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Reply #45 - 04/01/17 at 19:35:16
 
Think the title was "Tuning your intake " and has links to the math.
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Reply #46 - 04/02/17 at 05:58:43
 
You're all smoking something. You can not make boost with a tuned intake runner. The best you can do is minimize flow losses. If you improve flow loss from 75% to 90%, you haven't made 15% of boost, you've improved flow.
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Reply #47 - 04/02/17 at 07:25:37
 
I'm with Gary on this one......you may improve flow, but you will never make a "boost" without a pump (turbo or supercharger).

The intake valve is only open for 1/4th of the 4 cycle process, and that means that 3/4th of the time the incoming air only has momentum to keep it moving....and there is a pulse created in the intake runner as the intake valve opens and closes.  Tuned intake runners can maximize the benefit of the momentum in the air mass and improve efficiency - but it cannot make boost.
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Reply #48 - 04/02/17 at 07:46:46
 
Ruttly wrote on 04/01/17 at 19:35:16:
Think the title was "Tuning your intake " and has links to the math.


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Reply #49 - 04/02/17 at 09:34:09
 
Perhaps BOOST was an improper term to use, but you can increase VE (volumetric efficiency),ideally by up to 30% by tuning the length of your intake.The post  started by me ,with many more members that knew their stuff ,giving the correct info,at the place Vercy posted above.
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Reply #50 - 04/02/17 at 11:15:38
 
Did the math , did extensive R & D on this one, months of work with tubes,elbows, different filters. Have a huge box of hoses ,tubes filters,clamps. Found out where you have a gain you have a loss ,was able to to move my mid range around somewhat but at the same time I would lose some power of the line(where I like power) or was unable to get to that last 7 or 8 mph on top cause I had a killer midrange tuned too low in the rpm range. At one point I had it  close but tubes duct taped to bike and air filter way too the rear wasn't going to stay,think I had gone to a additional bounce the pressure wave. It was fun and educational but the work did not equal the gain. A good cam or vm36 with UFO , Quad flow wing  , Intelajet will get you a better midrange punch. Not worth the time and effort for minimal gains !
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Reply #51 - 04/02/17 at 17:13:23
 
Verslagen ,seems to have had a bit of success doing it on his "beast" and I'm going to experiment with it myself.I think if you just try to use a length to capture the 4% and 7% to raise VE, in the rpm range you cruise and pass in ,it may prove to be worth it.
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Reply #52 - 04/02/17 at 19:04:57
 
At the risk of getting Versy upset and only he can say what's true. He came up with a cool dual filter intake , but I not so sure it had ram induction in mind when it was made and I'm pretty sure he's got a 40 or 42 mm Harley carb on it that needs the extra air intake flow.
So do tell Versy, inquiring minds want to know !
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Reply #53 - 04/02/17 at 19:20:02
 
In truth, I did not whip out my calculator and design my intake, it just looks right.
My carb was acquired carb, maybe off of a harley, you might be able to find another.
But I hear good things about a lector.
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Reply #54 - 04/02/17 at 19:50:58
 
Yes sometimes we acquire parts and sometimes a miracle happens , it all works perfect together. I thought I remembered you saying something like that before. If it wasn't for that RYCA battery box I would have moved the carb further away from the engine and a straight hose back to as huge foam air filter that way the engine would continue to suck the money directly from my wallet !!! Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #55 - 04/02/17 at 20:11:36
 
Batman what engine mods have you done so far ? But by far if you have room for a "Versy Type Intake-V.T.I." That would be the way to go . The longer intake I was using, but not the longest, worked well but I would have needed support brackets for carb & intake to keep it from pulling carb out of rubber manifold. However I am still searching for some light weight piping to play with !
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Reply #56 - 04/02/17 at 23:42:17
 
Ruttly,i'm running a stock motor,my only mods being ,spacer and rejetting of the carb,and a Dyna muffler.I've got a hold of a spare stock air box and side covers,and am gutting the box and using 2" pvc right off the stock rubber hose into a 90 elbow and small extension(length to be determined) in the neighborhood of18" .Air filters to be moved to the areas of the side covers which will end up twice as deep ,but the bike  will remain fairly stock looking (sleeper) 4% rise in EV should occur at 3877rpm-61 mph to 4336rpm-68mph,(superslab speed in N.Y. being 65).7% rise in EV should occur at4973rpm-78mph to 5683rpm-89mph in passing mode.I'm not looking for higher speeds as the bike will already do 90,I'm looking for more power to build speed on on ramps .to be able to pass a bit faster if need be and to have a bit more power as I am riding two up most of the time.the speeds above are 5th gear,being in4th would decease them by 4mph.
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Reply #57 - 04/03/17 at 05:57:00
 
Batman ,  Inorder to get more air in this engine you have be able to get more out to make it effective. I highly recommend that you do some work on the exhaust port !
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Reply #58 - 04/03/17 at 08:31:04
 
Ruttly ,yes ,have planed to do that,I've also thought about shortening the exhaust header slightly(less than an inch) as that favors higher rpms.
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Reply #59 - 04/03/17 at 10:08:48
 
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