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06/19/17 at 09:10:23
 
Sad state of affairs in Georgia.  Record setting spending for a Congressional seat - mostly from out of state donors...

http://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-special-election-between-handel-145105756.html

Who's in your wallet?
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Reply #1 - 06/19/17 at 09:41:01
 
Looks like she figured out how to get a handel on a chikkin leg.

s have poured money into the campaign, which many are calling a referendum on Trump

I wonder Who is calling it that and how quickly they will STFU if the bub wins.

I understand your point is that the Big Money is pouring in from out of state. What can I say? It's a corrupted system.
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Reply #2 - 06/19/17 at 10:14:40
 
The question begs.....
Why invest so much money without expecting it to pay dividends?
Beliefs, as in societal preferences, is noble, I guess, but is that alone enough to buy?

Power, money, the two feed off of each other, yet together form a force like a tornado that has the capacity to destroy anything in its path.

Where does all this money used in campaigning go?
To those enitites that report the "news".

Gee, if I had a commodity and could convince others that they needed it, and it was in short supply, and getting more scarce....
I could manipulate wealth right to my doorstep.
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Reply #3 - 06/19/17 at 10:40:21
 
I can think of several INSTANT retirees if someone could mount an effective ad campaign for willful ignorance.
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Reply #4 - 06/19/17 at 10:44:46
 
raydawg wrote on 06/19/17 at 10:14:40:
The question begs.....
Why invest so much money without expecting it to pay dividends?
Beliefs, as in societal preferences, is noble, I guess, but is that alone enough to buy?

Are you being serious, or is that sarcasm?

Power, money, the two feed off of each other, yet together form a force like a tornado that has the capacity to destroy anything in its path.

Where does all this money used in campaigning go?
To those enitites that report the "news".

Gee, if I had a commodity and could convince others that they needed it, and it was in short supply, and getting more scarce....
I could manipulate wealth right to my doorstep.


Thus, the corporatism we now have in the US.  But yeah, corporations are people, right?  smh
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Reply #5 - 06/19/17 at 10:46:01
 
The question begs.....
Why invest so much money without expecting it to pay dividends?


That question was answered long ago. When Trump won, the Clinton Foundation's cash dried up.....  No one believed those donation were for anything other than influence. There has never been nor will there ever be a more corrupt family that the Clintons.
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WebsterMark wrote on 06/19/17 at 10:46:01:
The question begs.....
Why invest so much money without expecting it to pay dividends?


That question was answered long ago. When Trump won, the Clinton Foundation's cash dried up.....  No one believed those donation were for anything other than influence. There has never been nor will there ever be a more corrupt family that the Clintons.


Chicken and egg argument.

Who's more corrupt, the buyers or the sellers?

Our president actually boasted about how he "bought politicians".  Does that make it right?

An argument could be made on both sides - you can't have corruption with only one...

As to the ROI on legalized bribery?  There's no question - it pays off massively.  Look at the banks as just one of many huge "dividends".
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Reply #7 - 06/19/17 at 11:14:25
 
The sellers are always more corrupt.
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WebsterMark wrote on 06/19/17 at 11:14:25:
The sellers are always more corrupt.


Why?

If you're conspiring to buy a candidate, why are you not as guilty?

If a thief robs a bank and has a guy on the inside helping him - who is "more guilty"?
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Reply #9 - 06/19/17 at 11:30:48
 
The people who are stalling and blocking permits to build until they are bribed are the problem.
Who is more guilty?
The mob demanding Protection money or the merchant who will suffer if he doesn't pay?
The government official who won't do his job and get you your permits until you grease his palm or you, for paying?
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Reply #10 - 06/19/17 at 11:45:09
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/19/17 at 11:30:48:
The people who are stalling and blocking permits to build until they are bribed are the problem.
Who is more guilty?
The mob demanding Protection money or the merchant who will suffer if he doesn't pay?
The government official who won't do his job and get you your permits until you grease his palm or you, for paying?


Like I said - it goes both ways.  The huge corporations that buy their tax breaks are just as guilty as the ones that propose the tax breaks.

They are equally corrupt.  They are equally to blame.
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Reply #11 - 06/19/17 at 11:58:15
 
You dodged my example.
You're pissed that trump admitted to buying the access.
The only way to Buy anything is
It's FOR SALE.
The moral burden is on the government to be incorruptible.


I can't say what my representatives Cost, but I have a Definite Answer for what they are Worth.
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Reply #12 - 06/19/17 at 12:12:12
 
Jog is correct.

Whose more guilty? The pusher preying on the addicted user or the user?

You're motives behind this argument are pretty transparent.
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WebsterMark wrote on 06/19/17 at 12:12:12:
Jog is correct.

Whose more guilty? The pusher preying on the addicted user or the user?

You're motives behind this argument are pretty transparent.


Transparent how?  That I hold corporations in contempt?  Well duh!!  But I'm no friend to most on Capitol Hill...

I'm NOT saying that bought off politicians aren't JUST as guilty - I'm saying that the corporations are NOT innocent either.

It's two ways of saying the same thing.

The SYSTEM is corrupt.  And, thanks to citizens united, it's gotten even more so.

A congressional race should not cost anyone $50 million.

IMHO, we should have state sponsored campaigns.  Each candidate gets X amount of money to run a campaign.

No one buys, no one sells, no one feels obligation.

That, and consecutive term limits.
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Reply #14 - 06/19/17 at 13:03:30
 
By the way, there's a bit more to this story than on the original link:

The Democratic candidate, Jon Ossoff, a 30-year-old documentary-film producer and former congressional aide, has drawn national attention and managed to raise an incredible $23.6 million, largely from donors outside of the district and state.

But in money raised, Ossoff has blown Handel out of the water — thanks in part to the Golden State.

Between March 29 and May 31, Ossoff reported receiving 7,218 donations from California, dwarfing the 808 donations he received from Georgia. In the nine Bay Area counties alone, he received 3,063 donations in the same time period. (Those are only a fraction of his total donations, as he doesn’t have to report donations from people who give less than $200 in total.)

Overall, he reported receiving $456,296.03 from California — and $220,532.10 from the Bay Area — versus just $228,474.44 from Georgia.


Not to mention a cool million from a national liberal website with no special ties to Georgia. The last special election that the Dems painted as a second election against Trump, Kansas, didn't turn out too well for them. Way more money spent on this one.
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