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Reply #30 - 01/25/17 at 08:32:52
 
Put your proposal together, mail it to Trump.
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Reply #31 - 01/25/17 at 10:29:07
 
I'm still waiting to hear about virtue.....

As a child growing up, I heard many rumors way back then about a carburetor that would give cars 100's miles per gallon. The big energy bought the invention and buried it...
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Reply #32 - 01/25/17 at 10:51:46
 
"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."
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Reply #33 - 01/25/17 at 10:57:18
 
raydawg wrote on 01/25/17 at 10:29:07:
I'm still waiting to hear about virtue.....

As a child growing up, I heard many rumors way back then about a carburetor that would give cars 100's miles per gallon. The big energy bought the invention and buried it...
Cynicism is nothing new  Grin


I don't understand what your waiting to hear I was just mimicking what you said, virtue is just behavior showing high moral standards.  You said you can't legislate morality, and I was agreeing with you
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Reply #34 - 01/25/17 at 11:04:03
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/25/17 at 10:51:46:
"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."


Since we are interjecting Beatles lyrics for seemingly no reason, I will do so as well.  I think this one accurately reflects the Obama Trump transition with a little added reflection on the state of our Universities:

It's getting better all the time
I used to get mad at my school
The teachers who taught me weren't cool
You're holding me down, turning me round
Filling me up with your rules.

I've got to admit it's getting better
A little better all the time
It can't get much worse
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Reply #35 - 01/25/17 at 11:21:02
 
raydawg asks a question that has baffled philosophers and everyone else since the dawn of time.

There is no real answer.  Why are people compassionate?  What's the value in helping someone else at your expense?  Why do we care about anyone but ourselves?  Why be polite?  Why show respect?  Etc., etc.

To ask why is kind of futile.

In the end, maybe all we can do is have faith.
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Reply #36 - 01/25/17 at 12:38:39
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/25/17 at 11:21:02:
raydawg asks a question that has baffled philosophers and everyone else since the dawn of time.

There is no real answer.  Why are people compassionate?  What's the value in helping someone else at your expense?  Why do we care about anyone but ourselves?  Why be polite?  Why show respect?  Etc., etc.

To ask why is kind of futile.

In the end, maybe all we can do is have faith.


Thank you  Smiley

Edit: when I first read Dr. Wayne Dyer ( I think that was his name ) I thought how selfish his message.
But as I grew, became more aware, less victimized, I see the value in what he reports.
You are basically no good to anyone, unless you are good to yourself first.
Now view this through the motivation of sustainability, removing the obstacles that challenge, sustainability, and that would be a toxic self.....
Which really is self multination, which morphs to pity, indulgences, etc.
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Reply #37 - 01/25/17 at 21:19:25
 
Well, I worked in the healthcare system all my life.  There has to be some sort of rational study, and I do not think that will ever happen.

Costs...do you count the cost of the clerks at the drs practice that code the billing, and the billing office that submits to as many ins co's you have, and the billing folks there who review the bills and ok them, then the rebilling after the first series has taken place.  If you wonder why you get asked the same stupid often irrelevant questions (to the issue which you are seeing the md) it is because those ?s allow the md to bill for more money.

Old age..because of many reasons, we spend a fortune on people the last year or 2 of their life...heart attacks and strokes that go to ICU etc, incredible numbers of meds to help with the conditions.  In review, might it be better to help those who are infirm and in nursing homes , icu,s  for the aged, Altzheimer's who don't recognize their own children (my mother was one so don't flame me, this is just a discussion) to go on to their just rewards.  I know, a tough issue.

Training md's is expensive, and they therefore have a short window of work to make up all the money they spent plus all the money they didn't earn while in training.  Perhaps if the government picked up the costs for all md's, the md's wouldn't have to charge so much?

Most md's are very conservative, using techniques they learned while in their 20-30's.  New treatments take time to filter in.  This is where competition helps, the hospital with the latest treatment system gets the advertising war victory.

Equipment costs are unbelievable, x-ray up through modern MRI can be super costly, so they are used ling after newer and better machines are available.  And while I read someone's blurb about lasik surgery is now cheaper because of capitalism, I believe you will find it was developed in mother Russia when it was the USSR.  All those fibre optic scopes (a big manufacturer is here in Onondaga County NY cost, and even things like curettes and scalples cost big dollars because I suspect to cover upcoming legal costs.  (The grooves in the scalpel were 1cm to shallow so it slipped in my hand, sue the scalpel Co., not the surgeon. Shocked
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Reply #38 - 01/26/17 at 03:21:58
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/25/17 at 10:57:18:
raydawg wrote on 01/25/17 at 10:29:07:
I'm still waiting to hear about virtue.....

As a child growing up, I heard many rumors way back then about a carburetor that would give cars 100's miles per gallon. The big energy bought the invention and buried it...
Cynicism is nothing new  Grin


I don't understand what your waiting to hear I was just mimicking what you said, virtue is just behavior showing high moral standards.  You said you can't legislate morality, and I was agreeing with you


Yes, I get understand that, I was just trying to draw out some definitions on morality, virtue, etc, seems vague, at best, but we strive for it?

How can any of us, become that of what we can't define?
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