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09/12/17 at 05:43:13
 
I seem to recall reading a thread and a picture of a graph someone posted on here about hurricans and climate change blah, blah blah.... I'm not going to spend time searching for it (if someone else wants to, be my guest, my money's on the mental giant TT as being the one why posted it)  but since Irma was a bust from the point of view this was going to be the Mother of all storms, I say we rename this hurricane Hilary since it was never as strong as thought. Also. now that its done, I've been reading all the reasons why it wasn't  so strong. You see, climate change MUST be upheld in the sense the myth of Hilary's greatness must be upheld, regardless of the facts.
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Reply #1 - 09/12/17 at 06:18:48
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/12/17 at 05:43:13:
I seem to recall reading a thread and a picture of a graph someone posted on here about hurricans and climate change blah, blah blah.... I'm not going to spend time searching for it (if someone else wants to, be my guest, my money's on the mental giant TT as being the one why posted it)  but since Irma was a bust from the point of view this was going to be the Mother of all storms, I say we rename this hurricane Hilary since it was never as strong as thought. Also. now that its done, I've been reading all the reasons why it wasn't  so strong. You see, climate change MUST be upheld in the sense the myth of Hilary's greatness must be upheld, regardless of the facts.


Hey web - you do realize that just because it didn't make landfall as a cat 5 in the US just makes us lucky.

Your stupidity is only matched by your ignorance.  Take your jokes to the people that died because of this hurricane.... see how funny they think it is...

Here are some facts, genius:

Irma is the first storm in recorded history that has maintained top winds of 185 miles per hour for 37 straight hours.

Irma is the strongest storm on record to exist in the Atlantic, outside of the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico.

Irma is tied with the 1932 Cuba hurricane for the longest time spent as a Category 5 hurricane.

Irma has the lowest minimum pressure in its lifetime of an Atlantic hurricane on record, outside of the western Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico.

It’s the first time in recorded history that there were two hurricanes with winds of at least 150 miles per hour in the Atlantic at the same time.

Irma beat Hurricane Ike for having the most hurricane days.

Irma generated more Accumulated Cyclone Energy than the first eight named storms of the current Atlantic hurricane season combined.

Irma has broken the record for the most ACE generated in a 24-hour period.

Irma is the strongest hurricane the Leeward Islands have ever seen.


But hey, we had a great weekend in Chicago - I don't see what the big deal is.....

Do us a favor, put your hands on your shoulders and pull hard - you might just get your head out of your a$$.....
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Reply #2 - 09/12/17 at 08:45:29
 
Well now I had to look it up and surprise, surprise.... it was our friend TT. Shocking....   Rush is a Moron is the title of the thread. Funny however, Rush turned out to be completely correct. I believe the crux of his statement was the trajectory of the storm could change dramatically. To which the big brain on TT replied "It's not ideology, it's a frikken category 5 hurricane!" Actually it wasn't a Cat 5 and it didn't hit Miami and the damage was dramatically less. No one disputes the need for preparation, but only an idiot would ignore the reality that the media over hypes weather events.

Leftist and TT in particular, have this idea that history is only as long as their feeble little minds perceive their reality.

There have been 300+ hurricanes since 1850 but these last two are caused by climate change....

In 1933, two major hurricanes hit the coast 23 hours apart. Was that caused by climate change?    There was a hurricane that hit the east coast in 1893 that killed 2000 back then in limited population density. It was estimated to be a Cat 4. Today, that could have killed 10x that many. In fact, I just read the 1893, there were 4 active hurricanes on the same day which only happened one other time in RECORDED history, in 1998.

Even in your stupidity, you've once again proven my point by pointing out in 1932, there was a hurricane as a Cat 5 as long as this one. Lot of SUV's idling back in 1932 I guess......

The fact the predictions were off as far as they were once again brings up the question; is the sheer number of variables involved with making a climate prediction too large to overcome?. This storm moved west further because of something called the Bermuda high, whatever that is. It was apparently at just the right pressure to deflect the eye further west. My guess is, there wasn't enough time for the climate scientist to get the data and make a new prediction perhaps because the pressure changed too quickly, but that's a guess. it's also just as likely even if they had that data, it wouldn't have been enough to change the computer projections. maybe in a 100 years if we store all that data and analyze it correctly, we'll be able to predict paths as accurately as we predict an eclipse.
But, each year, the IPCC's temp predictions have proven to be wrong, always overstated by the way. Doesn't this raise the question that perhaps preconceived bias is influencing their science?

Is the media and popular culture's preconceived bias that climate change is the most dangerous issue facing mankind today, making them look past logic and over-predict disaster? Seems like it.

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Reply #3 - 09/12/17 at 10:29:42
 
Nobody says climate change "caused" the hurricanes...
... but, the Atlantic ocean is just 1 degree Fahrenheit warmer this year.... and that adds to the ferocity of storms.
Let it continue down this path,... and see the oceans temps increase by 2 or 3 degrees... then watch your insurance bills and taxes soar to cover the damage.
Some of that may be natural... but some is man made.
Any reduction can help save billions...
Pay now,.. or pay more later...

Interestingly,... most affected states are Republican...
How long will that last?...
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Reply #4 - 09/12/17 at 11:16:34
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/12/17 at 08:45:29:
Well now I had to look it up and surprise, surprise.... it was our friend TT. Shocking....   Rush is a Moron is the title of the thread. Funny however, Rush turned out to be completely correct. I believe the crux of his statement was the trajectory of the storm could change dramatically. To which the big brain on TT replied "It's not ideology, it's a frikken category 5 hurricane!" Actually it wasn't a Cat 5 and it didn't hit Miami and the damage was dramatically less. No one disputes the need for preparation, but only an idiot would ignore the reality that the media over hypes weather events.

Leftist and TT in particular, have this idea that history is only as long as their feeble little minds perceive their reality.

There have been 300+ hurricanes since 1850 but these last two are caused by climate change....

Yeah, that's what I was saying.... smh - you truly are that stupid, aren't you?

In 1933, two major hurricanes hit the coast 23 hours apart. Was that caused by climate change?    There was a hurricane that hit the east coast in 1893 that killed 2000 back then in limited population density. It was estimated to be a Cat 4. Today, that could have killed 10x that many. Um, do you know how stupid that statement is?  Hey there genius, how many TV outlets were there in 1893?  How many EMS systems in play?  Again, you ARE that stupid!

In fact, I just read the 1893, there were 4 active hurricanes on the same day which only happened one other time in RECORDED history, in 1998.

So... there weren't 3 active on the same day this year?  Think little guy...think.

Even in your stupidity, you've once again proven my point by pointing out in 1932, there was a hurricane as a Cat 5 as long as this one. Lot of SUV's idling back in 1932 I guess......

You totally miss the point, pinhead.  Pay attention to Bot's post.  Look at HOW SEVERE Irma was.  Guess what?  It ain't gonna get better.  Just because it died out a little near FL, doesn't take away from its force.  Any of this sinking in???

The fact the predictions were off as far as they were once again brings up the question; is the sheer number of variables involved with making a climate prediction too large to overcome?. NO . This storm moved west further because of something called the Bermuda high, whatever that is. It was apparently at just the right pressure to deflect the eye further west. My guess is, there wasn't enough time for the climate scientist to get the data and make a new prediction perhaps because the pressure changed too quickly, but that's a guess. it's also just as likely even if they had that data, it wouldn't have been enough to change the computer projections. maybe in a 100 years if we store all that data and analyze it correctly, we'll be able to predict paths as accurately as we predict an eclipse.
But, each year, the IPCC's temp predictions have proven to be wrong, always overstated by the way. Doesn't this raise the question that perhaps preconceived bias is influencing their science?

Predictions may have been high, but there's this thing called measurements.... yeah, go have a look at that for a couple seconds and you'll see the RATE OF CHANGE is HUGE

Is the media and popular culture's preconceived bias that climate change is the most dangerous issue facing mankind today, making them look past logic and over-predict disaster? Seems like it.



You go ahead and bury your head a little deeper... see how that works for ya.

Hope you don't plan on buying any property in the Keys or South Florida - unless you want it underwater.

Nah... I'm sure it's all just fine.  DRILL BABY DRILL!!!
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Reply #5 - 09/12/17 at 11:52:40
 
Nobody says climate change "caused" the hurricanes...
where have you been! Everyone is saying that.

... but, the Atlantic ocean is just 1 degree Fahrenheit warmer this year.... and that adds to the ferocity of storms.
It's strictly theoretical a warmer ocean adds to the ferocity of storms. We've had none like this for past 12 years. You'd think if that theory were true, we'd have more regular storms wouldn't you?

Some of that may be natural... but some is man made.
If 99% were natural and 1% man made, would we spend billions to accomplish nothing of consequences?


Interestingly,... most affected states are Republican...
How long will that last?...

You mean how long before sucking at the government's t!t eventually changes the demographics of coastal states? I'm with you on that one.
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Reply #6 - 09/12/17 at 12:05:31
 

Guess what?  It ain't gonna get better.

There was this guy who ran for president and lost who has been preaching for years, "it ain't gonna get better...." yet for the past 12 years it was in fact, better.

Which is the point. You can't sit there and cry wolf over and over and when one finally shows up, you say see, I told you so. And now you're trying to tell me "yea, well, I might have been wrong those past 12 years, but trust me, it's coming....."

I've asked before with no answers; show me one climate change related example out of your own personal life that's different than what it was 40 years ago. The average temp of the planet is a miniscule percentage. Oh, and that miniscule % of increase took place the first half of that 40 years.

Climate change is one of the more minor issues facing the globe today. If we worked on industrializing some of the 3rd world $hitholes that dot our planet, we'd do more to stabilize green house gases than forcing the nation to go back to stone knives and bear skins.
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Reply #7 - 09/12/17 at 12:15:22
 
Oh, by the way, the lying and economically illiterate mental giant TT went out of his way to proclaim Rush Limbaugh to be a moron yet by every measure, Rush was correct. Face it, Rush is right 99.97% of the time......
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Reply #8 - 09/12/17 at 12:32:05
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/12/17 at 12:15:22:
Oh, by the way, the lying and economically illiterate mental giant TT went out of his way to proclaim Rush Limbaugh to be a moron yet by every measure, Rush was correct. Face it, Rush is right 99.97% of the time......


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Reply #9 - 09/12/17 at 12:33:52
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/12/17 at 12:15:22:
Oh, by the way, the lying and economically illiterate mental giant TT went out of his way to proclaim Rush Limbaugh to be a moron yet by every measure, Rush was correct. Face it, Rush is right 99.97% of the time......



Hey there mental midget - show me where I lied.  Also, don't get all butthurt about being handed your a$$ when it comes to economics.  Just go study a little more, m'kay?
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Reply #10 - 09/12/17 at 12:41:02
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/12/17 at 12:05:31:
Guess what?  It ain't gonna get better.

There was this guy who ran for president and lost who has been preaching for years, "it ain't gonna get better...." yet for the past 12 years it was in fact, better.

Which is the point. You can't sit there and cry wolf over and over and when one finally shows up, you say see, I told you so. And now you're trying to tell me "yea, well, I might have been wrong those past 12 years, but trust me, it's coming....."

I've asked before with no answers; show me one climate change related example out of your own personal life that's different than what it was 40 years ago. Are you really that dumb?  Do you even know what CLIMATE is?  Hey idiot, climate is NOT weather.  Our short lifespans represent nearly NOTHING on a global scale.  Yet since the industrial age, we've seen the global temp RISE AT AN ALARMING RATE.  Get this into your tiny, closed mind - the RATE OF CHANGE is what it's all about.

The average temp of the planet is a miniscule percentage. Oh, and that miniscule % of increase took place the first half of that 40 years.

SMH - stupidity and ignorance... I'm sure it'll serve you well....

Climate change is one of the more minor issues facing the globe today. If we worked on industrializing some of the 3rd world $hitholes that dot our planet, we'd do more to stabilize green house gases than forcing the nation to go back to stone knives and bear skins.


Colossal ignorance.  Well done webby.
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Reply #11 - 09/12/17 at 13:33:43
 
Hey idiot, climate is NOT weather.  Our short lifespans represent nearly NOTHING on a global scale.  Yet since the industrial age, we've seen the global temp RISE AT AN ALARMING RATE.  Get this into your tiny, closed mind - the RATE OF CHANGE is what it's all about.

Well, apparently to you weather is climate because a weather event, (a recent hurricane) is proof of climate.

Interesting. So, our short life spans of 90 years mean nothing on a global scale.....   I think that's a comment I could agree with.

So, a very short 15,000 short years ago, your city of Chicago was covered by a glacier several hundred feet thick. Lake Michigan wasn't even there yet. So in a very short period of time, ON A GLOBAL SCALE, the climate changed to the degree glaciers retreated north and left enormous lakes.

What can only be described as a flash of time, perhaps a second on the geological clock of the earth, the earth went through this massive change. And now, in what can only be described as a millisecond, a miniscule change in measured temperature for the past 100 years or so, is now evidence we are altering the climate for the worse.

Did it occur to you that the mechanisms that left us the Great Lakes are still underway and that what we are measuring these past 100 years or so is just a millisecond of the continuous changes underway which is  99% natural and perhaps 1% manmade?

We can't predict the path of a hurricane using satellites, super computers and other equipment, but we can use tree rings from 1,000 years ago to predict a fraction of a degree change in temp 50 years from now? And that increase is ALWAYS going to be disastrous? Really?
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Reply #12 - 09/12/17 at 14:38:30
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/12/17 at 13:33:43:
Hey idiot, climate is NOT weather.  Our short lifespans represent nearly NOTHING on a global scale.  Yet since the industrial age, we've seen the global temp RISE AT AN ALARMING RATE.  Get this into your tiny, closed mind - the RATE OF CHANGE is what it's all about.

Well, apparently to you weather is climate because a weather event, (a recent hurricane) is proof of climate.

Interesting. So, our short life spans of 90 years mean nothing on a global scale.....   I think that's a comment I could agree with.

So, a very short 15,000 short years ago, your city of Chicago was covered by a glacier several hundred feet thick. Lake Michigan wasn't even there yet. So in a very short period of time, ON A GLOBAL SCALE, the climate changed to the degree glaciers retreated north and left enormous lakes.

What can only be described as a flash of time, perhaps a second on the geological clock of the earth, the earth went through this massive change. And now, in what can only be described as a millisecond, a miniscule change in measured temperature for the past 100 years or so, is now evidence we are altering the climate for the worse.

Yeah genius, because of this thing called SCIENCE, we can make MEASUREMENTS of the temperatures of the planet dating back millions of years.  It's the rate of change that is alarming since the industrial age.  Why do you and your kind refuse to see that???

Did it occur to you that the mechanisms that left us the Great Lakes are still underway and that what we are measuring these past 100 years or so is just a millisecond of the continuous changes underway which is  99% natural and perhaps 1% manmade?

No.  Do you also think the Earth is flat?

We can't predict the path of a hurricane using satellites, super computers and other equipment, but we can use tree rings from 1,000 years ago to predict a fraction of a degree change in temp 50 years from now? And that increase is ALWAYS going to be disastrous? Really?


RATE.  OF.  CHANGE.  These are NOT predictions - THEY ARE MEASUREMENTS.

How can anyone be that dumb????

(Well, of course, this is the same person who doesn't take into account communication on a global scale that helps save millions of people from natural disasters....something they didn't have in the 1800's....)

Like teaching calculus to a chair....
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Reply #13 - 09/12/17 at 17:59:29
 
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Reply #14 - 09/12/17 at 21:25:20
 
I beat your
Rate of change thing once.
You tucked tail and shut up about it.
Now you trot that crap out again.
You don't care to change the crap you say after it's been demonstrated wrong?

Who can blame a guy for believing the hurricane was the meanest one ever, when
The Nashunull Hurrahcane Center says it?
Well, unless you understand that the push to sell the hysteria about GW is a government goal, then you go hunting.

So, people can parrot the Bullshit,
Or
Learn calculus, instead of being a chair.
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