thumperclone wrote on 12/11/16 at 18:23:38:


Thieves and being harassed by cops.

ditz wrote on 12/12/16 at 05:11:12:


I don't feel states rights are applicable when they relate to the infringement of rights explicitly stated in the constitution such as the 2nd amendment.  States also shouldn't have the right to decide if a person has a right to freedom of speech or the freedom of the press to criticize the government either.

ditz wrote on 12/12/16 at 07:48:32:


Oh I thought you mentioned states rights in reference to a state being able to decide who can obtain a carry permit not how much it cost.  I don't know what it costs in TN is, but in NY it cost 340 dollars to apply for just the permit to purchase a fire arm and another $100 for fingerprinting.  In my opinion that is waaaaaay to much.  The way I look at it it NY's way of imposing a charge that many can't afford in effect making it illegal, since they can't do so outright, by way of cost. And, like I said, there is no, and i mean no, way you are getting a conceal carry permit in NY if you aren't a retired cop.  I feel that this goes against the constitution since without a right to carry a firearm you basically only have the "right to bear arms" when your in your home. I agree about the govt being bought and paid for, I thought that was the whole appeal of Trump over Clinton (drain the swamp thing)

ditz wrote on 12/12/16 at 09:09:44:

Trust me I know all about 2007, I was a high school science teacher in 2007, then I was laid off, I'm still working to get back to where I was then.  Republicans give tax breaks to the ultra rich to try to stimulate the economy, and dems give entitlements to the ultra poor to buy their vote.  To match you I live in a state where hitler can run on the blue ticket and win but they spend millions too, but I don't know where we are going with this.  All I wanted is to be able to have my constitutional right to bare arms not be infringed upon and not have to mortgage my home to do so lol.  I have a friend in new jersey and its a lot cheaper out there to get the purchase permit ($65) but even though it is court ordered to not be more than 30 days till you get a response to the application he has been waiting over 4-5 months.  Like NY though you still can't get a carry permit unless your a retired cop.  There was a women from Pennsylvania, where they still respect the 2nd amendment, who had a valid conceal carry permit in PA that was arrested and charged in NJ for having it because she forgot and crossed the border into NJ.

ditz wrote on 12/12/16 at 07:48:32:





]I don't remember anything in the constitution about the cost of a carry permit.

That's because they have taken a RIGHT, turned it into a Privilege
And charged for a License.

A
License
is PERMISSION from the State to Do what would otherwise be illegal.

Let that soak in.
Got a drivers license? ARE you REALLY a Driver?
Legal technicalities and word definitions come into play.

I'm gonna need an explanation.

The People own the roads.
Travel is a Right.
Using the People's roads for commerce is a Privilege, hence, license. Driving is a commercial word. Using a machine to carry oneself down ones road is a right.

After re-reading, it appears that Ditz and I are actually in agreement. I admit I was in a hurry during lunch and just skimmed. I missed important context clues.

My argument is against the high fees because they are cost prohibitive to Constitutional rights.


--Steve