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Reply #45 - 11/10/16 at 02:56:25
 
Fresh blacktop on I20, it's like shining a wimpy light at a black hole... The transition from the on ramp to road was a hard jolt, just a black line to the eyes, but a couple inches of bump, scared me, and once on the road I could see the seam between lanesbut couldn't tell if it was level, and the
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I'm not happy with the light we have..
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Reply #46 - 11/10/16 at 03:50:27
 
Tocsik:

Go ahead and test and post anything you want.....this thread is for finding out what is needed to make the stock headlight better. (And I don't have a running bike with the stock headlight).

I am going to wait until my replacement bulb comes before I actually put the bulb in and go for a ride.
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Reply #47 - 11/10/16 at 11:01:38
 
With the time change it was light on the ride into work this morning so will need to wait until tonight to get a sense of the illumination.  
I did notice my headlight reflection from the bumpers and tailgates in front of me was a very nice, pure white and quite bright.  
Didn't notice much FM signal degradation in my headset.
When I arrived at work and shut off the motor I could hear the little fan in the bulb spinning.  The headlight lens was only a little bit warm and it was about a 50 minute commute but temps were in the low 40's.
After shutting the bike down, I noticed the inside of the headlight was a little foggy and I'm suspecting possible condensate given the temperature difference between the inside and outside of the headlight.  I will need to keep an eye on that and those who live in climates not as dry as Denver may want to keep this in mind.
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Reply #48 - 11/10/16 at 17:59:29
 
I got the replacement bulb today, and got to try things out tonight.  I first went for a ride with the Silverstar bulb so I could see how much light it made, then I pulled up to the garage door and took a photo of the low and high beam pattern.

I then installed the LED and went on the same lap around the neighborhood.  The light pattern is whiter and brighter.  There is a definite vertical "top" to the light pattern - but surprisingly there is also a bit of one on the bottom of the low beam on the LED.  You don't get quite as much light at the space just in front of the tire.  The light pattern is far wider, and it lights up things on the side of the road better than the stock bulb.  The high beam does shine higher and makes most things brighter - but I am not certain it shines as far down the road as the Silverstar did.....it could be that the LED light is so intense that your pupils are adjusting to the intense light.....and you just don't see as far down the road to where the light beam is not so intense.

It is a nice bulb, and Tocsik will be able to tell you how much of an improvement it makes to the stock headlight, it is easy to install and relatively affordable - but it does not convert the headlight into the kind of LED retina wrecker that some of the Harley and Victory motorcycles have (but they are not 6" diameter and cannot be installed into the stock headlight bucket).

This is the low beam on my 8" headlight with a Silverstar bulb.  Notice the light has a flat top (vertical cut off) to prevent the light from shining up into the eyes of other drivers, and notice the way the light just sort of fades underneath the beam toward the bike.




This is the low beam on the same headlight with the LED installed.  The light is whiter and brighter, and far more light is spread out to the sides of the light.  Notice that this light also has a somewhat of a horizontal cut off under the beam - there is still plenty of light just in front of the bike....it just isn't linear like the other bulb.




Here is the high beam with the Silverstar bulb.  It has a somewhat more rounded top as the vertical cut off goes away on the high beam.  The central zone of the intense beam appears to be about 9 panels wide on my door (the area that is so bright it washed out the camera).




This is the high beam of the LED.  The beam moves up higher than the low beam on the LED - but this light still has a vertical cut off.  This may limit how well it lights up overhead signs.  It still throws out far more light to the sides than the stock bulb does.  The




I rode a lap around the block last night on my rural roads and never went faster than 30mph - I need to get out on the highway and see if this is a good highway bulb for interstate speeds (does it shine far enough down the road for 70mph and does the light bother other drivers).  The only thing that bothers me about these bulbs is the fan....how durable is that thing?
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Reply #49 - 11/11/16 at 07:05:23
 
I can assure the stock headlight does not put out as much light as Dave's!  Time to replace that stock bucket.  
Anyone have a low-ish cost but decent 7" replacement suggestion?  With mounting tabs that fit our forks?  Keeping it under 100 bux or so would be cool  Cool

I'm not happy with the aim adjustment of this bulb in the stock headlight yet.  I did notice the overhead signs were actually lit up well which made me think I had it pointing too high.  But as it got darker on the ride home yesterday, it actually seemed like it was pointing a little too close on the road in front of me.  After seeing Dave's pics, I really think I'll be looking for a better reflector.  

But, if you want a  brighter bulb this is still a good alternative.  It's only roughly twice the cost of the high end Sylvania and should last longer since it's LED.  The longevity remains to be seen, though.
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Reply #50 - 11/11/16 at 09:02:45
 
I can do the same photos of the stock 6" light against my garage door as a comparison (the headlight I am using is a massive 8" light from a Yamaha 920 Virago, and they do require the use of arms attached to the fork legs).

I don't like the lights that mount on the bottom....I much prefer the side mount lights.  You mount them with the bolts snug - but not really tight.  Then when you want to make a height adjustment to your headlight....you just wiggle it up or down a bit (on the Cafe' bike I sit far enough forward I can do it while riding).

I just bought this 7" light bucket from Dime City to use on my Ninja Cafe' project..  It appears to be very well made and the paint is nice - my only complaint is that the inside of the shell just has the paint overspray on it, and it will have to be painted to keep the inside from rusting.
http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-bobber-brat-choppe...

The light housing I am going to use was(is) made by Candlepower.  I am not sure if they make them anymore as I read their factory burned down - but you can find new ones for sale on eBay at a reasonable cost:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/381616021194?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Candlepower-H4-7-High-Low-Beam-Halogen-Headlight-/141...

Dime City has the Candlepower lights as well...more money.
http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-bobber-brat-choppe...

You will then need to get some mounting arms.  I bought these, and they will require you to take the top fork yoke loose to get them mounted.
http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-bobber-brat-choppe...

You can also find arms that can be mounted without having to take the top yoke or fork tubes out.  I think this model is a bit too long, and will move the headlight out too far.
http://www.dimecitycycles.com/vintage-cafe-racer-caferacer-bobber-brat-choppe...

These might be a bit shorter and look better.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/28mm-38mm-fork-Tubes-Clamp-Headlight-Mounting-Bracket...

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Reply #51 - 11/12/16 at 07:28:04
 
Paladin stole his beadlight off a steam locomotive.
I want one!

It's okay with me if the light doesn't make it back to the front tire. I need to See
Outchyondah...
Long before the bike hits whatever is in the road.
I had some terrifying moments the other night.
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Reply #52 - 11/13/16 at 05:31:54
 
OK, time for an ignorant question.
As long as I get the matching ring and trim for the housing, any similar size lens should work?  And, most likely won't have a rubber boot like there is on the stocker?
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Reply #53 - 11/16/16 at 10:05:34
 
I have a couple items picked out for my headlight replacement but Imma head up to the MC salvage yard this Sunday first.  See what I can pull offa bike there maybe.  Problem is, they all sit outside so stuff's not in the best condition.  But if I find something cool, it would be worth reconditioning.

Thinking of this beauty:  http://www.dimecitycycles.com/7-inch-chrome-classic-british-style-headlight-a...
**EDIT** nevermind.  Even though the description says the lens is glass, a customer review states it's plastic.

or a bucket only with a Hella or other reflector.  Anyone know what particular reflector works best with an LED bulb?  I see there are crystal, diamond etc patterns in the reflectors.  Kinda confusicating.
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Reply #54 - 04/18/17 at 03:27:13
 
Well I am not sure this "simple" LED bulb application is the right way to go.  It is brighter than stock and works well - but it may have a "discharge" issue.  I put this bulb in a new headlight bucket and mounted it to the Ninja Cafe' bike - and the bulb was clearly visible though the glass lens.  I have ridden the bike about 200 miles - and now the lens is all fogged up on the inside.  The light must be making something that fogs up the lens.  I am emailing the folks that make the bulb to see if they have heard of this before....and what I should do to clean the inside of the light.  I just don't know how durable the silver lining is on the reflector.  I have looked online and found that "ethanol" works - but it has to be a nearly "200 proof" ethanol or water spots can be left behind...some have suggested the Everclear that is 190 proof.  I wonder if soapy water - then several rinses with distilled water will work?  Does Isopropyl alcohol leave behind any spots?  The concern with placing anything inside to scrub or dry with - is the potential for scratching the reflector.

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Reply #55 - 04/18/17 at 05:42:48
 
While LED's themselves run cool, the electronics certainly don't. Where is the heat sink placement? Is it reflecting off the reflector towards the glass?
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Reply #56 - 04/18/17 at 06:08:08
 
The LED has everything contained inside the headlight - including the heat sink and cooling fan.  The flat bulb part faces the top - the fins are on the bottom when installed.




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Reply #57 - 04/18/17 at 06:38:42
 
Mmmmkay, so, what do we know?
Got a lamp that needs a heat sink.
So, the heat sink is getting Hot. And, a film develops inside the bucket..
So, I'd probably shoot the sink with B12,
The question then becomes
What does the fan need to live?
Dave, what spins the fan?
I would probably lean towards the Everclear.
It's either gonna work or be something to sip on while you ponder.
A Q tip test in an obscure spot.
If you're happy with that, ohhh! Hey, what about some fancy camera lens cleaning stuff?
Anyway, back to the other way,
Bucket in hand, reflector rinsed with Everclear , rinsed with distilled water?
Good Reflectors are First Surface Mirrors, notoriously fussy.
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Reply #58 - 04/18/17 at 06:56:16
 
Yeah, that heat sink is what caused the problem. There's probably a perfect-storm effect with the reflector focusing the heat onto the glass. With the fan blowing it's like a convection oven. 50w (25*2) is not an insignificant amount of heat being reflected directly at a focus ring.
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Reply #59 - 04/18/17 at 07:11:47
 
There's probably a perfect-Ex-Lax induced storm effect with the reflector focusing the heat onto the glass.

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