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cool, i'll check it out....

i don't understand why a profit has to be made on medicine, medical, i get the argument it provides incentive....
i don't understand why education has to be for profit...
i don't understand why war..... has to be for profit.
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while I understand the sentiment behind your view, and I think not for profit is a great thing, I think your are selling the incentive thing a little short.  Without profit there is little incentive to innovate, unless you are relying on altruism, and I wouldn't want to rely on that.  How willing would you be to put in the hard work, long hours, and the risk of losing money on something if you weren't going to make a profit if it becomes successful. It destroys the risk reward system.

raydawg wrote on 01/24/17 at 15:59:51:


I don't think you are interpreting what is meant by pursuit of happiness correctly,  but ill play along what if someones happiness is making a lot of money while doing something they are passionate about such as invent new medical equipment and procedures.  Then you would be infringing on their happiness wouldn't you.

If the USA,  did Not spend a VERY  Significant amount of  Money,
on their,   Defense, of  the Nations,
(Who have a  miscue budget for Defense, of their  OWN,  Nation.
Which the USA   Provides,  FOR   THEM.

The USA  government, through taxes, could have a total  mediocre  H.C. system,
just like the Other places, that the USA, pays to,  Defend.
If they did not  spend it’s money, on  Defending, ‘Other”, places.

Ya want  BOTH ?
OK,  Get used to paying 40+% of your wages in Tax !

Or,  stop the,  BILLIONS, going out to ‘Banana Republics’.
Stop the  BILLIONS, going to the, (USA   FUNDED),   UN.
Stop  the  Billions,  going to a, ’study’, of a  two peker billy goat, in some place no one has ever heard of.
  (Because  of  some representative, slipped his  ‘Pork’, in a bill)

Etc  Etc  Etc.

Then, if you want, you can have  a, ’Nat HC  plan’,
Just Like, oh say Canada,  where  ‘doctors’, are  scrambling, to get employed by their government,
so they get paid  Big  BUCKS, to do nothing.
Because if the issue is serious, they come to the USA for quality treatment.

Solution to,  ‘affordable’, HC, is simply,
OPEN,  to ALL,   any plan, from any State !
A Little thing, called,  ‘competition’, which now.
Is a,   ‘Monopoly’ !

Or, pay 40+% of wages in Taxes, to have
Both, a, ‘government run HC  program,
AND
A Military,  which PROTECTS, many, other Nations,
 which are,  (as previously stated here),  ‘Civilized’ !

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/17 at 19:35:18:

" ... Americans pay more for some prescriptions than in Canada, prescriptions that were made in America.. they get the same pill, but we pay more..or, so I have heard..

Some years ago, went to a dentist to have a tooth pulled.
He gave me a prescription for 10, ‘Amoxicillin’, 200mg  to take, Before the ‘pulling’.
Cost was, $25.00

That’s,  $25.00  Dollars, for  10,  200 mg pills,
for the  the SAME   Thing,  3 months  Later
I Bought in Mexico.
Which was $12.50 for,  100,  500 mg, of the  SAME  THING.

So USA,   $2.50 a  pill for 200mg
vs
$0.0125  for a 500 mg of the SAME THING.

Per  Pill: 2.50 US  - 5 CENTS   Mexico.
 
 NOW, for the ‘Panty in a bunch crowd’,
  (Who will say it is not the same)
I  Pealed off the  Spanish Label off,
and Under that is said:
MADE  in the  PA  USA   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  (And it was within date)

And, the store on Mexico, did NOT sell that for Less than cost.
THEY  made a profit on it.

So, here, it was basically,   5 Cents, vs  2.50 ?????????

Nothing wrong with making a profit,  nothing at all.

But, a  TOTALY  OBSCENE   Profit  ????????

Of Course, as  T&T said,   that,  ‘Reality’ which I, ‘Really’ experienced,
Is  Not, ‘Real’.   !!!!!!!
  (So Grateful for that ‘knowledge’)

“…They CREATED a need for rooms full of people who are driving costs up. …”

Solution:   Competition,  NOT,   Monopoly !

Who taught us that?
Yes, I understand it's motivation, but we need to be honest and admit it spawns greed......
That is the crux.

How do we overcome it?
Nelson Mandela remarked, wealth without humility is toxic, I totally agree.
However, we can't legislate morality.
We shouldn't, but yet you see the left trying to accomplish that via media, academia, and courts, through political avenues....

It's a big part to the populist wave currently.
Prior to that, the conservatives took to impose biblical interpretations of morality.....
You can't.
Any time you use force, or punitive measures to bend the will of another, you have inadvertently set up a condition for conflict.

I will use this destructive behavior by man, tho justified by the current mindset, that to make money off of real estate is acceptable behavior.
One very strong instinct and need of man is shelter, a home, a place where new new life can foster.
It is no longer affordable to many.
Will I take that need of others, their concern for roots, when selling my house, or will I get max dollars for it?
I know the answer and admit, I put myself first....
I too am trapped in this mindset.

Where, when, why, did we adopt this profit and the cost of civilization?
Has it provided us with peace?
Serenity?

I know the answer lies with me.
I need to give, before I take, however, I don't know how, those leaders and lessons have perished from our society.

Human nature, or animal nature?
Is man on top of the evolutionary chain/creation?

Viture, who's?
Is it universal without regard to any environmental constraints, societal structures?

Who shall teach it?
How?

Joer0952 wrote on 01/24/17 at 23:37:21:

...and that's why America has all the innovation in medicine...
NOT...

Many medical innovations come from places with NHS.
Profit doesn't encourage innovation,... it just encourages more profit.  Some innovation may come a side benefit...
Consider... there is more profit in keeping people sick and treating symptoms than in curing them.