Renewable Energy

Yep, it’s long.  
Few will read it to the end.
Rain off and on today, so when the rain drove me inside,
I would work on crafting this post.
   (Can’t work in the rain ya know,
    I’m so ’sweet’, I would  ‘Melt’)

 (But at the end, their IS, a  Question)

Wind Turbines
are Notoriously Inefficient.
They cost way to much to build and maintain, then they can EVER produce.
And when the FEDERAL, Tax Subsidies run out,
       (That would your be, YOUR  DOLLARS)
That company just goes out of business.
  Ever Look at the Massive Wind ‘Farms’  along I-10 in So Calf?

Underwater, ’turbines’, to catch the currents of the sea.
Good Idea, but they worked Even Less.

Problems, they need, Tremendous  Maintenance.  
And they just are NOT cost efficient.
And will cost MORE, to take down, then they cost to put up.

Photovoltaic Cells,
They are, 100+ times more efficient today, than 30 years ago.
And a House, that was fully outfitted with them,
(Cells, Wiring, Batteries, Inverter/s, etc.)
20 years ago, is on the edge of being Obsolete today.
If they switched all Incandescent Bulbs to  LED  Bulbs.
Would work better.

A house, Rural, 2 even 3 story, with even 10 people living in it.
And,  all the surface areas,
(Roof, garage, outbuildings)
Would be able to sustain itself, even make the elect meter run backwards,
(when the sun shines), and in a  area that has a High % of Sunny days.
           Works, and Works Well !
But Not a lot of people will make the added 20-30,000.00 investment,
up front, to save in the long run.
They Just Can’t afford it !

Now, that is ‘Rural’.
What about a Urban, 10, story apartment building,
with 10, 2 bedroom apartments on each floor.
You could Not put enough PV panels, on the E/W and Roof, to make it work.
And the cost, to do that, would be added to the rent.
So, Who, would rent them ?????
And if that were done,
it would have to be done in a area that the SUN  SHINES enough,
to make the, ‘Make-Up, cost less.

Minn has average of, 95 days of sunshine
Compare that with.
AZ,  193;  AK, 123;  CA, 146;  CO, 136;  KA, 128;  NV, 158;  NM, 167;  OK, 139;  TX, 135;  
A Whole bunch in the  100+  to  120-.
And the  Lowest?   Seattle  at  58 days
So why spend,  Huge amounts of  YOUR,  Money,
       (By Federal Subsidy’s)
To Build something, which will be out of date, in 5 years.
In a Place that is in the  BOTTOM, of days of sunshine?
Again,  WHO, get’s the money  ????
It sure ain’t YOU.  And it Sure is  NOT, for the environment !!!!

Wood Burning,
Many,  MANY,  people burn wood for heat,
and have Effectively, used a totally,  ‘renewable’, source.
Yet the EPA and the, ‘wanna be king’, have done everything they can, to stop that.
    Have you ever asked yourself,  ‘WHY” !!!!!!!!!!!!!
   Is it for, Your pocket?  -  Or for Their, pocket?

Or could it be, that so many, ‘snowflakes’,
 (Living in a Densely Packed Urban area)
that want to burn wood, for, ‘Ambiance’.
And don’t have the first clue,
of what Kind of wood, what size of wood,
how to build and maintain a heating fire in a stove,
how to cut/dry/season wood, etc?
Perhaps, education, not  BANNING, would be in order.

Elect Cars,
Let’s see, how about one, made from a lot of ‘plastic’ parts, to make it lighter.
 How is, ‘plastic’ made ? What is the raw material ? What is the Battery made of ?
 How long does that battery last ? What is the, ‘carbon footprint’, to make it ?
If, Tesla, was Not ’ SUBSIDED’, it would NOT, even be in business.
 (As the rest).   WHO, pays for, ’their’  SUBSIDY ?????
Usually a battery lasts, 75-100,000 miles, then it will cost  4-6,000.00 to replace,
and  EVERYONE  Forgets, what to do with the old one,  
what,  just stick it in the corner of the garage, next to the old tires and used oil?
   (It will cost between 3-5,000.00 to,  recycle)
Where does the Elect to charge it, come from ?
A, ’Truly’  renewable resource?
Or one that is,  Highly,  SUBSIDED, by, YOU !


Poly Met Mine in Minn, who for the last 8+ years,
(After ‘quietly’, buying mineral rights, to land that one once mined, of Iron Ore)
And after meeting with Great Resistance from residents of Minn.
At First,  Gov, ‘Goofy’, the DNR, and the EPA, said No.
NOW,  Gov, ‘Goofy’, the DNR, and the EPA, say it is  OK ?????
When the FACTS ARE:
No sulfide mine has, ever, EVER, operated without polluting its nearby waters.
Treatment of pouted water, will be needed at the mine site,
for a minimum of 200 years and at the plant site for a minimum of 500 years.
And their ‘proposal’,  is to operate for 20 years ??????????

(Guess they will just let the EPA, deal with it,
then the EPA, can, ‘spill’, the pouted water, into a river,
which will go into Lake Superior.
And the EPA, will just shrug it’s shoulders.
After all, they don’t live here)

Now, why mine, sulfide’s,  (and side, Copper & Nickel)
What results in a battery, with a much longer lifespan.   ???????
What substance, is an essential piece of  electric vehicles.  ?????
    These are;  Just the tips of the ‘iceberg’.

Now, for the, "Underwear in a Bunch Crowd”

PV’s,  Yea, have a couple, plug the panel into a boat, and a old truck that I don’t use much.
And move it around, on winter stored, lawn mower/tiller/etc batteries.
It takes the sun, and even being inefficient,   (3-5 years old)
they do, trickle a little ‘juice’, rather than, “Plugging In”, a  Battery Charger.
Have a couple of  PV, lights, on a wood shed, which don’t use much when it is dark,
but sure better than caring a flashlight, and a armful of wood.

Burn Wood for heat in the house,
(Yea  Have a L.P furnace set at 60, and it doesn’t run very often)
Burn wood, for heat, in my insulated garage, when I want to, ‘play’ in it.
 (Gee could have put in elect or LP heater in stead)

Have been replacing Incandescent Light Bulbs with LED’s.  
when the old ones burn out.  (started out 20.00 +, now 3-5.00.  for a 8-850 Lumen one.
     (About 820-860 Lumens about equivalent to a 60 Watt)
(Skipped over the CLF’s, when found out how, TOXIC they are)

And a lot of other little things.
Which all add up,
  to the equivalent,
     of throwing a match into a bonfire.

Or perhaps, I should just,  ‘Play The Game’, and listen to the, ’Snowflakes’,
and  PAY,  the  SUBSIDES, so someone else,  can fly, First Class?

Their ARE,
Many Ideas out their, that are wonderful ideas, and DO work.
However.
They are NOT allowed, to do,
BECAUSE, no one is passing the ‘Left Hand Dollar’, (yet)

 Small wind Turbines,
(Smaller ones last Much longer and take Much less to maintain, than a 100+’ blade one)
The wind, powers a small amount of Elect to pump water from a well.
It goes into a tank, another small amount of elect, from the wind turbine,
(through Electrolysis)  Separates the Hydrogen and Oxygen from the water.

The Hydrogen powers a ICE, which turns a Elect generator,
Which can make 1000 times more Elect.
 (than a wind turbine could ever)
And  PAYS, for maintenance of the parts.

But  NO,  Can’t do that in Minn, cause one cannot,
take water out of the ground, (In a  SEALED System),
      and put it back in.

YET,  ‘Some”,  business, in Mpls/St.Paul, Duluth, Rochester.  
CAN, take water out of the ground, use it,
   Then  THROW IT AWAY !
(52-54 f temp), to heat or cool, then  DUMP it in the river or ‘big’ lake.

Oh, for the, ‘underwear’ people.
Where does Most of the Hydrogen come from now,
that is being experimented with?
Or used in some industries ?
It comes from reforming natural gas.
Oh, is that a,  ‘Renewable’  resource?
(Well maybe it would be, when the Dinosaurs return)
Does, Water, evaporate, turn into rain, then evaporate, then turn into rain, then …   ?

Methane Gas
40 years ago, when moved out here, found two steel barrels,
which one slipped over the other.
Filled the bottom with a neighbors, ‘Loose’, cow $hit,
top one, cut a small hole, attached a copper pipe,
and slipped it over the other. Set in the sun.
Couple of days, the top bbl started moving up,
Put a old LP gas ring to the pipe.
And had,  ‘gas’, to fire the gas ring, and cooked fish.
(Worked for a year, till the old steel barrels rusted with small pinholes)

MANY  People are doing these things, and  MUCH  MORE,  
on a regular basis.   It is SO  SIMPLE !!!!!!!!!

But no, ‘Left Hand Dollars’, so no one is doing it big time.

But, the, ’Snowflakes’ want to flip a switch,
 (In their ’Skyways’, and densely packed Urban areas)
For Heat/Cold/Light.
And have,  EVERYONE ELSE,  pay for it !!!!!

Understand the ‘little’ things,
are easier for a Rural person to do than a Urban,
Hi Rise, Townhouse/Condo, or Apartment dweller can.

But even in ’suburbia’, and some Rural areas their are, ’Snowflakes’.
How many times, have you heard about a local town console,
“Demanding”, that a  Lawn instead of a large garden is put in?
Let’s see, a Lawn Mowing, Gas, Fertilizer, and
then the produce from a garden, ‘GONE’,
 so to replace it,
Gas in trucks, to get it to the store,
More Coal burned to make Elect, to keep it cool.
Etc Etc Etc.

Or that console, ‘Condemns’ a front yard,
Which is planted in, Natural Prairie Grasses and Flowers.
And someone, (Who doesn’t have a clue)  complains.
     “Why Don’t They Mow that Weed Mess”

WOW, That’ s  ‘keeping it, ‘green’    LOLOLOLOLOL

Yet that console, BRAGS, how, ‘Green’ they are,
because they all use CFL’s  ?????????????

So now the question:
How can YOU, make, ‘Greener’,
     With OUT,
            someone ELSE, Paying for it ?

I was loosely involved in the renewable energy industry for a while. I was selling the precursor of carbon fiber into the high temperature fabric market so I certainly picked up a lot of information sitting next to and traveling with all the carbon fiber reps and engineers. And one of my customers had developed what at the time was one of the most promising energy storage systems, the Sodium/Sulphur battery.  

Here's what everyone within the industry knows. Wind and solar, under the best of circumstances, have a low energy density compared to fossil and nuclear power and secondly, have a capacity threshold that will limit their contribution to the grid far below what you're being told. The reason is storage. Neither wind or solar are on demand so for widespread usage, you absolutely must have adequate storage. They use the phrase energy storage systems, but it's just a more palatable term for battery.

The industry started with government subsidies and survives still because of them. There are certainly individual systems that are profitable on their own, but the vast, vast majority are not. Don't believe anyone who tries to tell you otherwise. They'll cherry pick geographical areas or organizations that hide funding. That's the ugly truth.

One of our engineers described solving the problem this way. Those darn three laws of thermodynamics are a curse...!  We like to think in the future, we'll have flying cars, but we won't unless some completely new method for storing energy is discovered which seems unlikely. You need X amount of energy to lift X amount mass in the atmosphere and right now, that energy requires X amount of space to store it. Same reason why rockets are so large, why you don't have electric planes etc...  Renewable energy is the same. We can't overcome the physics right now unless we swarm the surface of the planet with turbines and solar panels and even then, we need large batteries.

By the way, my customer with the new battery had a devastating fire breakout in one of their batteries and then went back to the drawing board.

Web, I help build the Boeing 787, which I am sure you know is a carbon fiber matrix.
Interesting stuff, but you need to be careful with it when drilling and fabricating, but thus far has exceeded all expectations and has proved to be far superior to aluminum clad.
Its early in the game, but I feel the product will get even better.

And too, this jet was the first commercial twin isle to not use wires (cables) for flight control, all electric, so to speak.
Yes, we use some fluid hydraulics on larger flight control surfaces, but most systems are electrical in nature.
With that batteries play a big part, and I am sure you have heard all about the lithium-ion battery issues we had.
Remember, these are only used while on the ground to maintain computers, etc, and start the engine.....
Not in flight.
The engines provide all power needed to sustain all systems of the aircraft once she is under way.
Even with a total power failure of both engines, it can still fly, sorta....
It has a turbine that is deployed from its belly and produces enough energy to power basic flight control systems.

Here is a video of it being tested on a live aircraft.
I worked on that bird, I installed the trailing edge flight controls on the RH wing, from the tip to SOB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYt05UW0ats

I am not sure how far this system can deliver the aircraft, nor do I work for functional testing.  

Back to the batteries, GS Yuasa never admitted to any fault in the ones that caught fire.
Boeing, nor the FAA, could find the cause either.
We built a new containment system that will not let any fire spread, if this happens again, but remember, they are only needed on the ground.
However, the fire can break out at anytime as we have seen with phones, laptops, etc, which use the same type of batteries.
I believe its cell contamination, some foreign matter that got into the battery cell, and reacts differently when charging (that is when the first incident started on the ground).
Once it reached a certain temperature it breached its own cell wall and continued to contaminate and ignite the other cells....
This is just MY opine based on best guess!

Trying to control matter to use it to power up anything will always be the hurdle, I believe, outside of internal combustion technology, which is pretty safe by most standards, as you can control the reaction.

I don't believe perpetual motion is possible by mankind.
I do believe it exist, however, under the name of God.
I believe He is in total control of all the elements of the universe (and then some) and we see His ability to use it as he created all that we see.....
I am getting too deep into my head right now, and lack the ability to coherently explain it however, sorry.  

The liberal (causes) view life via their emotions, lets call that their heart.
Sure, a new energy source would be great, for a whole host of reasons....
Nothing wrong with that desire.
The conservative views life through their head....
They think in a more pragmatic nature.
That can often be tedious and slow, in results, lacking imagination and risk.


The liberal wants it now.
The conservative wants to make sure it is even available/possible.

Its sad the political operatives have learned how to capitalize on this difference, to "empower" themselves.
Instead of learning to work together, we succumb to fighting and faulting others, as cause, and we sink further into the quagmire.....  

Look at the options..

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/17/17 at 12:12:04:


Dude..... you are on a roll  

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/indocoal.htm

All those jobs. All that clean coal.
Okay, focus, Clean coal means
LOW mercury and sulfur and generally not so nasty.
Take less stuff to clean up the emissions.
So smart..

thumperclone wrote on 06/17/17 at 19:08:40:


Who said that?
Are you a believer in science?
Where is the LIST OF DIRE PREDICTIONS THAT CAME TRUE.
Yeah, I thought so.
You people believe in science that has been DEMONSTRATED TO BE WRONG.
And still believe that whacking a pee pee off makes a man a woman.
How scientific...  <<<< Sarcasm

I've seen enough nukular to understand it's not worth it.