

I did a bunch of pushing pulling shoving and smacking to check the bottom end bearings. Everything rotates super smooth. No bearing "click" in the smack test. There is no vertical play in the crank or connecting rod that I can detect. Minimal side play where the connecting rod connects to the crankshaft.

I'm not going to open it up any further.

I had a bearing fail due to the cage splitting allowing the bearings to bunch together.
I think I would give each one a tug to see if any are loose.

The ones I can get to (right side) are OK. I am not going to open the alternator side and pull the flywheel.

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Reply #34 - 10/04/16 at 12:58:33

ohiomoto wrote on 10/04/16 at 12:12:17:

Piston kits are relatively inexpensive. Considering the miles and the fact that you have it tore down, I'd toss one in.

I'm not sure what you mean by "piston kit".
The OEM piston is about $76.00
A set of rings is about $31.00 (which will be replaced in any case)

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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18314 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #35 - 10/04/16 at 13:02:46 Sounds like Youzguyz has figured out what he needs to do to get the engine going again.........The good news is that it is more or less just "maintenance" of a high mileage engine - and not repair of anything that is broken. On with the show!
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #36 - 10/04/16 at 13:09:08 Exactly,, get it back on the road, and don't do anything that is Not necessary. Be cool to see it make another 155k,,
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youzguyz Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2557 San Antonio, Texas Gender:	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #37 - 10/04/16 at 13:26:06 Jog and Norm. You can't just send Suzuki Corporate an email to let them know. Snail mail is all they accept. (please include VIN, all service records, etc, etc) I posted a message on the Suzuki FaceBook site. It is up to them if they want more info. https://www.facebook.com/SuzukiCycles/?fref=ts
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gizzo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiCabbage. It's Savage. Posts: 1318 Australia	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #38 - 10/04/16 at 13:28:58 Youzguyz, you are awesome. For getting a savage to last that long, and for lasting that long on a savage. All the best with the rebuild.
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Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow
Reply #39 - 10/04/16 at 14:30:35

youzguyz wrote on 10/04/16 at 13:26:06:

Jog and Norm.

You can't just send Suzuki Corporate an email to let them know. Snail mail is all they accept. (please include VIN, all service records, etc, etc)

I posted a message on the Suzuki FaceBook site. It is up to them if they want more info. https://www.facebook.com/SuzukiCycles/?fref=ts

You've done what a reasonable person would do.
If Suzuki has the least inclination toward building a dependable machine, they know we exist.

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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2825	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #40 - 10/04/16 at 19:50:18 A piston kit generally includes a piston, rings, wrist pin and a top rod bearing.
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Savageman Senior Member Offline Knowledge is half the battle Posts: 275 Marysville, California Gender:	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #41 - 10/04/16 at 21:57:03 How the Hell did you put 155,000 miles on your bike? You must liveon it 8 hrs a day. Are you sure the odometer is right?
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youzguyz Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2557 San Antonio, Texas Gender:	Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow Reply #42 - 10/06/16 at 12:31:29 ohiomoto wrote on 10/04/16 at 19:50:18: A piston kit generally includes a piston, rings, wrist pin and a top rod bearing. I haven't seen any for an LS650. 94mm or over size. Do you know of a source?
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Re: Observations on a high mileage engine tear dow
Reply #43 - 10/06/16 at 12:39:14

youzguyz wrote on 10/06/16 at 12:31:29:

ohiomoto wrote on 10/04/16 at 19:50:18:

A piston kit generally includes a piston, rings, wrist pin and a top rod bearing.

I haven't seen any for an LS650. 94mm or over size. Do you know of a source?

Stock pistons are only available from your local or online Suzuki Parts dealer. It appears the 94mm piston and 94mm rings are purchased separately.....and they are only a set if you buy the oversize 94.5mm piston set. (The wrist pin and clips are also purchased individually).

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Reply #44 - 10/06/16 at 12:54:48

Savageman wrote on 10/04/16 at 21:57:03:

How the Hell did you put 155,000 miles on your bike? You must liveon it 8 hrs a day. Are you sure the odometer is right? Huh

I've always run stock tire sizes (except once, for a short time). I also have a Vapor speedometer thingy, and that odometer is close to the odometer on the tank.

Let's see.. I bought it in '06 w/ 3000 miles on it. Not sure when in '06. For the sake of easy math let's say:
10 years for 152,000 miles is 15,200 per year which is 292 miles per week. I ride just about every Sat, Sun, Holiday, running chores, etc.
Sounds about right. Cheesy

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