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Reply #255 - 05/21/21 at 12:56:08
 

I agree that most of the business world continues to see Rossi simply as a paranoid convicted felon con artist.   Even if he completely stopped acting like one he would never shake that image during his lifetime.

May I point out that Rossi has not taken anybody's money (from individuals) but he has only let overly enthusiastic greedy money men try to take him to the cleaners.    3 times now Rossi has given this sort enough rope and enough sharp instruments to go dangle themselves upside down and to skin themselves right properly.

Thus the importance of his current major distributors, the ones who will be making the presentations come November 25.

Rossi needs reminding that he (Rossi) is his own worst enemy when it comes to his distributor partners.

Treat your good distributor partners MUCH MUCH BETTER, Rossi.

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Reply #256 - 05/21/21 at 23:03:00
 
"Thus the  importance of his major distributors, the ones who will be making the presentations come November 25."

 This still seems off to me.  What major distributor agrees to a 35 day window from presentation to manufacture order deadline?  Customer orders from "blind" no-commitment requests can be taken easily.  But someone heavy like a person ordering for sports stadiums gets 35 days to see a demo online to manufacture minimum order deadline?  And if 1 million orders aren't made worldwide then the PO is void?

 That's a very suspicious or at a minimum rather amateur business model.
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Reply #257 - 05/22/21 at 18:23:11
 

If Rossi's distributors come out of the closet, they will take over the Rossi orders and then they will fulfill them according to their own rules.

Think of the pre-orders as simply being "indicators of Market Interest".

Rossi may eventually get dumped on by his fans or by his distributors --- it depends on how real the performance of Rossi's products get to be by then.   Rossi has promised a presentation and he has cleared the deck for his distributor(s) to participate in the presentation.

Rossi has already enhanced his light 3 times now and has it able to run off of battery power instead of wall socket power.   Rossi considers the light portion pretty much a done deal now.

We haven't seen any particulars on his little charger yet, although we know it will be relatively small and light duty (and the Gen 1 of the chargers will likely stay like that forever).

His light may well make enough incidental electric power to charge it's own internal battery once it gets lit off wall socket power for the first time.   This would be a logical extension of the spotlight housing he is working on now.

Rossi cannot control a large scale SKL device yet --- they run away from him just like Mills Brilliant Power stuff so loves to do.

I count half a dozen little Rossi proto-clones out there right now, each with their own spin on the same general theme.  

One of the group will eventually figure it out .......
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Reply #258 - 05/23/21 at 02:08:32
 

"Think of the pre-orders as simply being "indicators of Market Interest"."


 I think it's a way out if this doesn't work.  Much like his repeated going into hiding.  


"His light may well make enough incidental electric power to charge it's own internal battery once it gets lit off wall socket power for the first time."

 Wouldn't this solve all power issues forever?  I imagine NASA would be all over this for sure.
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Reply #259 - 05/23/21 at 06:50:36
 

Here is one of the optimistic sorts, just read it for the buzz it contains .......    

The peanut gallery in general is quoting the old Rossi truism that Rossi will not expose a technology until he has the replacement upgraded tech ready and available to sell to the "deep pockets" military / top secret community / industrial leaders.

Rossi has been asked and Rossi has responded that "his E-Cat charger works, but needs some improvements".    Rossi notes that the LED light is working great, he no issues with the light and considers it "a done product".



So here is Nixter and his read on the current situation.


Nixter • 12 hours ago

I think the minimum pre-orders of one million units is achievable if done correctly, meaning a few test units given to well-known electronics channels of popular internet influencers for reviews, you can bet that immediate claims of fraud would ensue, generating immediate interest. If the units can pass basic electrical tests done properly by an established YouTube Vlogger, huge amounts of free press might be generated as the seemingly "Impossible claims" are verified. If you haven't been following the E-Cat, the sudden appearance of this technology will look like complete fraud to the average person, to legitimize the claims this step would open the door enough to get the ball rolling.

The significance of this development is that Dr. Rossi is now willing to risk having his technology reverse engineered for a specific return of investment. This marks a turning point where the doctor is ready to expose his Intellectual Property to the general public, where the units will immediately be opened and examined by entities wishing to copy the IP.

This leads me to believe that Dr. Rossi' latest collaboration partners are indeed making progress to the point where the doctor feels it safe to release much older versions of his invention for use in devices for sale in the marketplace The premise being that his latest generation of the device is so far advanced that it will certainly succeed in functionality and marketability.

The gap between the SKLed lights older technology and his latest iterations must be enormous for the doctor to risk selling it openly. I am curious as to the identity of his latest partner(s) and how they will be able to leverage this new technology to grab a market share, the partners must have some sort of exclusivity contract that gives them rights to use, market, and sell the technology. Right now we don't have any significant evidence that any of these claims are legitimate, this will change when real world hardware is put into the hands of the free market.


Nixter and the others acknowledge Rossi's repeated pattern of not putting anything out for lease or for sale until he had the next generation of the tech debugged and working well enough to offer to the "deep pockets" military and industrial customers who could buy it now and be guaranteed a reasonable  time of exclusive use.

These folks (like APPLE) really value an exclusive market advantage.  

They value it a lot ........
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Reply #260 - 05/30/21 at 16:09:55
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/05/29/rossi-agreements-signed-for-private-testing...

Rossi's light finds its market.

Rossi: Agreements Signed for Private Testing of the E-Cat SKLed
Posted on May 29, 2021 • 12 Comments

I have recently posted about the challenge of Leonardo Corporation achieving the necessary million pre-orders for the E-Cat SKLed in order for production to begin. From comments Andrea Rossi has made on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, it appears that he may have jump-started the preorder process by making available the SKLed already to qualified customers for private testing.

Here are some Q&A’s on the topic:

Illuminated Reader
May 27, 2021 at 3:44 AM
Dear Dr Rossi,
Are potential clients with the due financial ground testing independently the Ecat SKLed, contingent with a memorandum of understanding for agreements to buy bulk quantities of SKLed units ?

Andrea Rossi
May 27, 2021 at 3:59 AM
Illuminated Reader:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Frank Acland
May 28, 2021 at 4:20 PM
Dear Andrea,

You have told us that it could be possible for suitable entities to carry out private testing of the E-Cat SKLed prior to the November presentation. Have you made arrangements yet for this kind of testing with any groups?

Andrea Rossi
May 29, 2021 at 2:53 AM
Frank Acland:
Yes, contingently with licensing agreements that have been signed. By the way, I have been informed that fake licensees are offering our products: while our legal staff is dealing with the issue, please do never send money to anybody before asking us if the seller is authorized by us.  

If anybody is offered an Ecat SKLed or other kinds of Ecat can email to
info@leonardocorp1996 asking if the seller is authorized: otherwise, you risk to send money and receive either nothing, or a bogus thing.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

He mentions here that licensing agreements have already been signed. It sounds to me like a situation where the customer agrees to place the pre-order on condition that the SKLed meets the claimed specifications published by Leonardo Corp. I think this may be the fastest route to reaching the million preorders. Rossi stated that he thinks it is premature to think about reaching the million mark before the November 25 presentation, but that “I am optimist within 2022, though”.



Where there is smoke, there is fire ---- Rossi's LED light is certainly smoking pretty good right now.

Also note that Rossi has put a control loop in place on his new distributor's sales claims.   In the past he had one new distributor who ran totally amok making promises that nobody every said the product could do, and then later he had Industrial Heat offering his products at prices Rossi never agreed to make it at.   A whole lot of people got screwed over by Industrial Heat, btw.

Rossi will add a bit of a dampener to his own introduction by doing this, but he feels it is necessary because of what took place in the past and what he sees happening out in the marketplace right now.
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Re: LENR (ongoing)
Reply #261 - 06/05/21 at 20:18:31
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/04/mats-lewans-view-on-current-e-cat-situation/

Mats Lewan’s View on Current E-Cat Situation
Posted on June 4, 2021 • 39 Comments

It’s been a while since Swedish journalist Mats Lewan has commented here about the E-Cat, and I was pleased to read this comment today which I think would be interesting to readers here, since Mats has been following the E-Cat story from the very beginning. Incidentally, a video of Mats’ presentation at the 2019 Global BEM has recently been posted on Youtube, and that prompted Mats to make the post below.

https://youtu.be/-3-2Jc7SvvA   It is a YouTube, just click on it and watch it.

Mats’ comment in full:

Hi Gerard, I am not sure I remember all the details of my presentation at Global BEM (I haven’t watched the video yet), but here’s my view as of today:

I think the SK was potentially commercial, but when Andrea started to do experiments with direct extraction of electric energy, I think he realised the huge advantage of this, and that the SK in that perspective became less relevant to develop further for market introduction. Also, as far as I have understood, the SKL is much less complex and therefore much cheaper to produce and maintain.

From that perspective, continuing to push the SK didn’t make sense, even though heating is a huge market. If you have a better, cheaper, and less complex product that produces electricity in stead of heat, you just use the electricity to produce heat.

As for the SKL, I was involved in some attempts to make an independent and conclusive test happen, but among other things, covid came in between.

Now, my understanding is that SKL has some way to go as an electricity generator. A combination with a battery is the logical set-up, for making it support various types of loads, for serving as a capacity buffer, and for making it self-sustained. I would be surprised if Andrea hasn’t tested this already, but some R&D plus engineering certainly remain.

If you look at the car industry e.g., you could probably use any electric/fuel-cell design—where the battery is used for buffering and for capacity variation, in combination with the fuel-cell with its fairly constant output—and switch the fuel-cell with and SKL as the electricity generator.

With the SKL having some way to go, and also being a more complex product to introduce to the market, the SKLed is in my view an excellent first product. It is simple, low-cost, useful, and easy to understand. If it starts to spread, it will also force businesses in all industries, to relate to its existence, and all discussions on whether the process is possible or not from a physics point of view will then become obsolete.

As for your last questions—I don’t plan for any interview with Andrea at this point. But I might be involved in the presentation on November 25. We will see.

EDITED/ADDED: I should add two things:

– My understanding is that nuclear reactions look less and less as a viable model from a physics point of view for explaining the process in the Ecat and in other similar processes being developed, and that the hypothesis on extraction of energy from the structured vacuum is gaining support.

– The general public and all major industries still don’t consider the possibility of discovering/inventing a new way of producing energy at all, when discussing how we could phase out fossil fuels (for climate reasons, but also for health/pollution reasons, which I often emphasize). I see this particularly in the transportation industry, where I am currently doing work on future analysis, and where such a possibility is completely absent in all discussions. On the other hand, I think it is a good thing that societies and industries have developed an awareness on the importance of energy efficiency, sustainability, circular economy etc, which most probably wouldn’t have happened if a new, abundant, clean, cheap, and carbon-free energy source would have surfaced to common knowledge ten years ago.
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Reply #262 - 06/08/21 at 15:15:23
 
 
https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/07/rossi-e-cat-skled-works-well-as-light-sourc...

Rossi: E-Cat SKLed “Works Well” as Light Source for Growing Green Vegetables
Posted on June 7, 2021 • 34 Comments

Andrea Rossi had posted a while back that he was carrying out experiments using the E-Cat SKLed as a light source for growing plants. Some recent comments from him indicate that he sees this as a success so far:

Stephen Swatman
June 5, 2021 at 12:53 AM
Dear Dr Rossi,

How are the results of the green house tests?

I would expect after 4-5 weeks that you have some definitive results in either the positive or the negative.

The plant & vegetable industry is in dire need of cheaper lighting, especially with the news that food prices have risen 30%+ in the last year.

Andrea Rossi
June 5, 2021 at 3:23 AM
Stephen Swatman:
The tests with the greenhouses are very promising.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Frank Acland
June 5, 2021 at 1:23 PM
Dear Andrea,

I am very interested to hear that your testing of the SKLed with plants is very promising.

Are the plants you are testing with the SKLed:

1. In a regular greenhouse (also receiving sunlight)?
2. Indoors (not receiving sunlight)?

Andrea Rossi
June 5, 2021 at 5:10 PM
Frank Acland:
Both.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Koen Vandewalle
June 6, 2021 at 11:44 AM
Hi Andrea,

What kinds of plants are you experimenting with?

Andrea Rossi
June 6, 2021 at 12:09 PM
Koen Vandewalle:
We have a Customer making tests. The work is on course and we will publish a report when the tests will be completed. Just a curiosity: we already know that it works well with green vegetables like salad leaves.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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Reply #263 - 06/12/21 at 02:41:39
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/02/electric-fusion-systems-describes-its-fusio...

I have mentioned the small crowd of Rossi copycats before, here is the latest one seeking money from investors.    This one looks like a miniature Mills reactor, actually, as it has a gas flow but so did Panetelli's and Rossi's earliest units.   It does have the Rossi style electrical pick up points, so it copies Rossi's ECAT SKL electric also.

Here is how they describe their reactor:

“We have designed and tested a compact aneutronic fusion reactor capable of delivering tens of kilowatts of power, yet scalable to megawatts. It can deliver constant, distributed energy, anywhere, anytime, without generating greenhouse gases or other waste products, or requiring expensive capital infrastructure or exotic materials, or even any oxygen or solar energy to operate”








BROOMFIELD, Colo., May 25, 2021 /PRNewswire/ — Electric Fusion Systems (EFS) announced today that it has successfully demonstrated fusion reactions in a laboratory setting. EFS is pioneering revolutionary energy technology, using novel fusion physics that does not emit dangerous radiation. The inventors and co-founders, Ken E. Kopp and Ryan S. Wood, have found an easier and safer way to generate fusion chain reactions. Their fusion reactor has been physically reduced in size to a small, portable, safe device, suitable for a wide range of applications, unlike traditional approaches to fusion technology. “We have built a series of experiments that show fusion reactions on a laboratory table top. This is confirmed via neutron detection, gamma and optical spectroscopy that substantiate fusion reactions,” said Kopp.

“What the EFS technology enables is a small, modular, and scalable fusion reactor that is safe and inexpensive to manufacture in a factory, rather than on an installation site. Our patent-pending embodiments create a globally transformative change in energy production, delivering constant, distributed energy, anywhere, anytime, without generating greenhouse gases, other waste products or dangerous radioactivity. This breakthrough technology has the ability to sustainably reduce greenhouse gases and retard climate change,” said Wood.

“We believe we have cracked the code for practical fusion. First, we do not try and contain the sun in a huge reactor as do several other technologies under development, rather, we use a cyclical induction process to harness the energy of fusion chain reactions as an electrical arc, passes through a dense plasma fuel, resulting in direct conversion to electricity. One of the keys is our unique fuel that creates a super dense plasma ten orders of magnitude denser than historically failed approaches,” said Kopp.

“What this means in a practical sense for the global consumer or industry is that EFS technology can lower the cost of electricity by a factor of ten or more for everyone. Currently, our costing models indicate an $8 per megawatt hour (or 0.8 cents per kWh) and we have not yet factored in mass production.” said Wood.

“The billions of dollars invested over the decades into fusion have been for the most part wasted. Our technology will sweep away all of those failed attempts, creating tremendous possibilities along with disruptions. Our climate challenges can be addressed in a truly meaningful way, thereby creating massive improvements in the wellbeing of humanity as a whole. With an aligned investment partner, on a small scale compared to the capital-intensive fusion projects, we can uncork the genie and begin the transformation,” said Wood.

For more information, visit www.electricfusionsystems.com or email: info@electricfusionsystems.com

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Reply #264 - 06/12/21 at 16:00:58
 

https://e-catworld.com/2021/06/12/rossi-plans-for-e-cat-skl-lite-heater/


First mention of my single room heater as a possible derivative of what Rossi is currently working on in terms of a power supply which can only work on with simple restive loads.

With the little room heater ideal, Rossi can carefully tune the entire thing against the constant heater resistance element he is going to be using, thus not really needing very much AI horsepower.  

Rossi's current reactor size is good for a small single room heater unit.   Logic says this same design with a small self-starting battery (included to allow independent self-starting) this SKL Heater could be self-supporting as a flame free tent style "camping heater" as well.

Rossi is searching for small simple products he can do right now  rather than fighting for any additional new technical breakthroughs .......  

Rossi is sensing that others are going to be able catch up to him if he does not enter into the real market place very soon with his first set of products.
Rossi must verify his patents, build his brand name acceptance and get his early market dominance perception NOW, right now, before any of the others enter the market.

Every early market Rossi broaches first due to easy entry will get several copy cats, ASAP ........     Expect Rossi to have to defend his patents against these copy cats with some protracted messy court trials.


Rossi Plans for E-Cat SKL ‘Lite’ Heater
Posted on June 12, 2021 • 0 Comments

New comments from Andrea Rossi on the Journal of Nuclear Physics mention plans to produce a version of the E-Cat SKL which will provide heat only.

Ernst
June 11, 2021 at 1:52 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,
will there be a e-cat SKL light, without battery and AI, just for the use with resistive/ohmic load?
Warm regards,
Ernst

Andrea Rossi
June 11, 2021 at 5:38 PM
Ernst:
yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Frank Acland
June 12, 2021 at 11:47 AM
Dear Andrea,

Your recent reply to Ernst indicates that you will produce an alternative SKL (SKL lite) which will be without A.I. or battery.

1. Is this correct?
2. If so, what would this SKL be used for?
3. What will it not be able to do?

Andrea Rossi
June 12, 2021 at 1:00 PM
Frank Acland:
1- yes
2- heat
3- light and electricity
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi had stated recently in a comment that he is currently working on the E-Cat SKL electricity generator which would employ an artificial intelligence system combined with a battery to provide a reliable electricity source. This is apparently taking most of his time these days, and the work is in progress, not completed. He stated that it would be ‘very difficult’ to have this ready in time for the November 25 presentation.

This SKL ‘lite’ heat-only device sounds like it is a simpler system, as no A.I. is needed. There may be a chance he will present this in November.
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Reply #265 - 06/21/21 at 14:16:01
 
Greetings,
Thank you for noticing our new release!
In an effort to provide some clarity I will provide information as I can.
Our Light Element Electric Fusion (LEEF) is not similar to the Rossi approach nor is it LENR. Our system is hot plasma and exceeds triple product requirements in every way. We simply have discovered a better and viable way.
Regards
Ken Kopp

From our FAQ:
HOW DOES EFS’S APPROACH ACHIEVE PRACTICAL FUSION?
The standard of fusion system performance is the Lawson Criterion. The Lawson criterion is a figure of merit used in nuclear fusion research. It compares the rate of energy being generated by fusion reactions within the fusion fuel to the rate of energy losses to the environment. The criterion consists of three basic elements: density, temperature, and time. These elements are used to calculate a value known as the “Triple Product”

EFS’s LEEF Triple Product is favorable for the follow reasons:

EFS’s LEEF fuel operates in a supercritical fluid state with a density orders of magnitude higher than any other known approach. LEEF densities are literally off the chart used to document the plethora other approaches.
Ion temperatures orders of magnitude higher and measured in MEV as opposed to KEV seen in other approaches result in significant chain reactions during every fusion cycle. Again, LEEF energies are literally off the chart.
In other approaches stability of magnetic confinement is the primary driver of the confinement & Fusion burn time. This has been a failure point for other approaches. The LEEF process is cyclical and fusion EMF energy is extracted every cycle via magnetic induction at very high efficiencies exceeding 90% as compared to the ~30% seen in “heat” based extraction used in other approaches. Our induction field by nature is not a steady state field nor should it be lest we suffer the same issues plaguing other programs.
In a preignition state our fuel exhibits a modified coulomb barrier by orders of magnitude through a phenomenon known as electron screening.
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Reply #266 - 06/21/21 at 15:35:22
 

Mr. Kopp

Thank  you for joining us as we discuss the first purchasable new energy products.

I appreciate your product approach is different from Rossi's stuff, but will it be available in commercial products any time soon?

We have an issue on this list that we are all getting fairly old at this stage of things and apart from a Rossi light bulb nothing we see looks to be purchasable in the near future.

I would like a simple single room heater, really I would.   I have a den that gets cold in the winter and my current electrical spot heat solution isn't very economical to run all winter.
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Reply #267 - 07/08/21 at 22:32:59
 

November 25th is getting closer and closer .......

Today, Rossi Sez .........

He already has over 100 ECat lights on display at the vendor's facility.

He is ready to produce and ship the first million lights within 6 months after orders close.

Certification of the light will be ready before the presentation, this implies some early data will be available concerning life span.    Rossi is already saying he will replace a light if it fails inside three years if it is "not tampered with" by the user.   He expects the light to last "many years of continuous use".

So far life testing simply continues on installed units even after they get improved to a new design, Rossi refers to it as "testing still continuing" because his reactor structure and his charges don't die in X months on his new stuff like they did on his old stuff.

Use as an indoor grow light is already proven out on quick growing leafy crops such as salad greens.    Grow lights look to be a good first market for Rossi as long life and extreme energy efficiency are a good fit there.
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Reply #268 - 07/29/21 at 05:46:14
 

https://youtu.be/gnEGQnFE1nM

OK, this Chukanov guy's patents drop off the first of this upcoming year.   He is comfortably dead now.  His ball lightning and plasma energy patents already cover what Rossi is currently re-inventing.   Rossi's only "new" is microprocessor AI controls that allow higher safe power levels with no melt downs.

Point is this, folks next year can file patents on slightly different hardware systems that can do the same things Rossi is doing, just quote this dead guy as your inspiration.

Do it now.   Build up a track record of your efforts.   Then when it pops wide open, you are as legal as church on Sunday for ripping off whatever you can get your hands upon.

The Orientals, DARPA and the US Navy are busy following this pathway as we speak.


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Reply #269 - 07/29/21 at 06:15:04
 

"Use as an indoor grow light is already proven out on quick growing leafy crops such as salad greens.    Grow lights look to be a good first market for Rossi as long life and extreme energy efficiency are a good fit there."

 Proven?  Where is this info?


Point is this, folks next year can file patents on slightly different hardware systems that can do the same things Rossi is doing, just quote this dead guy as your inspiration.


 If only Rossi had produced something useable sooner or collaborated in a way that turned out something tangible.  But he didn't.
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