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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #45 - 03/03/17 at 20:00:25 So cool , opinions from 14 members , everyone's welcome , feel free to chime in ! Agree to Disagree and then throw rocks !
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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #46 - 03/04/17 at 03:54:57

I do believe there may be better oils than Rotella T or T-6. They will be 2-3 times the cost of Rotella, they most likely will not be as easy to find in your local store (Walmart, Tractor Supply, Truck Stops, auto supply), and with the constantly changing formulas it is impossible for this forum to keep track of them.

This forum recommends the Rotella oils because they work well in the Savage, they prevent premature cam wear, they don't make the clutch slip, and they can protect the engine for many miles, and they are very affordable. We have not found any comparable priced oil that works as well.

Youzguys got 155,000 miles out of his engine before it needed a rebuild. The first 60,000 miles was on Mobil1, the last 95,000 miles was on Rotella T-6. The bottom end and the piston/cylinder was within spec and was put back into service with new rings. The valve guides were worn out........would they have lasted longer with a more expensive oil? Who knows.

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Kris01 Serious Thumper Offline Eat, sleep, RIDE! Posts: 3767 Tennessee Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #47 - 03/04/17 at 07:28:39 I'm getting the popcorn ready. This might prove to be fun!
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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #48 - 03/04/17 at 07:44:23

Ruttly wrote on 03/03/17 at 15:20:03:

Versy can throw insults he's a moderator and the rest of us just get moderated,but sticking up for Versy, there were no insults given that was just emotion , trust me you will know when you have been insulted , the most heated discussions outside of tall table are here and about oil ! Oil wars make for great entertainment, so please carry on ! Some get so butt hurt they never recover/return, please don't be one . Opinion are like a$$ holes every body's got one. We will listen please don't get bent ! Just have fun !

Thanks for your kind response! I really wasn't, with my first remark, trying to upset anyone, and especially insult anyone! My personal belief is to try to treat all with respect and kindness (isn't that a new country-western song? - and I HATE country-western music!!!).

I know from nearly everywhere I have been, that these sorts of questions almost always bring out the war paint. Everyone has a favorite!

I do have some favorites that have given me great service, and believe me, I have no ax to grind in any of this. I do like to hear experienced opinions. As a Presupposionalist, I almost always, however, tend to challenge one's pre-conceived notions!

My current input was only to the effect that as modern research as been, I would challenge anyone that there MIGHT be, or there COULD be some new oils that may even be better than their favorites.

A while back I volunteered to help fund a new oil analysis to see if there were some new oils on the market that could suffice. That's all!

Believe me, I am NOT trying to upset anyone's apple cart!

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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #49 - 03/04/17 at 07:45:58

Dave wrote on 03/04/17 at 03:54:57:

I do believe there may be better oils than Rotella T or T-6. They will be 2-3 times the cost of Rotella, they most likely will not be as easy to find in your local store (Walmart, Tractor Supply, Truck Stops, auto supply), and with the constantly changing formulas it is impossible for this forum to keep track of them.

This forum recommends the Rotella oils because they work well in the Savage, they prevent premature cam wear, they don't make the clutch slip, and they can protect the engine for many miles, and they are very affordable. We have not found any comparable priced oil that works as well.

Youzguys got 155,000 miles out of his engine before it needed a rebuild. The first 60,000 miles was on Mobil1, the last 95,000 miles was on Rotella T-6. The bottom end and the piston/cylinder was within spec and was put back into service with new rings. The valve guides were worn out........would they have lasted longer with a more expensive oil? Who knows.

I think this was a GREAT and well-thought-out response! Congrats, Mike

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #50 - 03/04/17 at 07:52:32 I just wanna know if T4is as good as the T3 was. If I need to put some red line in, I will.
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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #51 - 03/04/17 at 07:59:30

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/04/17 at 07:52:32:

I just wanna know if T4is as good as the T3 was. If I need to put some red line in, I will.

I called Shell about a month ago, and talked to a tech rep, and she said yes to that question - at least that it was up to snuff on the ZDDP and is wet-clutch safe.

She only said NOT to use the T5. T6 was also safe. So, according to her, we have a choice of T4 or T6, conventional oil or pure synthetic oil, NOT the semi-synthetic.

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Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil
Reply #52 - 03/04/17 at 08:19:28

Hello again 😅

Just got my Motul and analysis kit in hand. Hope to have the test results back in a few weeks. Seems like a good oil, if you believe what I read on the label, but I won't use it continually unless it looks good on a VOA and more importantly...on a few back-to-back UOA tests.

Just a reminder: Motul 3000 4T 10w40 - Jaso MA2 Mineral oil that promises a "superior everything" additive package. Only thing that worries me on the label is the statement about it being recommended as an excellent "break-in" oil.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #53 - 03/04/17 at 08:25:22 Thank You Piedmontbuckeye .
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #54 - 03/04/17 at 08:31:47 What is "up to snuff" ? What is the ZDDP ppm in T4 & T6 ?
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #55 - 03/04/17 at 08:33:47 I just like the name ! ROTELLA Sounds like its good !
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #56 - 03/04/17 at 08:47:29 Popcorn & Popsicles (Grape) I'm ready , let's throw rocks !
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18603 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #57 - 03/04/17 at 10:07:34 Ruttly wrote on 03/04/17 at 08:47:29: Popcorn & Popsicles (Grape) ! You don't eat those together....do you?
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5506 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #58 - 03/04/17 at 10:19:29 Popcorn first !
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hotrod Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 326 NC Gender:	Re: Not sure if we can talk about oil Reply #59 - 03/04/17 at 10:25:40 A semi-synthetic oil is a blend of conventional oil and synthetic oil. What is the ratio ? 50:50 ? 100:1 ? Different for different brands ?
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