There is no conversation here guys. The threads that could actually affect what people believe are destroyed and ignored.
Bot, your beliefs are not supported by reason. But you refuse to debate.
TT simply won't even reply.
WTF? Why even come in here?
Ray, your incessant back and forth with TT is accomplishing less than nothing.
It's a forum for discussing differences in opinion. We are supposed to use facts to create opinion.
Let's discuss the things that we believe are facts. Let's inspect OUR opinions and see If they are based in facts.
And, sadly, finding fact is difficult.
But,
Fact
We destroyed the World's largest irrigation system.
And did it on the pretext of some high minded humanitarian mission.
In what universe is that something you can say with a straight face?
But Bot absolutely refuses to discuss it.
And TT hasn't got the guts to say a word.
So why let people who obviously have Zero interest in the truth control the board?

Ray, your incessant back and forth with TT is accomplishing less than nothing.

Jog, is your incessant whining about no replies, yielding any better results than my tactics?

Maybe its us, thinking others are capable of honest dialogue, that is at fault.

You can put lipstick on a pig, however the fact remains, its just a pig.

Now, taking in to the dance, and getting upset folks call your date a pig, well who's shoulders does that fall on?

Pure entertainment, absolutely no value....... useless, other than laughing.

I dance with her, doing the pig trot, then I eat bacon with my hash browns and eggs, the next morning.

If you want to think otherwise buddy, go ahead.....
But who, is deceiving whom?

This place reminds me of the stories that use to accompany travelers going west, way back when White Privilege was vogue.

The wisdom of learning the Rockies, and how to pass over them to a new life, was shared with many wanting the same opportunities, back home.

You winter over on the east slope, and get an early start.

Many were deceived by the spring melt, the Platte River a good example.

Many hearts sank out, spirits broken, by what their eyes saw.....

A river a mile wide, needing to be forded, they felt defeated, unable to continue, devastated.

While some, I'm sure, thought those who told them to come west, had set them up.....

However, the river might truly be a mile wide, as they looked upon it, they did not know it was only an inch deep.  

This board will never provide any depth Jog, never......

Think of it thusly......

You've a 5 hour flight ahead of you.
A person has just set next to you, occupying their seat.
They strike up a introduction of themselves, and pursuing conversation....

You can tell them to suck off, or, you can be accommodating......
Knowing either way, in 5 hours it will matter not, of which path you decide.

Its your choice Jog.....YOURS.
Blame me if you like, however, I will be disembarking in 5 hours    

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/08/17 at 08:58:22:


The name should be changed to "Ideological Football"

If people don't have the ability to answer questions they can't defend their positions.
That's The DEFINITION of an
Indefensible Position.
Indefensible Positions are unsupportable by logic.
That's the definition of
WRONG.

Man up or shut up.
Defend your position or take a knee.
I don't CARE.
I already know.
I'm trying to get others to see the obvious.
Or would you rather not have to admit to yourself that you have supported what isn't reasonable?
Ready to debate, Bot?

Naw TT is right when debating with trumpists all you get is "Whataboutism"
Example when asking about opinions on manafort papdopoulous indictments the response is just parroting trump's play book of "but but hillary" "he was a coffee boy" "he was working as a volunteer"  

Essentially trumpists have no defense in the face of facts and just regurgitate fox news talking points, all very predictable.
Must suck to be on the wrong side of history.

Ray, your incessant back and forth with TT is accomplishing less than nothing.

And Jog's right about this. Like I said on a thread that looks like it's been deleted (and rightly so) somehow you've managed the impossible; you made TT into the good guy. I honestly skip past all your stuff now Ray and I used to read it. If that doesn't matter to you, fine, but I'm sure there are interesting ideas I'm missing.

Take that and do with it as you will, but I've committed to staying out of the BS from now on and if that means cutting ties with you, then that's what I'll have to do.

ruckus430 wrote on 11/08/17 at 21:58:43:


I'm aware that trump is not doing everything we need. I've said so.
But, I'll talk about anything you want. I'll talk policy, right and wrong, where he's right and wrong.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/17 at 09:08:26:



I just havent seen any example of any trump supporter, in real life or online, who is willing to talk about his administration without obfuscating or using distractions and refusing to accept blatant facts. So I don't get in to thick of it with a back and forth, but it is kind of fun to watch, but I also feel bad for both sides. Those trying to talk some sense into trump supporters I feel their frustration, and for those covering their ears and looking away it's sad to say but I feel pity that they have been manipulated by those in power using their anger and differences to divide our nation. it's a sad day in America.
I have an uncle that I joke with all the time when he comes around (he loooovess trump for whatever reason he has been strangely silent about it as of late wonder why) and I can't debate him but for example I say "Hey uncle I don't pay taxes right now so guess what, I'm not paying for that god darn wall"  and he can laugh it off but if we debated I would destroy him but hes family so idk what to do.