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Anybody want to tackle these?
08/12/17 at 14:53:12

I am game, if anybody wants to investigate/share their thoughts or experiences with either, or both.

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/08/09/mental-health-depression-obes...

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/08/09/mental-illness-opioid-crisis-...

I have experience with both, as a person who has battled the bulge, and addiction to booze.
I know the effects, and am very familiar with how indulging in these things, can bring a temporary comfort, or escape, from what lies deeper in one self.

I also see how the political arena has tried to use folks, disingenuously, I believe, to empower themselves, on the illness of folks who struggle with these issues.

It is a matter that will need frank, and honest dialogue, if we expect a public healthcare system to cover these concerns and issues.

Anybody up for some honest exchange of dialogue on these subjects?

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Reply #1 - 08/12/17 at 16:24:20

I have experience with this. I have friends who have been removed from their prescription. Doctors have been pulling back from prescribing them for several years. But NOW it's a Big Problem.. right..
I bet trump believes what he's being told.
But, it seems a little disingenuous to decry opiates and maintain the military protecting poppy fields in Afghanistan.
Our banks launder drug money , in the billions of dollars. Our prison system is CONTRACTUALLY promised by the states that they Will be kept at high occupancy rates. Who believes Iran Contra ended drug running By the government?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/"Freeway"_Rick_Ross

Read it.. it's revealing.

The C.I.A. has a black budget that congress doesn't see. They can make money that they can use in covert ops, and by putting the drugs on the street they create criminals. Some are caught and wind up in prison. It's a win win. By taking people who are just too damaged to handle it and telling them that in order to save them from opioid dependence they will have to suffer and that predictably sends some of them to the dealer in the hood.
I'm not buying the crisis.

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Reply #2 - 08/12/17 at 16:51:07

I'll part company here with you buddy.....

I know you have a hankering to think a snake lies under every rock, but this one is really to much to believe our government would use drugs to fund covert activities.
Look, Obama let 9 billion slip out unaccounted for with his cell phone program, 9 billion Jog.
That would fund a lot of covert activity I would think.

No, this is more a personal life style choice.
That is the first domino to fall.
To believe our government is sitting around waiting for folk to have a moral failure so they can utilize it requires more imagination than I presently possess.

Sorry.

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Reply #3 - 08/12/17 at 17:11:41

Your vision of the government that has
Lied us into wars, and Nam killed almost Sixty Thousand and ruined many others is far too kind.
Lied us into Iraq.
And what Are we doing in Afghanistan?
That's a real question. Please help me understand the mission.
Remember General Wesley Clarke and the list. What is not coming true? He said what countries we would engage.
Where is he wrong?
What happened in the Iran Contra debacle?
Drugs for guns.
Did you read about Rick Ross? Documented facts.
The propaganda that America is the shining beacon on the hill has blinded most. It's beyond naive to think the government is a moral mirror of good people. Your moral compass would fly into pieces to actually sit down and contemplate Doing what they do.

You must not remember the events that led up to Kuwait being invaded.
Do you? Do you know what we did that helped set the stage?

Do you know what we did that set the stage for the Iranian hostage event

Choosing to not Look carefully at the things I am saying is choosing to be responsive to a need to protect the paradigm you're comfortable with.

Okay. Grab the bible.
Or, just go look at the history and see what is painful and obvious.

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Reply #4 - 08/12/17 at 17:42:18

Naah, they wouldn't do today what they were caught at before.
The people in OUR government are good.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/the-poison-papers/

Someone is either gonna commit suicide, their airplane blow up, have a heart attack,, something.. might just drop the barbells on their throat.
As bad as this is they might do them all.

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Reply #5 - 08/12/17 at 17:49:44

A 1985 document reveals that Monsanto sold a TCDD-tainted chemical to the manufacturers of Lysol, who – unaware of the extreme toxicity – employed it for 23 years as an ingredient in their popular household disinfectant spray.
To make matter worse, a 1990 document reveals the EPA’s policy of allowing the use of hazardous waste in pesticides. So much for the notion that the EPA is designed to ‘protect’ public health.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Anybody want to tackle these? Reply #6 - 08/12/17 at 17:53:47 Not sure what the Bible has to do with it.... Maybe I just can't handle the truth
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Anybody want to tackle these? Reply #7 - 08/12/17 at 18:09:24 I wish you could find the curiosity to look at my questions. If you don't know the answers, I'll walk you through and paste links to supporting documentation as well as I can. I'm pretty sure I can find stuff to explain most if not all.
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Reply #8 - 08/12/17 at 18:34:06

raydawg wrote on 08/12/17 at 16:51:07:

I'll part company here with you buddy..... I know you have a hankering to think a snake lies under every rock, but this one is really to much to believe our government would use drugs to fund covert activities. Look, Obama let 9 billion slip out unaccounted for with his cell phone program, 9 billion Jog. That would fund a lot of covert activity I would think. No, this is more a personal life style choice. That is the first domino to fall. To believe our government is sitting around waiting for folk to have a moral failure so they can utilize it requires more imagination than I presently possess. Sorry.

“… but this one is really to much to believe our government would use drugs to fund covert activities….”

Wait, "Fast and Furious”, ??????
Where the Government, under Holder, Protected by Obama,

SAID: (In Essence).
‘YOU’ (Federal License Firearm Dealer) FFL,
WILL, Sell a Firearm to someone,
YOU KNOW,
Can not have one.

For me, KNOWING, what Holder did, (Protected by Obama),
It is not to far of a stretch, to believe,
“…use drugs to fund covert activities…”

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Reply #9 - 08/12/17 at 19:03:37

You Can't BELIEVE they would Do what They have been caught at...
I can't believe THAT,,

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Anybody want to tackle these? Reply #10 - 08/12/17 at 19:06:16 Seriously, read the Wiki on Ricky Ross. Evidence Begins To Indicate Gary Webb Was Murdered https://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/141204webb... Click play to watch a Dateline report on CIA drug trafficking which includes interviews with Gary Webb, Cele Castillo and 'Freeway' Ricky Ross.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Anybody want to tackle these? Reply #11 - 08/12/17 at 23:06:29 Nothing, Ray? Not curious about any of things I listed?
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Anybody want to tackle these? Reply #12 - 08/12/17 at 23:48:46 I am on my phone, I will look when I have access to my PC. Just hold your horses
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