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Reply #45 - 12/14/16 at 13:48:16
 
Fees and Rights are diametrically opposed.
Poll taxes?
We go to school, graduate, get a diploma.
Never have to renew it.
The doctor and optometrist can decide if I keep my drivers Certification. I don't NEED license.
I understand the need for proficiency for the sake of safety.
I've renewed my license by mail, so, nobody was checking my eyes. I see both sides, but primarily, a Right has been made into a Privilege and a fee charged for a License.
A LICENSE is Permission from the State to do what would otherwise be illegal.
Look at when marriage licenses started.
Any constitutional amendment around that tim?

https://mattwilson32.wordpress.com/2015/06/30/the-ugly-history-of-the-marriag...

Drivers licenses were originally aimed at truck drivers.
Because nobody has a Right to put wear and tear on My Road to haul commercial products that they are using to make a living. That's a Privilege, that's Commerce, not travel.

Anyone remember when I said I've been studying while others were living normal lives?
Letting go of the Basic Beliefs about life isn't easy.
The propaganda is so pervasive, so foundational, it's sickening. The People have slowly forgotten that WE ARE the Sovereign.
Trump was elected because enough people like me are making enough noise to change some people's thinking.
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Reply #46 - 12/14/16 at 15:37:56
 
License fees, all permits are nothing more than taxes. They all have to their hands into our pockets. They are also a way to keep us under their thumb. Big Brother is watching us in all things that we do. Never forget that. They even watch your bank account and double check all of your big withdrawls and deposits. They have all of your gun purchase record for years. It was said that those records were destroyed after a couple years or so. Don't believe it. Our taxes are paying billions for all the records that are being kept on us. It is illegal for the gov. to keep these records so they are paying private concerns to do it for them.
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Reply #47 - 12/14/16 at 23:21:00
 
You're right, to a point. The exception is
When a Right gets taken away and replaced by a Privilege, for which one must acquire a License and pay a fee. Your point is taken, in that
They get their grubby mitts on your money..
But,
The Right diminished and made a Privilege
Teaches the People
They aren't the Sovereign, but mere subjects.
So, they win by stealing our money and by teaching a slave mentality..
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Reply #48 - 12/15/16 at 05:08:48
 
JOG,,,, there is a lot of truth in what you say and as a nation of sheep we have learned our lesson well. As long as we are fat we are happy. ..... Just like all the lies that we were fed just prior to the Iraq war or police action or what ever they call it. They also told us that the war would be paid for with Iraqi oil which never happened and then they rant about our national debt plus they lowered the tax rate. How two faced can they be. I agree that we need to get rid of the deficient spending and trade and our excessive debt but both parties have created it and are continuing to support it. Trump also says he is going to lower taxes. Just what the Bush Boys did prior to the 07' depression. Then Bush stated that he was sorry it happened on his watch. He should have said that he was sorry that it happened. .... Then Obama continues on with the same basic policy. What hypocrits. All of them......
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Reply #49 - 12/18/16 at 16:09:57
 
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Laffer curve taxes

And remember that the income tax was passed in 1913, let that soak in. America grew and the People prospered without any income tax. THEN we got the federal reserve... The bank we BORROW every dollar spent from. Just how Sovereign IS a nation dependent on a bank for its operating capital?
Our income taxes are to pay the interest on the debt. You don't actually believe that a lender would loan before a payment arrangement had been made, do you?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grace_Commission

Corporations shouldn't even pay income tax.
Certainly individuals who are working shouldn't.
Income derived from investment, okay, tax some of that.

We've watched interest rates drop. When I was a young fellow my family had CDs setup to mature every month.
$10,000.00 CDs at different lengths of time to maturity.
They were making money..

What happened?

What Would happen if interest rates went back up?
Well, right NOW the interest rate on our debt is low.
Imagine what would have to be paid to the interest on our debt.

All they have to do is raise interest rates and we are screwed,
Unless we arrest them.
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Reply #50 - 12/23/16 at 12:48:37
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/13/16 at 07:22:03:
The People own the roads.
Travel is a Right.
Using the People's roads for commerce is a Privilege, hence, license. Driving is a commercial word. Using a machine to carry oneself down ones road is a right.


Well I have to disagree with you here, driving is not a right it is intact a privilege.  A right is irrevocable and inherently held by all human beings, driving is most certainly a privilege that is bestowed upon someone by the government that is revocable.
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Reply #51 - 12/23/16 at 14:47:54
 
Joer0952 wrote on 12/23/16 at 12:48:37:
" ... Well I have to disagree with you here, driving is not a right it is intact a privilege.  ...  ...  driving is most certainly a privilege that is bestowed upon someone by the government that is revocable.


Owning the Road.  (This  Thread has  Morfed)

Land Owner: Twp, County, some State Roads. the property line goes to the center of the ‘easement’, most cases the center of the Tar, or traveled portion of the road. but not always.
Government owned roads:  Most State roads, and  Freeway,. owned by a government unit.  (who owns the Government?   US)

Whichever way, that, ‘road’, is a  Easement,   (For Travel).
Now I can  Walk, down that, easement,  ride a Bicycle,  a Horse, all I want, any time I want.
(Except freeways, which are Posted on entry !
then, if you are a BLM  Protester, can you violate the Law, everyone else has to stand by)


Some States require a License, for the, ‘thing’, i.e., snowmobiles, quads, SxS’s, some don’t.
Some States require a License, for the, ‘Person’,  (on above), some don’t.
  (That’s all Just   Revenue)

It seems the general, mindset, is:
A,  ‘Right’, to use that easement, (road), to go to, point B from point A.
A,  ‘Privilege’, to use a certain, ’thing’, to do it with.
And a, Privilege, to have a license, to use certain, ’things’.

So wonder, when the ‘Fairy Dust Sprinklers’,   will,  demand, one have a,
‘Walking License”,   like a  “Driving License”.

A person, can  BUY a  car. One can DRIVE a  Car.
With OUT, a  personal Driving License, OR, a  Car  License.
But it must ONLY,   Be used on Personal Property.

So, next will be, a,  ‘Shoe’, License.
(well, only of course, only for the shoes you use walking on the, ‘Road’)

Before that, their will be, a,  ‘Horse’, License.
So everyone will be prepared, for the, ’shoe’, license.


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Reply #52 - 12/23/16 at 15:10:54
 
Licensed are bestowed upon the holder based on them demonstrating a skill and the agreement to uphold certain rules that have been previously established.  This is generally done for things like driving or gun ownership or certain highly skilled occupations that if done by those without the requisite skills or, in a negligent manner by those that do, pose a significant threat to the public.  If one was to obtain such a license and later demonstrate to have indeed acted in a negligent manner that PRIVILEGE would be revoked.  Rights can not be revoked because, by definition, they are inalienable.  You have many rights as a US citizen, but those rights can not put others at undo risk.  Comparing walking to driving is like comparing you putting a bandage on your child's cut to performing a surgery.  Driving and walking are both modes of transport, just like applying a baggage and surgery are both medical procedures.  No one needs a license to walk but they do to drive, just like no one needs a license to put a bandaid on, but they do to practice as a surgeon.  This is because walking down the street and applying a bandaid don't pose a significant threat to the public if done poorly, but driving and surgery are.  You wouldn't care if the 18 y/o girl behind the counter at McDonalds put a bandage on your childs finger, but if she was trying to perform an appendectomy you probably would.  
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Reply #53 - 12/23/16 at 15:44:15
 
Joer0952 wrote on 12/23/16 at 15:10:54:
" ...  Comparing walking to driving is like comparing you putting a bandage on your child's cut to performing a surgery. ..."  

Yes,  that is   ‘Common Sense’. !
I certainly agree.


Previous, (bout walking), was a, analogy, of how/what, the Fairy Dust Sprinklers, think.
The  ’Snowflakes’, would come up with things like.
“OMG,  A   Horse, What if a  Car  Hit a  Horse, and  KILLED  Everybody in the Car.  We  just  HAVE  to  License, Horses.”
Etc Etc Etc.”

And they, the ultra-Liberals,  (Like they have DONE  Frequently in the Past),     Make a ‘law’.
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Reply #54 - 12/23/16 at 19:07:36
 
Joer0952 wrote on 12/23/16 at 15:10:54:
certain highly skilled occupations that if done by those without the requisite skills


Would this be,
people that,  ‘know’, how to do those things.
Or just, ‘think’ they Know ???
Cases in point.

School Teacher, teaching for 25 years,
In a  Very ‘nasty’, place in N. Mpls,  where, the,  (that is  THE,  Singular),  Parent, does NOT Care.  What happens. That is where, the Kids are in their house,
are shot and KILLED,  by,  ‘gang banger’, shootings. And  NOBODY, saw a  THING. Yet it is ALL,  the Polices Fault !

Anyway, this Teacher, Teaches, Item 2, 4, 1, 3, 5, 6.
He has the Highest level of retention, ON   RECORD, in his School.
But a,  ‘Newley Minted’,  ‘teacher’,  is hired.
She has  NEVER,  EVER, taught a class.
(Especially in that environment)
Yet she get’s hired to, ‘Monitor’, other teachers.
And her, ‘clipboard’, says,  
“teach  items, 1,2,3,4,5,6,”
So she files a report, and a  BIG,  BLACK, MARK,
is on the Teacher who does, Item 2, 4, 1, 3, 5, 6.

Where is she now???   GONE,  3  MONTHS   GONE  !!!!!!!
But the,  Black Mark is STILL,   in the, ‘file’.

A , ‘new’, Truck Driver, delivering food.
(To a  ‘old’, truck Driver,  who was moved into the office,
Who had  1  MILLON,  MILES, in Driving. )

“I Can’t deliver to  ‘X’ place".
The, ‘old’ truck driver said:
“Yes YOU CAN,  do this, than that, I have done it 1,000 times".
But,  the, ‘old’ truck driver, ended up taking early retirement,
because, the, ‘kid driver’, would not listen.
And the Company lost a account.
And it was the, ‘old’ truck drivers fault.

Did a CUP,  (Conditional Use  Permit), locally.
When I would drive by, I would stop in and see what was happening.
One day, they were putting up the rafters, (and by code) their had to be four  fire breaks, (Sheetrock).
The, ‘inspector’, said to the Construction workers.
“Take all That Sheetrock Down, and put it in on the other way”.
I Asked the Inspector,  “How do you know, which way a  fire will come from”?
They left it AS it was.
(Side note, at the end, the, ‘inspector’, said,
4 little things, had to be done, told him, OK, stop back tomorrow at 10AM, they will be done.
He did, they were  DONE.
Then he said, “OBTY, My Wife Works for XYZ  Company,  and if you need this, you should call her”
I said:  ’No the owner has that covered with another Company”
He THEN,  Tore off a  Page, with   40 +   BS   Things that had to be done.
I chased his azz out.
Called His  TOP  boss, got the run around, told the secretary ‘call me’,
just giving you a ‘ heads up’, on a  Press Conference, tomorrow morning at 10AM.
He called back in 15 min. Told him, Press Conference will be at  10 AM Tomorrow,
and it will ask the Questions, which, YOU,  will have to answer.

At  9 AM, the, ‘inspector’, came in, handed OVER a, ‘done’,  then left.  (In a  huff)
Never Heard of him again, never saw him again, guess he had enough money from  BRIBES, to retire !!!!!!!

(And  Many  MORE)

SO,   WHO,  is the ‘Expert” ?
WHO,  Decides, if YOU  know what you are doing?
WHO, makes the rules ?
Is it a,  ‘wannabe’, or someone who has,  ‘Been their Done That’ ???

B. Clinton, Started it,  Bush let it ride, and Obama, raised it to a New  Level !

“OMG, What If the HORSE, Hits a  Car, We have  GOT, to ‘License’  Horses”  !!!!!!!!

WHO, is making the rules ?
Is it a,  ‘wannabe’, or someone who has,  ‘Been their Done That’ ???
Is it someone looking for  a  BRIBE,
or someone who has, ‘Been their Done That’ ???
Is it someone who does NOT know their AZZ  from,  a hole in the ground,
or someone who has,   ‘Been their Done That’ ???

WHO, is,  ‘Making the Rules’  ??????

Just like the EPA,   (Newly  Minted, DFI’S),
Dumping 3  MILLION,  Gallons, of  HIGHLY,   TOXIC  Water in a river.
KILLING  ALL the  Wildlife  !!!!!
    NO PROBLEM
Yet,  Fining a  Rancher, 20  MILLION   Dollars,
for Building a  Pond, to  PROTECT, and ENHANCE,  Wildlife  !

WHEN  will the DFI’s, (under government protection),
STOP.    Removing your,  Freedom ?????

Well,  Maybe, will start with the next  POTUS ?


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Reply #55 - 12/24/16 at 16:12:06
 
st like the EPA,   (Newly  Minted, DFI’S),
Dumping 3  MILLION,  Gallons, of  HIGHLY,   TOXIC  Water in a river.
KILLING  ALL the  Wildlife  !!!!!
   NO PROBLEM
Yet,  Fining a  Rancher, 20  MILLION   Dollars,
for Building a  Pond, to  PROTECT, and ENHANCE,  Wildlife  !

Ask a psychologist what it does to force a population to accept nonsensical laws. And watch obvious double standards.
Apparently the government is quite pleased with all of their decisions. They sure don't spend time repealing laws.
They just double down on stupid.
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Reply #56 - 01/04/17 at 09:46:27
 
From Rep Hudson: National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced to Congree
http://freebeacon.com/issues/rep-hudson-introduces-national-concealed-carry-r...
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Reply #57 - 01/04/17 at 13:35:13
 
Are YOU a better driver because you Pay the State for that card in your wallet?
Why not just have proof of having successfully taken drivers ed?
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Reply #58 - 01/04/17 at 13:37:58
 
The short answer would be because driving is a privilege and the card in your wallet allows the state to easily track your record and take away that privilege if you drive like a dumb ass.
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Reply #59 - 01/04/17 at 13:53:10
 
That you've been convinced of that doesn't make it so.
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