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Reply #45 - 01/30/17 at 11:42:07
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 09:46:56:
The point is - Chicago is far from the worst in terms of crime/murder per-capita.  The righties use us as whipping post and it's just not accurate.


Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings ....   How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that.  The left has run that city for what 80 years....

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Reply #46 - 01/30/17 at 12:41:52
 
pg wrote on 01/30/17 at 11:42:07:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 09:46:56:
The point is - Chicago is far from the worst in terms of crime/murder per-capita.  The righties use us as whipping post and it's just not accurate.


Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings ....   How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that.  The left has run that city for what 80 years....

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*sigh*.... Ahem....

PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!!


It's actually MORE DANGEROUS to walk down the streets of St. Louis, Baltimore or Oakland.......

Chicago alone has nearly 3 million people in 234 sq. miles.  

Missouri has barely 6 million people and 69 THOUSAND sq. miles......

So, for the last time..... PER-CAPITA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!

And how many times do I have to say that I'm NOT defending the left or the right......???

Sheesh!  It's like talking to a brick......
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Reply #47 - 01/30/17 at 12:51:45
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 12:41:52:
pg wrote on 01/30/17 at 11:42:07:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 09:46:56:
The point is - Chicago is far from the worst in terms of crime/murder per-capita.  The righties use us as whipping post and it's just not accurate.


Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings ....   How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that.  The left has run that city for what 80 years....

Best regards,



*sigh*.... Ahem....

PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!!


It's actually MORE DANGEROUS to walk down the streets of St. Louis, Baltimore or Oakland.......

Chicago alone has nearly 3 million people in 234 sq. miles.  

Missouri has barely 6 million people and 69 THOUSAND sq. miles......

So, for the last time..... PER-CAPITA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!

And how many times do I have to say that I'm NOT defending the left or the right......???

Sheesh!  It's like talking to a brick......


Man your really big on this per capita thing, I wish you could get the leaders over at BLM to understand that concept.
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Reply #48 - 01/30/17 at 12:57:52
 


Sheesh!  It's like talking to a brick......

welcome to the brick yard Grin
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Reply #49 - 01/30/17 at 13:00:29
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/30/17 at 12:51:45:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 12:41:52:
[color=#0000ff]pg wrote on 01/30/17 at 11:42:07:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 09:46:56:
The point is - Chicago is far from the worst in terms of crime/murder per-capita.  The righties use us as whipping post and it's just not accurate.


Well it is a little bit, 4,300+ shootings ....   How many states can be lumped together don't come close to that.  The left has run that city for what 80 years....

Best regards,



*sigh*.... Ahem....

PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!!


It's actually MORE DANGEROUS to walk down the streets of St. Louis, Baltimore or Oakland.......

Chicago alone has nearly 3 million people in 234 sq. miles.  

Missouri has barely 6 million people and 69 THOUSAND sq. miles......

So, for the last time..... PER-CAPITA has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!

And how many times do I have to say that I'm NOT defending the left or the right......???

Sheesh!  It's like talking to a brick......


Man your really big on this per capita thing, I wish you could get the leaders over at BLM to understand that concept.
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LOL, the whole BLM, at its base, it aimed directly at that very thing..

If you look at conviction rates for similar infractions, minorities are far more likely to serve time over a non-minority for the same offense.

Shots are taken a lot faster at a black minority than any other.

It's not like the BLM is saying ONLY black lives matter, it's that they matter the SAME as others.


Once again, the topic veers...... sheesh.
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Reply #50 - 01/30/17 at 13:00:52
 
thumperclone wrote on 01/30/17 at 12:57:52:
Sheesh!  It's like talking to a brick......

welcome to the brick yard Grin



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Reply #51 - 01/30/17 at 13:10:33
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 13:00:29:
PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!!


That will make the family of the individual feel better who has a canoe where his head used to be.

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Reply #52 - 01/30/17 at 13:16:53
 
pg wrote on 01/30/17 at 13:10:33:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 13:00:29:
PER-CAPITA!!!!!!!!!


That will make the family of the individual feel better who has a canoe where his head used to be.

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It's like talking to a tomato......  

But I guess you have to have the last word....

Go ahead.   smh
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Reply #53 - 01/30/17 at 13:59:39
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 13:00:29:
LOL, the whole BLM, at its base, it aimed directly at that very thing..

If you look at conviction rates for similar infractions, minorities are far more likely to serve time over a non-minority for the same offense.

This is not true.  Differences in conviction and sentencing rates by race are due to differences in the gravity of the criminal offenses, prior records or other legal variables. A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases in the country's 75 largest urban areas actually found lower felony prosecution rates for blacks than whites and that blacks were less likely to be found guilty at trial.

Shots are taken a lot faster at a black minority than any other.


Where do you have evidence of this?


It's not like the BLM is saying ONLY black lives matter, it's that they matter the SAME as others.

I referenced black lives matter because if you compare statistics from the FBI and DOJ you will see that demographics of people killed by cops is directly proportional to the demographics of violent criminals in this country. That is cops aren't racist thugs that set out each day with the goal to kill a black person.
Once again, the topic veers...... sheesh.

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Reply #54 - 01/30/17 at 14:04:53
 
Joer0952 wrote on 01/30/17 at 13:59:39:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 13:00:29:
LOL, the whole BLM, at its base, it aimed directly at that very thing..

If you look at conviction rates for similar infractions, minorities are far more likely to serve time over a non-minority for the same offense.

This is not true.  Differences in conviction and sentencing rates by race are due to differences in the gravity of the criminal offenses, prior records or other legal variables. A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases in the country's 75 largest urban areas actually found lower felony prosecution rates for blacks than whites and that blacks were less likely to be found guilty at trial.

Shots are taken a lot faster at a black minority than any other.


Where do you have evidence of this?


It's not like the BLM is saying ONLY black lives matter, it's that they matter the SAME as others.

I referenced black lives matter because if you compare statistics from the FBI and DOJ you will see that demographics of people killed by cops is directly proportional to the demographics of violent criminals in this country. That is cops aren't racist thugs that set out each day with the goal to kill a black person.
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The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.
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Reply #55 - 01/30/17 at 14:35:24
 
I don't know where you got those numbers but your chopping up statistic to an age range that fits their narrative.  I on the other hand look at total numbers by race b/c cops don't id check a person like a bouncer at a bar before they pull the trigger.  according to the doj whites make up about 43% and blacks 22% of violent criminal offenders.

https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

The Washington post reported that 47% of those killed by cops is white and 24% is black.  

https://www.statista.com/chart/5211/us-citizens-killed-by-police-2016/

do you see the connection?
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Reply #56 - 01/30/17 at 14:38:24
 
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 14:04:53:
The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.


Please site statistics with a source, the per-capita argument doesn't carry any weight when they are committing crimes.

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Reply #57 - 01/30/17 at 15:09:53
 
pg wrote on 01/30/17 at 14:38:24:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 14:04:53:
The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.


Please site statistics with a source, the per-capita argument doesn't carry any weight when they are committing crimes.

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well it does as long as you use the criminal population and not the general population as your "capita"  Grin
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Reply #58 - 01/30/17 at 15:12:30
 
pg wrote on 01/30/17 at 14:38:24:
T And T Garage wrote on 01/30/17 at 14:04:53:
The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.


Please site statistics with a source, the per-capita argument doesn't carry any weight when they are committing crimes.

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My data was indeed flawed - my bad.  As it turns out, it was based on incomplete FBI stats.

However, I did find this read quite interesting and based on census and good FBI stats for 2015.

Enjoy:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-whit...


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Reply #59 - 01/30/17 at 15:21:20
 
they use correct statistics but they analyzed them poorly.  It you compare the demographics of the general population, like they did, with the demographics of those killed by cops then it appears biased.  But, to compare those 2 is misguided because it implies that in an unbiased society all members of that society should be equally likely to be killed by a cop.  That is fundamentally wrong, someone committing violent crimes logically would have a much higher likelihood of finding themselves in an altercation with a police officer that would lead to their death than your average joe working the 9 to 5.  For this reason comparing the demographics of violent crime offenders to the demographics of those killed by cops is much more apropo, and when you do so you see that the statistics line up very nicely as I have previously stated and you can look at my previous post for links to back it up.  
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