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Re: How do you like your internet?
Reply #30 - 02/15/17 at 10:54:27
 
MnSpring wrote on 02/14/17 at 19:10:26:
T And T Garage wrote on 02/13/17 at 19:57:05:
OK genius - tell us all - what the heck do subsidies have to do with net neutrality??    (this ought to be good....)  


Well   guessing, if you cannot see,
What  the ramifications are in Europe,
as to all the ‘refugees’,  (in their  Trojan Horse), are.

You are not going to see, or do the work,
to understand  what,  ’Subsidy’,  means.

Not  gonna  do it for you !


LMAO!!!!  WTH does that have to do with Net Neutrality????

Here's the definition Edited:
   


"The principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet should treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication."

You really may want to think before you post....LOL
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Reply #31 - 02/15/17 at 18:51:16
 
The principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet should treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication."

Why would anyone want it otherwise unless they had a desire to throttle certain content?
I think it's a bad idea to end neutrality. Depending on the ideology of the providers, a website could be targeted and limited in their ability to reach those who try to access the site.
IDK enough about how it all works, maybe that's not even possible.
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Reply #32 - 02/17/17 at 05:27:50
 
You got it JOG.

Neutrality makes all data the same on the net. A packet of data is just a packet of data. It doesn't make any difference if it's a packet of a video, a packet of data to render a web page, voice communication, email, it's all treated the same in a neutral situation.

The tech exists to throttle (in both directions) almost any data on the internet. Say you're Time-Warner cable, you want your customers to have a great experience watching your streaming content. You can easily turn up the packet priority for video packets originating in your network to make this happen.  You aren't slowing the data incoming from the rest of the net. But, effectively you are because your internal video will have priority to travel before someone else's does.

If you're selling a telephone service that works over your network, you'll want to make sure it has priority so you don't get break-ups like on a cell in fringe areas. You turn up the priority for your voice service to achieve this. Now, you don't turn up the priority for any other voice service on your network.suddenly all other internet phone services that people may have are at a disadvantage due to the priority of your service. In many cases in order to 'encourage' sales of your telephone service, you might actually turn down the priority for other voice services.

With the tech capabilities available, just about anything can be prioritized or deprioritized at the whim of the network provider.

He can make a deal with a streaming service, in exchange for some funding sent his way, to provide priority treatment for that streaming service. This could make it hard for smaller startups to get going. It could put some out of business.

Wioth the tech capabilities, it might be nice to prioritize certain types of traffic but probably the only way would be to have the prioritizations a matter of regulation so everybody boosts or cuts priority of the same traffic types equally. Otherwise, you'll end up with a bunch of cross payments all over the place to increase this, decrease that...you want to watch HBO's internet service, no problem....now would you like that standard (no additional charges), with a little speedup (small charge to your provider to increase priority a little(, or would you like the super speedup (bigger payment to your provider for much better priority) This is the kind of thing everybody's worried about. $2 per month to give better response for youtube, $5 a month to prioritize xyz internet phone so you'll get clear calls, want to watch netflix without stops in the video, that'll be $8 additional per month.

You get the idea why some want it so much and others don't want it just as badly.
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Reply #33 - 02/17/17 at 09:19:24
 
I'll see your common sense and raise you a conspiracy theory. Imagine an internet that can be tuned to allow or disallow content.
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Reply #34 - 02/17/17 at 09:43:15
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/17/17 at 09:19:24:
I'll see your common sense and raise you a conspiracy theory. Imagine an internet that can be tuned to allow or disallow content.



I think that is happening now to some extent. The big search engines use algorithms to decide what pops up at the top of the page. And the social Media sites decide what shows up on their news feeds. Advertising revenue drives some of that, but I don't think there is any doubt that there is a political component also.
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Reply #35 - 02/17/17 at 11:44:58
 
Ah HA! Just as I Suspected! A closet conspiracy theorist,,,,
I've seen indicators of what you are talking about. Start typing a subject that would be bad news for the left and it doesn't pop up if it's particularly damming.
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Reply #36 - 02/19/17 at 10:00:21
 
You are correct in that it could filter out some content that certain people don't want seen for most of the people searching.  Some would still find it.

Google has stated it is working with the CIA to help rank search results.
(naa certainly no political bent there) This has been going on for a couple of years.

Government does on occasion (usually related to an ongoing case) request that certain search results be hidden.

Ad revenues do certainly come into play with what pops up on some sites and searches as well.  Usually denoted as sponsored searches or something similar.
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Reply #37 - 02/19/17 at 11:06:35
 

Ad revenues do certainly come into play with what pops up on some sites and searches as well.

And revenue given up from one source can be made up from another.
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