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Reply #15 - 11/09/17 at 09:36:45
 
I'm not able to defend everything he's doing, because I don't agree with it all.
But cutting corporate taxes, I'm all for.
They shouldn't pay taxes at all except for on what they export, because the Consumer actually pays those taxes.

Trump Can't fix America without real Change in policy. And since he's surrounded by the criminals who got us here, he's resisted and sabotaged by them.
Things he can do?
Reverse every unconstitutional executive order, immediately.
Settle, solve or dismiss whatever
Emergency the current iteration of the justification for operating under Emergency War Powers, good start.
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Reply #16 - 11/09/17 at 09:55:16
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/17 at 09:36:45:
I'm not able to defend everything he's doing, because I don't agree with it all.
But cutting corporate taxes, I'm all for.
They shouldn't pay taxes at all except for on what they export, because the Consumer actually pays those taxes.

Trump Can't fix America without real Change in policy. And since he's surrounded by the criminals who got us here, he's resisted and sabotaged by them.
Things he can do?
Reverse every unconstitutional executive order, immediately.
Settle, solve or dismiss whatever
Emergency the current iteration of the justification for operating under Emergency War Powers, good start.


Hmm yea I can't say if removing taxes for corporations would be good or bad, and yes unconstitutional orders should be reversed and they have been(not by trumps choice but by the federal judges)
But to say that Trump just happens to be surrounded by criminals and he has been resistant to them is a bit naive, who do you think hand picked these "criminals" to run his campaign and be put in power?

Anyway any questions above are rhetorical it's just meant to make you think dont respond to me no offense.
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Reply #17 - 11/09/17 at 10:03:46
 
heat shield Eegor bought off me.    He sent me way more than I asked for.)

Really? I'm talking about the anti family, power grabbing executive orders that date back to as far back as we can go.
Certainly Bush administration.
I'm suspecting you're excited about the courts declaring his attempts to protect us from refugees has you happy.
You're wrong
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Reply #18 - 11/09/17 at 16:19:17
 
Yeah, conversation about actual things is too much.


Here's one to erase.

e 2012 NDAA deemed the United States a “battlefield,” as Senator Lindsey Graham put it, and gave the president and his agents the right to seize and arrest any U.S. citizen, detain them indefinitely without charge or trial, and do so only on suspicion, without any judicial oversight or due process. The new Executive Order states that the president and his secretaries have the authority to commandeer all U.S. domestic resources, including food and water, as well as seize all energy and transportation infrastructure inside the borders of the United States. The Government can also forcibly draft U.S. citizens into the military and force U.S. citizens to fulfill “labor requirements” for the purposes of “national defense.” There is not even any Congressional oversight allowed, only briefings.

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Reply #19 - 11/11/17 at 07:12:27
 
AN egregious example of unconstitutional and Unamerican, and NOBODY cares? Really?
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Reply #20 - 11/11/17 at 10:00:18
 
In a group of non idiots I'd expect every single one who saw that to be perfectly mortified, yet, I'm alone.
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Reply #21 - 11/11/17 at 10:33:10
 
“…commandeer all U.S. domestic resources …”

Yes, it IS a bad, E.O., and should be eliminated.

Yet, no one is in outrage about it, because;
it has not affected anybody, that someone knows,
that is a friend of a person that said …


It’s kinna like the Law, that is  STILL on the books in the City of Mpls.
Where, Every Business downtown, Must have a ‘Hitching Post’ in front.

150 years ago, yea.
today, if someone tried to enforce that,
thinking all Hell would break loose.

Next question, if the, ‘commandeer all U.S. domestic resources’,
happened someplace, would the Constitution override it ?

Could it perhaps be, a reason, the 2nd Adm, is so, Fought, by the,
‘Snowflake, Kum-By-You Singing, Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA  Ideals  Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling people’,
        (Put that in, Just for Bot)
and are working, SO, hard to remove it ?

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #22 - 11/11/17 at 10:48:02
 
Never heard of that before and it would be counter to numerous Constitutional provisions so I suspect there's more to this story.
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Reply #23 - 11/11/17 at 10:49:07
 
Yes, the conscious and well read understand that a law repugnant to the constitution is null and void at the moment it's signed, not requiring a court's decision.
But, few know and understand that.
And whether the constitution is actually, legally, currently in effect, is the next question.
What clues exist that would indicate it's not?
When was the last time war was declared instead of being something just decided on?
How well do judges listen to a defendant who wants to point to unconstitutional behaviors?
Sure, the fifth and fourth get used, because if they made it too obvious, everyone would figure it out.

Congress can't even overturn this once it's put into action.
Only outright rebellion against it will stop it.
This is just One of many. Separating families is in one.
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Reply #24 - 11/11/17 at 12:57:10
 
I guess only two of us are willing to look at what's really going on and suggest a solution. Yammer on. Posture, do your
Virtue Signaling, puff your self important chest out and add oxygen to the
Flames that keep your Butthurtedness at the level that justifies your rage, against the petty things WHILE Real WRONG is right in front of you.
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Reply #25 - 11/11/17 at 18:03:56
 
ruckus430 wrote on 11/09/17 at 09:55:16:
Hmm yea I can't say if removing taxes for corporations would be good or bad, and yes unconstitutional orders should be reversed and they have been(not by trumps choice but by the federal judges)
But to say that Trump just happens to be surrounded by criminals and he has been resistant to them is a bit naive, who do you think hand picked these "criminals" to run his campaign and be put in power?
..."

Thinking about this, came up with a, ‘example’.
   (My Opinion)

Let’s say, Company A, gets a new CEO.
The company is going down hill,  (thus the B.O.D. hiring of the new CEO)
When the old CEO left, several key people left with him.
So he needed to hire new.  
He also went outside the company, and hired some.
Now several of these people he hired, were, Thief’s, Steeler’s, Liar’s.
These, criminals, LIED, Plain and Simple.
  (None of the,  ‘adjusted the truth’,  CRAP)

So now, that new CEO,  Discovers, they were LIEING,
 and will NOT, look the other way, like the Past CEO did.
                   He  Fires them.
 (Or they leave, before they can be fired, because they see, the new CEO, can see right through their  LIES. And is Not, going to look the other way)

Because the new CEO, was  LIED to,
   by Thief’s, Steeler’s, Liar’s,
 who expected him to, look, the other way.
It is the CEO’s  Fault,
   they were, Criminal, Thief’s, Steeler’s, Liar’s. ?

If I was a stockholder of that Company.
 Think I would be rather happy,
    their was a now a CEO of that company,
      who did NOT, ‘Look The Other Way’.
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #26 - 11/12/17 at 08:36:17
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/11/17 at 10:48:02:
Never heard of that before and it would be counter to numerous Constitutional provisions so I suspect there's more to this story.



Yeah, more to the story,, the question
Why.
It's a stand alone statement.
It says what it says.
It means what it says.
It's tyrannical.
And it's not the only one.
It's n preparation for a complete state of emergency. Which could range from societal uproar, economic collapse or war here.
There are others. They are hard to find.
Separating families is in one.
Taking food away from people who have stored up.
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Reply #27 - 11/12/17 at 09:23:53
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/17 at 09:36:45:
They shouldn't pay taxes at all except for on what they export, because the Consumer actually pays those taxes.


Why should this be so?...
When I buy something, I'm not making a profit...
When they sell it, they profit..
Why shouldn't they be paying tax on their profit?...
When I profit, I have to pay tax...
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Reply #28 - 11/12/17 at 10:33:49
 
I pay taxes when I earn, and again when I spend.

I do this so one day I might have enough to retire and be able to relax, and enjoy life, free from the whip and wagon.

If I do not work, and rely on charity, I can avoid both.....

Relaxing, not having to pull wagon, or feel the whip.

Gee, such a paradox.
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Reply #29 - 11/12/17 at 15:28:26
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/12/17 at 09:23:53:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/09/17 at 09:36:45:
They shouldn't pay taxes at all except for on what they export, because the Consumer actually pays those taxes.


Why should this be so?...
When I buy something, I'm not making a profit...
When they sell it, they profit..
Why shouldn't they be paying tax on their profit?...
When I profit, I have to pay tax...


You're, as the Consumer, Paying their taxes, and the records keeping and accounting costs. It's all rolled into the cost of the product. Exports, fine, pay taxes on exports.
A manufacturer or business of any kind knows what profit margin is required to stay in business. The costs of Doing Business are included in the price. Taxes raise the price.
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