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justin_o_guy2
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Reply #60 - 11/14/16 at 17:49:11
 
..ran fine for a mile sputtered and stalled. Attempt to restart was met with engine turning but no fire.  


There's your clue..
Everything ok..
No valves bent, the engine Will run.

If you have a fuel filter on it, take it off, get a new fuel line, factory spec size.

You don't need a professional, just patience and an ability to accurately describe the symptoms and the ability to read, answer questions and do what is suggested.

Using ether to hunt for a leak is good.

I would drain the bowl, catch and measure the gas.
If it's almost empty, then you aren't getting fuel.
When you are trying unsuccessfully to start it, why not shoot some ether in the air box?
When something is giving me fits, I'm not just trying to get it started. I wanna know what is keeping it From starting.
It's air, fuel or spark.
Sounds like fuel.
Before you get it to run and haul butt, only to be stranded, get the battery charged up..
If it's a lead acid, check the water, and that requires removing it.

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Reply #61 - 11/15/16 at 10:53:54
 
Got rid of fuel filter. Measured fuel in bowl. It was full. Took out battery ot is also full.
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Reply #62 - 11/15/16 at 11:31:34
 
Johnnyblade wrote on 11/15/16 at 10:53:54:
Got rid of fuel filter. Measured fuel in bowl. It was full.


Well there's your problem right there, the float bowl should NOT be full of fuel. The fuel level should be 6.5 to 7.5mm (about 1/4 inch) from the top of the bowl. BTW, it's darn-near impossible to measure that without using a equal-gravity site tube (aka a piece of clear tubing).
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Reply #63 - 11/15/16 at 14:07:25
 
Yeah.I eye balled what came out. Didn't use the tube method before i put it back on. Gonna go to mech and see what he says and will let you all know.
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Reply #64 - 11/15/16 at 14:41:12
 
Gary ,you might as well give up ! I've told him what the float level is .why his bike doesn't run ,given him directions on how to fix it and the proper float height. MY guess is he really likes walking! You can lead a horse to water.......... but he's headed to  the stealers!  Maybe he should check Arcreefer's  last 5 pages of posts I think these guys may be twins by different mothers.
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Reply #65 - 11/16/16 at 08:25:55
 
Gary_in_NJ wrote on 11/15/16 at 11:31:34:
Johnnyblade wrote on 11/15/16 at 10:53:54:
Got rid of fuel filter. Measured fuel in bowl. It was full.


Well there's your problem right there, the float bowl should NOT be full of fuel. The fuel level should be 6.5 to 7.5mm (about 1/4 inch) from the top of the bowl. BTW, it's darn-near impossible to measure that without using a equal-gravity site tube (aka a piece of clear tubing).


He's right. I forgot about the possibility that you were over full. Don't go spend money yet. IDK how you checked the float level, but I know it took me quite a while to get satisfied that I was doing it right..
The clear tubing on the drain nipple held up to reveal the fuel level in the bowl is The answer.
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Reply #66 - 11/16/16 at 10:02:09
 
JOG, I really don't know if the level in in the float bowl is high ,I tend to think in this case it's low,because the bike sets on the side stand for a few hours and starts,due I think to the fuel level shifting and allowng a small flow into the bowl, but running the bike is upright and the level drops starving the main jet (bike runs out of gas won't restart).It's hard to impress on these newbie s that the carb can be clean,but if the float level isn't set right the bike won't run.
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Reply #67 - 11/17/16 at 10:27:17
 
I was working from
Low float.
BUT,
who cares?
Tubing, bowl nipple.

FIND OUT WHERE THE FUEL LEVEL  IS.
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Reply #68 - 11/18/16 at 16:04:18
 
batman wrote on 11/15/16 at 14:41:12:
Gary ,you might as well give up ! I've told him what the float level is .why his bike doesn't run ,given him directions on how to fix it and the proper float height. MY guess is he really likes walking! You can lead a horse to water.......... but he's headed to  the stealers!  Maybe he should check Arcreefer's  last 5 pages of posts I think these guys may be twins by different mothers.


I mentioned in my ealier posts. that I measured the float level with the vernier calipers and is within spec.anyway...
I did notice my fuel line is only half full and my air mix screw is pretty loose. So I thought maybe I got the wrong screw. Ordered and oem one and it totally different. Took out the air mix screw and noticed the small rubber ring was not on the end of the needle screw. Replaced new oem screw. The fuel line filled right up. So maybe there was something to that. Will test ride tomorrow.
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Reply #69 - 11/18/16 at 17:37:34
 
batman wrote on 11/13/16 at 20:36:14:
The fuel filter could be the problem, unless the gas line is run right these filters can be come air bond and stop your flow. They are not needed you have a filter on the petcock and there is another in the carb under the float valve seat. do yourself a favor and toss it, just run a plain hose between the petcock and carb. and see if that doesn't stop your problem.AS for checking the float before you installed it? I don't think you grasp the idea of setting the float height. the float height is the distance measured from the flange of the float bowl to the top of the float holding the carb in an inverted position,AFTER THE FLOAT  IS INSTALLED (the distance  when the float valve is fully closed) and is adjusted by gently bending the small tab that the float valve hangs from .It is very important! Too high ,the carb floods ,too low and you don't have enough to keep the motor running.float HEIGTH 1.04 to 1.16 inches.


Sorry I was not clear. I measured the float installed in the carberartor not the carberator installed in the bike. I used mm instead of inches which was fine.

I do "grasp" the concept. I appreciate the help.

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Reply #70 - 11/19/16 at 14:06:08
 
hello! I am sorry for interrupting your trouble shooting. I got similar problem. I run out of gas then I refilled full tank. And can not start engine.  i was trying like 10 times for 5 seconds, once It started for few seconds and stops again. I was trying to start it week ago and today .no luck.
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Reply #71 - 11/19/16 at 18:26:23
 
Turn petcock to
Prime
Wait a few seconds
Hit the button
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Reply #72 - 11/20/16 at 13:49:41
 
Done as you told! But nothing changed. Starter turns but no fire. After few turn gas smell came out. Sad .
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Reply #73 - 11/20/16 at 14:14:11
 
Did you charge your battery ?If the battery voltage drops below 10 volts , and it does drop when you hit the starter,you'll have no spark(not enough power to the ignition module )
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Reply #74 - 11/20/16 at 15:40:59
 
i quickly charged a battery before i was trying to start it all the time . Voltage was 12,4.  But voltage drops very fast! ok i will try to charge a battery to full and then i will try ! This batt is two years old. simplest Pb. Maybe new one is needed?
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