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Reply #15 - 02/26/17 at 10:33:48

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/26/17 at 09:39:58:

I went to Tractor Supply, the usual Rotella 15/40 , always there, spot. The T3 is now T 4,the lone quarts of T 3 are Five Bucks,,
Gallons of T4 are $13.00,
So, I looked and read and found no ZDDP numbers anywhere..
Questions to the learned..
Is the T4 gonna protect the cam as is or do I need to buy a bottle of Red Line?
If I need it, how much should I add to a gallon?
I would open a gallon, add, shake it up, or, do it however you guys say..

Ruttly said

I read here to just add 1 ounce of redline to the engine during the oil change

But was that the T3 or 4? At around 1200 PPM, the ZDDP starts doing damage.. The T3, alone has seen one engine make 150,000 miles and everything passed inspection except rings and maybe valve guide and IIRC, valve stems were looking ready to give up.

I was really hoping to find gallons of T3, so I didn't pay close attention. I apologize for needing to have it repeated,

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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #16 - 02/26/17 at 11:10:47 JOG , That was the old Rotella recipe not sure about the newer Rotella , that's what I read here on forum. Maybe someone can help us with it !
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Reply #17 - 02/26/17 at 12:06:59

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/26/17 at 10:33:48:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/26/17 at 09:39:58:

I went to Tractor Supply, the usual Rotella 15/40 , always there, spot. The T3 is now T 4,the lone quarts of T 3 are Five Bucks,,
Gallons of T4 are $13.00,
So, I looked and read and found no ZDDP numbers anywhere..
Questions to the learned..
Is the T4 gonna protect the cam as is or do I need to buy a bottle of Red Line?
If I need it, how much should I add to a gallon?
I would open a gallon, add, shake it up, or, do it however you guys say..

Ruttly said

I read here to just add 1 ounce of redline to the engine during the oil change

But was that the T3 or 4? At around 1200 PPM, the ZDDP starts doing damage.. The T3, alone has seen one engine make 150,000 miles and everything passed inspection except rings and maybe valve guide and IIRC, valve stems were looking ready to give up.

I was really hoping to find gallons of T3, so I didn't pay close attention. I apologize for needing to have it repeated,

If you are talking about my engine.. T6

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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #18 - 02/26/17 at 13:49:50

piedmontbuckeye wrote on 02/26/17 at 09:37:23:

Are you saying that NO ONE can make a better oil? Nothing else can ever come along? I guess there is no such thing as progress in your world!

Better in whose opinion? The EPA....the guys who are taking out the ZDDP and ruining our cams? The guys that are adding friction modifiers and making our clutches slip?

Sometimes "new and improved" isn't the right answer for old technology.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #19 - 02/26/17 at 14:55:22 Well, if it was good enough for Youzguys, I can see that, but I don't know if I wanna spend that much money on the backhoe oil. I don't know how it all stacks up.. I don't mind adding a bit of Red Line, but I don't wanna go overboard.
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Reply #20 - 02/26/17 at 15:53:02

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/26/17 at 14:55:22:

Well, if it was good enough for Youzguys, I can see that, but I don't know if I wanna spend that much money on the backhoe oil.
I don't know how it all stacks up.. I don't mind adding a bit of Red Line, but I don't wanna go overboard.

T6 costs, roughly, twice as much as T4/T3. Oil change interval is greater for T6. I try to remember to change my oil at 8,000 miles. Sometimes, it will be 10,000 before I get to it.
For my motorcycle (at least now that I am not throwing oil out the valves), T6 makes more sense. I don't like to change the oil, I would rather ride.

If your backhoe uses a significant amount of oil, and/or you enjoy changing the oil and/or there is some other reason your backhoe should have the less expensive oil, then.. yes, use the conventional oil.

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Reply #21 - 02/26/17 at 16:04:29

A 2 week old VOA of Rotella T4 10W-30 https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4304492/Rotella_t4_10w30
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Here is some base numbers on recent Rotella T that had run in a diesel for 30,000Kms (about 19,000 miles)
Started out stout and held up well https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/4312676/gon
ew/1/Rotella_T_15W40_30,000_Kms_On_#UNREAD

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Reply #22 - 02/26/17 at 19:07:11

Ah yes , once again Ruttly has stirred the pot of the oil discussions/arguments ! I still like hearing all the pros & cons of it all.
We need at least 2 oil wars a year so newbies can learn the errors of their ways !

I've been smiling all day !
I couldn't help myself , I simply threw the bait out , I wish real fish were that easy to catch !
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Reply #23 - 02/26/17 at 19:34:26

@Buster,

Bottom line is that it doesn't really matter what oil you use as long as there's no friction mods it's got about 1200 of zddp, just get in touch with the tech department of the oil manufacturers and ask them the zinc content I have always got an immediate and detailed reply from any oil company I've made a tech inquiry to. We don't have Rotella in Australia, so all I'm concerned about is spending an extra $20 dollars on an oil that is exactly the same as a cheaper one.

hotrod wrote on 02/26/17 at 05:43:12:

I use Rotella in everything; Mazda, Harley, Savage.

It makes a good sauce for bangers and mash too!

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gizzo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiCabbage. It's Savage. Posts: 1318 Australia	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #24 - 02/26/17 at 19:49:27 @ eau de sauvage: if it's any help, Penrite HPR Diesel is fine for the Cabbage. Yeah it's a bit more exxy than what our US brothers are used to paying for Rotella but in the long run it's no biggie. I'm buying in bulk on special and using it in all my bikes. That's all I have to say about oil.
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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #25 - 02/26/17 at 21:12:45

gizzo wrote on 02/26/17 at 19:49:27:

@ eau de sauvage: if it's any help, Penrite HPR Diesel is fine for the Cabbage. Yeah it's a bit more exxy than what our US brothers are used to paying for Rotella but in the long run it's no biggie. I'm buying in bulk on special and using it in all my bikes. That's all I have to say about oil.

Yep, I think we may have had this conversation before? Anyway yeah I had settled on that, was going to get the HPR GAS 10 15W50 but I bought the wrong one by mistake and got the HPR Diesel 10 10W40 which does not have the Jaso badge like the GAS 10 but it's not friction modified and it does have a motorbike on the front which is what confused me. I've recently put it in the GS500 and I was surprised to find it running quite cool, no problems yet so I think I'm OK to use it on the Savage next change, it's got the right zinc.

I have been warned by Penrite though that the formula on the HPR series could change in the future and may not be suitable, so to always check the label.

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gizzo Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiCabbage. It's Savage. Posts: 1318 Australia	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #26 - 02/27/17 at 03:46:05 Huh. YeH I think your right. And you mentioned that you'd heard from penrite that things might change. I should pay more attention . On with the oil war then...
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Papa Bear Senior Member Offline Posts: 476 Canada ... near the Motor City Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #28 - 02/27/17 at 05:07:03 Some good reading here. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4267945/1 Here's Harley's HD oil VOA https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3575297/Harley_Davidson_ HD360_20W/50_V#Post3575297
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #29 - 02/27/17 at 06:17:52 Dave , He's a smart boy !
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