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Reply #15 - 01/11/17 at 16:20:26
 

I came across this:  The U.S. may have kept the spoils of war “in the old days,” but not since 1907. The Hague Conventions banned the seizure of enemy property except when absolutely necessary. Article 23 (g) in particular states that it is “especially forbidden” to “destroy or seize the enemy’s property, unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war.”

GOOD Find! Thanks, I've been wondering about that for a really long time.
How about THAT! We actually follow a rule!
We pay gazillions of dollars for smart hittles ( Who in their right mind would ever buy a Missle?) and smart bombs, then, as we
Spread Democracy and Free the People from that Eeevil Gadaffi, in our zeal to improve their lives, we somehow managed to destroy the WORLD'S largest irrigation system. I'm pretty sure it wasn't being used to hide military equipment in, because That would make it a fair target..
I would really like to hear someone answer that question. The press never seem to think about it.

Uhh, Mr. President, can you tell us Why, with the accuracy of our weapons, we accidentally destroyed that irrigation system, or was it done intentionally, and IF it was done intentionally, Why?
Some of you may have noticed that That is a raw spot for me.
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Reply #16 - 01/12/17 at 08:19:49
 
The military intelligence of wwii decided that oil was a critical commodity but overlooked electricity as a critical necessity for mfg.  These facilities were much more centralized and harder to replace.

Not that I know anything about Libya (other than gold for oil) and for the most part seemed to be more or less peaceful for the last 10 years or so.
Destroying any infrastructure would only ruin that peacefulness and incite unrestfulness and terrorism.
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Reply #17 - 01/12/17 at 08:30:44
 
Which is why I raised the question.
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Reply #18 - 01/12/17 at 18:32:36
 
So,  If,   IF,  SHTF,
And a  loaf of bread,   becomes, $10.00,
  *Due to the, ‘banks’,  STEELING” !
(When you put money in a,  ’bank account’, (Paper Money),
It was worth 1.00.)

Do you think that a,  ‘(pre 64, US, 1/2 dollar)  at 90% Silver.
Is going to hold the value it has as, ’silver’. ?
(Or gold ,  whatever?)

In a  actual piece of metal,   vs   a  Piece of  Paper.  ?

Remember,  History?    Before the crash of 29,
A Person,  CASHED  In, his,  “Paper’,  Stocks.
And bought,  Metal,  (Gold Bars)
(Actual Pieces of metal)

Then  Built exclusive,  Chains of Hotels,
During the time  which,  NO one  HAD,  ‘’Paper Money”.
Which are STILL,  Very successful today.

‘COULD’, that happen, again?

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Reply #19 - 01/12/17 at 22:25:21
 
One of those old quarters, worn and beaten, Already costs more than a dollar. I think the dimes cost more than a buck.
I would certainly recommend a bag of those coins.
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Reply #20 - 01/18/17 at 06:12:00
 
I thought this was the most intelligent thread I've seen here in ages. Well, at least one of the most thought provoking.


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Reply #21 - 01/18/17 at 08:20:07
 
West Berlin was not seized by the US (and France and England)nor officially was east berlin seized by USSR; they were occupied zones ( a subtle linguistic difference I am sure to the folks who were living there at the time.

It is an interesting question, why haven't we destroyed the Oil pumping ability of lands occupied by ISIS to eliminate a major source of income?

I do not think the NEOCON vision was for the USA to annex the Middle East, just to me make it like us (capitalism) under a more compliant governmental form.   Smiley
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Reply #22 - 01/18/17 at 08:28:22
 
Oh, and JOG, the firebombing of Dresden during WWII was not to destroy weapons, but to destroy the will of the German people to continue the War (I believe).  As were Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the goal was to destroy the will, not the ability to fight. (Without water, fighting is a tough sell.)

For a mildly inflammatory question Roll Eyes Roll Eyes do you think Putin promised Trump rights to develop super swanky hotels on the Black or Caspian Seas in return for a 180 degree change in us policy towards Russia's attempts to rebuild its Empire.  Just a follow-up to the hotel thought earlier.
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Reply #23 - 01/18/17 at 16:55:46
 
Trippah wrote on 01/18/17 at 08:28:22:
" ...do you think Putin promised Trump rights to develop super swanky hotels on the Black or Caspian Seas in return for a 180 degree change in us policy towards Russia's attempts to rebuild its Empire.


Don’t know.   Was it before the election results?
Was a, deal, made,  “IF” ?
Is the USA, going to a kina  ‘limited’   Isolation ?
Is it a, ‘better of two evils’, ?
Is their some sort of, ‘exchange’ ?

No proof on any, one way or the other.

Do  Know, what ever it, be/would be,
is  MUCH   Better that, what H.R.C. and her ‘cartel’ would do.
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Reply #24 - 01/19/17 at 08:10:40
 
Trippah wrote on 01/18/17 at 08:28:22:
Oh, and JOG, the firebombing of Dresden during WWII was not to destroy weapons, but to destroy the will of the German people to continue the War (I believe).  As were Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the goal was to destroy the will, not the ability to fight. (Without water, fighting is a tough sell.)

For Dresden, I believe that is correct.  Bombing to destroy the will of the people.
But H & N, it would be more correct to say we were holding the people hostage to destroy the will of the Government.  And even then, there was an attempt by the military circumvent the emperors will.
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Reply #25 - 01/19/17 at 08:31:33
 
Trippah wrote on 01/18/17 at 08:28:22:
Oh, and JOG, the firebombing of Dresden during WWII was not to destroy weapons, but to destroy the will of the German people to continue the War (I believe).  As were Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the goal was to destroy the will, not the ability to fight. (Without water, fighting is a tough sell.)

For a mildly inflammatory question Roll Eyes Roll Eyes do you think Putin promised Trump rights to develop super swanky hotels on the Black or Caspian Seas in return for a 180 degree change in us policy towards Russia's attempts to rebuild its Empire.  Just a follow-up to the hotel thought earlier.



I doubt there was any talk of hotel locations in exchange for a sane foreign policy. To see Trump build in Russia wouldn't be a surprise.
If you're a warmonger and pushing the globalist agenda, being offered places to put hotels won't be sufficient appeasement.
Trump is invested in high end hotels. He NEEDS wealthy people, so they can rent his rooms. He NEEDS tourism.
Poor people don't travel a lot, and who wants to visit a war torn country? Unlike all of the
Invested in the duh fense industry
Types, Trump benefits from peace and prosperity.
The other politicians,,, ehhh, not so much.
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Reply #26 - 01/19/17 at 14:12:14
 
I really do not think the wealthy are much  impacted by the mess of war; their companies profit from them (the occasional Sadam H notwithstanding).  I was just pulling the hypothetical leg, I don't think they plotted the future TRUMP Svestapol either.

The interesting thing is that the value of the US dollar  was reported yesterday as already falling, a favorite goal of "mega corp " as it will make them" more competitive " in the world market.  We will see.
This paper money vs gold standard vs oil standard is far beyond me but I feel my new Jetta slipping away. Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - 01/19/17 at 14:48:43
 
I don't see how war boosts five star hotels.
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Reply #28 - 01/19/17 at 15:00:49
 
The people involved in the war don't travel (per se) but the folks who fund, them, sell the weapons, gain control of new deposits of wealth (oil, gold, cadmium) etc  do travel, and to 5 star hotels.  If you think about it, what is a capitalist's worse product - something that never breaks or needs maintenance, once sold you make no more money.  What is the best, something that is made, sold, used briefly and then destroyed so it must be replaced by your  newer better product, among which weapons are a prime example. Cool  But its all good.
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Reply #29 - 01/19/17 at 17:00:49
 
(Calling, researching, discovering)
As to  ’silver’.  (coins)
(as to  known to be,   USA  minted  Money,  Pre 64, and NO, Numismatic,  added value)

’Spot’ Price, is a,  ’Sell’,  Price,   A   ’Silver USA coin contains  90%’.
At, $16.00,  a  1/2 is  7.20, a  Quarter is, 3.60,  a  Dime is, 1.40.   (At today's paper dollar  value)
            ’Spot’ price,  -  10%.
However, it seems, a, Silver Dollar, holds at,  ’Spot’, despite, it also is 90%.

If, Buying such coins, from a  dealer, they charge, 10-20%   More, than the, ’Spot’ price to purchase.

This was a issue for me,  If  H.R.C.  would have won,  As I believe, bread was going  UP.
Now, it doesn’t seem like it !

The big thing,  ’silver’, rounds, or bars, (not USA Coins),
Even though, they are stamped  with .999 Pure, and a Name.
Several ‘coin/metal’, dealers, said their would be a,  ‘Assay’,  charge, on each piece.
   (to determine if it is, ‘really’)
A Few  dealers said,  that was total  B.S., because it IS, a known amount.

So  just a share, on what I found out.
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