Can we be adults, and share ideas on what might work?

Looking for ideas, input.
It seems we need some consensus as to what we need, and how we go about getting it.

You guys living outside America, who have a healthcare system for your population, can you share with us?

old.indian wrote on 01/24/17 at 06:53:09:


I agree with 1, but there is no way to do 1 and 2 together, its just not plausible.  If you want it to be available for all its going to be expensive b/c the people paying are going to have to pay for the part of the "all" that aren't paying or who are heavily subsidized.  THAT IS GOING TO JACK UP PRICES.    

Single payer means the government runs the show, what part of the DMV or the post office gives you the confidence that the government can run anything effectively.  The government can not solve your problems it can only create them.  Look at the NHS in the UK for a glimpse at how single payer works out, or the people in Canada dying while waiting on line for treatment.

Healthcare being available for all is another entitlement that will insentivise poverty and single motherhood, which will continue to destroy families.  Access for all is a much more plausible suggestion.

raydawg wrote on 01/24/17 at 08:10:25:

Serowbot wrote on 01/24/17 at 09:00:50:


Yea b/c all the people who got screwed by UK and Canada's systems are dead and can't complain.

Serowbot wrote on 01/24/17 at 09:00:50:



The deep love of their system must be an improvement over how they were feeling thirty years ago when I had my wife in Scott and White in Temple Texas. Their RV parking lot was just loaded with license plates from Canada.

Well, you can't deny that something is wrong with the US healthcare system...

raydawg wrote on 01/24/17 at 12:08:20:

T And T Garage wrote on 01/24/17 at 11:35:01:

Single payer OPTION (medicare for everyone), you can always purchase private/ACA policies, and keep many of the ACA rules intact - 26 y/o student, no pre-existing condition, prescription coverage, etc.  
Further, and possibly more importantly, allow insurance companies to compete across state lines. (the big guys like aetna and bcbs hate that idea)

This will actually lower rates.

Cool, this is what I am looking for.
Can you give a more detailed explanation.
Like scenario and examples and why it would be the way to go?

The scenarios are too numerous for me to get into any detail, and I'm no author, but there's a great article on the pros and cons of a public option here:

http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/08/02/would-a-public-option-improve-obamacare/

By no means is the public option a be-all end-all solution.  IMHO, it would be a great component of ACA or trumpcare or whatever it's going to be called tomorrow.  

I think everyone agrees that there's still more that can be done to improve the healthcare industry - like tort reform, punish price gouging from big pharma, setting limits on deductibles based on income, etc. - that would also help.

T And T Garage wrote on 01/24/17 at 13:16:15:


cool, i'll check it out....

i don't understand why a profit has to be made on medicine, medical, i get the argument it provides incentive....
i don't understand why education has to be for profit...
i don't understand why war..... has to be for profit.