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Reply #60 - 01/04/17 at 13:54:17
 
convinced of what that its a privilege or that that what the license is for?
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Reply #61 - 01/04/17 at 14:23:30
 
You're the Sovereign. For you to Travel is Your Right. The manner in which you travel is your choice, and here it gets tricky. The Common method of travel, which today is the car.
A rocket powered vehicle would pose a hazard and can't be used.

If you read the whole thing you saw my post on the difference between personal travel, which is Not Commerce, and DRIVING, which is a Commercial Term. The roads are the property of the People and we have a Right to Travel on OUR roads. After all, WE decided to Contract to have them built and Paid for them with our tax dollars.

For someone to Use OUR roads in the Pursuit of Commercial Gain is a Privilege, and the cost of the licensing includes fees to compensate for the additional maintenance required to the roads Because of that Commercial enterprise.
You otta see what it takes to run a pulling unit down the road to an oil well.

Read again about the landowner who allowed his servants to slowly take over.
Consider that we were all raised in schools that are very much controlled by the state. For Them to Teach us we Don't have Rights but privilege that they can withhold unless we pay for a License is really not that surprising.
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Reply #62 - 01/04/17 at 14:49:01
 
I know what all of this is. It's Challenging the Basic Belief that
Our Government is altruistic and desirous of Our best interests.
We were all subtly Taught that our representatives went to D.C. with OUR best interests as their guiding light. I'm not able to see that as being the truth.
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Reply #63 - 01/04/17 at 14:52:59
 
I assume your analogy of the landowner and the servant is meant to represent the people and the government respectively.  but this is a flawed analogy because the "servants" are not servants but are "landowners" themselves.  We are a representative republic not a direct democracy we elect these people from among all the other "landowners" to represent us and our wishes, and can choose to not reelect them if we feel they have failed to do so.  In this way we are not their subjects, they are our representatives.  Those elected "landowners" create laws by which our country is governed, this is how a civilized society works.  Among these are laws that set rules on how we must drive an automobile in order to insure that you are doing so in a safe manner.  You do have a right to travel, but you don't have a right to do so in a manner that puts others in danger, and if your record indicates that you do drive in a dangerous manner the privilege to do so will be temporarily revoked.  The roads are public and owned by the people, but they are not revoking that they are revoking your privilege to get behind the wheel and travel down that road in a machine that you have demonstrated that you are not doing in a safe manner.
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Reply #64 - 01/04/17 at 14:56:09
 
well, you posted again while I was typing.  I don't know if you want to argue that government representatives are assholes or specifically if driving is a privilege or a right.
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Reply #65 - 01/04/17 at 19:44:04
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/04/17 at 14:52:59:
I assume your analogy of the landowner and the servant is meant to represent the people and the government respectively.  but this is a flawed analogy because the "servants" are not servants but are "landowners" themselves.  We are a representative republic not a direct democracy we elect these people from among all the other "landowners" to represent us and our wishes, and can choose to not reelect them if we feel they have failed to do so.  In this way we are not their subjects, they are our representatives.  Those elected "landowners" create laws by which our country is governed, this is how a civilized society works.  Among these are laws that set rules on how we must drive an automobile in order to insure that you are doing so in a safe manner.  You do have a right to travel, but you don't have a right to do so in a manner that puts others in danger, and if your record indicates that you do drive in a dangerous manner the privilege to do so will be temporarily revoked.  The roads are public and owned by the people, but they are not revoking that they are revoking your privilege to get behind the wheel and travel down that road in a machine that you have demonstrated that you are not doing in a safe manner.  



Your desire to live in a slave mentality is beyond my ability to change.
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Reply #66 - 01/04/17 at 21:19:04
 
you say slave mentality I say civilized society.  What you propose sounds like anarchy
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Reply #67 - 01/04/17 at 21:21:31
 
I'M not suggesting that people ignore stop signs.
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Reply #68 - 01/04/17 at 21:26:01
 
no but if they do there should be no consequences because driving is a right not a privilege.  When, God forbid, a 16 y/o girl in her daddies denali slams into someone on their bike because she was to busy texting her friends I think her "right" to drive should disappear.
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Reply #69 - 01/04/17 at 21:53:43
 
You don't have any idea how silly you're being, do you?
I have a Right to carry a gun, but not to indiscriminately shoot people,
I have a right to WALK, but not to be an not a very nice person and walk right over people.
Quit being a child.
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Reply #70 - 01/04/17 at 23:27:20
 
Well, that change quickly.  I thought we were having a nice debate. To be honest what I think is childish his name calling
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Reply #71 - 01/04/17 at 23:31:51
 
Maybe I'm exhausted with trying to get people to see who they are. Yes, it's hard to stop feeling like the one who must Do what They say. It's a Frikken con game. Understand what a License is, permission to Do what would otherwise be illegal,
Sorry for getting short.
When you went with, well, since I have a RIGHT to do it, then when I kill someone foolishly there should be no consequences, I was irritated by the irrationality.

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Reply #72 - 01/04/17 at 23:45:41
 
Yes, and driving is a privilege that requires one to demonstrate that they have the requisite skills to do so as well as maintain a driving record that demonstrates they drive in a safe manner, and anyone who cannot do both should lose that privilege and it should be illegal to drive, hence the necessity of a license to drive.   Just like the surgeon needs a license and if they cannot demonstrate the skill to do surgery as well as a safe track record and they would lose their license and it would be illegal to practice
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Reply #73 - 01/04/17 at 23:47:21
 
You are wrong.
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Reply #74 - 01/04/17 at 23:52:05
 
What part is wrong, should you never lose the privilege to drive?
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