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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #15 - 12/07/16 at 21:24:58 Well meaning but misguided people have made dying by lead poisoning a common problem in Chicago.
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Reply #16 - 12/08/16 at 11:47:44

I have two friends at church which are State Police Officers......there advise is "Get a gun, we don't get there till it's over". I would rather go to jail for defending my family than watching them die. I think that this advice should apply no matter what state I happen to be in. After all, I am an American first, that happens to be a Virginian. Wink

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #17 - 12/08/16 at 13:48:40 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/07/16 at 21:24:58: Well meaning but misguided people have made dying by lead poisoning a common problem in Chicago. 'Well meaning'?!?! Most of the gun toting people in Chicago are not well meaning by a long shot.
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Reply #18 - 12/08/16 at 15:48:44

11 STATES WITH CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY
(in chronological order):

Vermont has had Constitutional Carry since the nation's founding in 1791 --
they never enacted any law banning the right to discreetly bear arms.

Montana enacted Constitutional Carry in 1991, for all areas
outside city limits (99.4% of the state), and is working on the rest.

Alaska enacted Constitutional Carry in 2003.

Texas enacted Constitutional Carry "light" in 2007.
as the "Motorist Protection Act," freeing people to carry in their vehicles,
and to and from their vehicles and their homes, land or business.

Arizona got full Constitutional Carry in 2010,
and the sky has not fallen, despite desperate fears to the contrary.

Wyoming enacted Constitutional Carry for residents in 2011.

Arkansas passed HB1700 (Act 746) on August 16, 2013 to get Constitutional Carry.

Kansas pushed Constitutional Carry through with widespread support in 2015.

West Virginia had to override the Governor's veto to pass the law in early March 2016.

Idaho pushed it through and got it signed later in March 2016.

Mississippi succeeded in enacting Constitutional Carry in April 2016.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #19 - 12/08/16 at 16:33:27 Well cool.....ain't it. The libs want to protest, demonstrate, disrupt..... It seems to always turn to mayhem. They riot, loot, and extend their free speech to an extreme. The media blames Trump. Maybe this national carry will retard the verve, with which these constitutional savvy folk express themselves
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Reply #20 - 12/08/16 at 18:07:06

pg wrote on 12/08/16 at 15:48:44:

11 STATES WITH CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY

And look at ALL, the Crime,
Those, ‘Gun Tote’n Neanderthals’, have caused.
All those, shooting in the Streets.
All those Police, bystanders, and kids, killed by stray bullets.
All those little disagreements, ending in GUN FIRE.
All those people shot while driving.
(due to, ’Road-Rage’)

Oh, Wait !
That right, their Weren’t ANY !!!!!!

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Reply #21 - 12/08/16 at 22:47:10

verslagen1 wrote on 12/08/16 at 13:48:40:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/07/16 at 21:24:58:

Well meaning but misguided people have made dying by lead poisoning a common problem in Chicago.

'Well meaning'?!?!

Most of the gun toting people in Chicago are not well meaning by a long shot.

The well meaning, wrongheaded ones are the ones making having a gun illegal.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #22 - 12/08/16 at 22:50:36 Remember the blood curdling screaming and crying when some state decided to make concealed carry legal in bars? Gonna be blood running in the streets. I'd STFU if I was always wrong.
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Reply #23 - 12/11/16 at 09:03:43

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Here is a really nice paper I found. It states that between 21 and 45 feet, even an "expert shooter" has less than a 40% hit rate.

Good point.....we should be carrying sawed off shotguns....

Many want the CC law to be country wide....Most, if not all of you will cry states rights. So do you believe in states rights only with the laws that you don't agree with? You either believe in states rights or you don't.

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Reply #24 - 12/11/16 at 10:59:04

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Are we really being Protected by
The Best people for the job?

No.

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The court has ruled they are under no constitutional duty to PROTECT us. It's their job to arrest the creep after they are finished doing to you what they will. Yes, a cop Can choose to put himself in danger to protect you, but they are not required to.
Who, then, IS responsible for YOUR protection?
You.

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ditz YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 40	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #25 - 12/11/16 at 14:07:25 Amen JOG The individual must take responsibility for what he does or does not do.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #26 - 12/11/16 at 14:12:19 Including being made a victim of.
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Joer0952 Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 323 Perth Amboy NJ Gender:	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #27 - 12/11/16 at 18:13:55 Maybe while there at it they can work on states like NY charging $440 just for a gun license, or the fact that in NYC, unless your a retired cop, you have a better chance of getting struck by lightening while a meteorite simultaneously hits you in the head then you do getting a concealed carry permit.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7280 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: National Carry Permits Reply #28 - 12/11/16 at 18:23:38 if I understand Colorado law I can open carry in the 70s we had rifle racks in the back window of pick ups you don't see those anymore maybe cause of thieves?
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Reply #29 - 12/11/16 at 18:56:09

thumperclone wrote on 12/11/16 at 18:23:38:

" ... in the 70s we had rifle racks in the back window of pick ups you don't see those anymore. maybe cause of thieves?

Could be.

Could be, Thieves because, they can not afford one, or want to sell one.

Next step, WHY, did they need that money,
(Steeling the firearm)
Was it that they were, Hungry ?
Was it that they wanted a, ‘fix’, (Drugs ???)

Or it could be, the fact, that,
firearms Laws are SO,
“Grease the Palm”, in other places.
They came their to get a, ‘easy’ one?

Or could it be that, they were NEVER, Brought up,
to, ‘respect’ someone else’s property?

Here, at 6- Am +/- at a Local Cafe, for Coffee.
the 20 +/- cars/truck outside, have their keys IN Them.
And if it is -20, probably a 1/3 of them are running.
(Nice and warm when you get in)

But, BEWARE THIEVES,
Snowbanks can get very big,
and the Coyotes, will scatter your bones, LONG before the Snow Melts.

(Does that not go back to:
‘respect’ someone else’s property?)

Is it time, to clean, (not only the Swamp),
but the gene Pool as well ?

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