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11/17/17 at 15:36:12
 
timeline with sources but you prolly wont read it and this is just the half of it. Sorry but no amount of your "dialogue" can disprove how much evidence is already out there, trumpets your time is almost up and the rest of the world will move on without you.  You wanted sources well there they are in fact too much for you too even read thats how guilty they are you need a couple days to digest how much collusion there is. Yall are hopeless and dont respond to me if you havent read through.


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Trump and his allies may have colluded with Russia for different reasons, nevertheless a pattern seems to be emerging in which a conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the United States becomes more likely on every passing day as more information comes to light.
Remember the Trump Tower meeting[1] Russian operatives[2] allegedly discussed "adoptions"[3] with Jared Kushner, Trump Jr., and Paul Manafort? Well "adoptions" is a euphemism used in reference to the Magnitsky Act, sanctions against Russians.
Jared Kushner was in charge of the Trump campaign's digital operation.[4] Paul Manafort has been indicted, conspiracy against the United States is among the charges.[5]. We know Trump Jr. was in contact with Wikileaks.[6] We learned that congressman Rohrabacher is under investigation by Special Counsel Mueller.[7] Congressman Rohrabacher met with Julian Assange a few months ago offering a deal to absolve Assange.[8]
We have learned that Cambridge Analytica reached out to Wikileaks.[9] They also offered to organize the hacked emails.[10] We also know Cambridge Analytica is part of the Russia probe investigation.[11] Why would Mercer work with the Russians to undermine American democracy? Perhaps he wanted to avoid paying taxes?[12] The Paradise Papers leak confirms that Mercer used dark money to fund his efforts to sink Hillary Clinton's campaign.[13] And President Trump has now put a tax dodging expert as the interim IRS commissioner.[14]
This collusion seems more like a criminal conspiracy against the United States.[15] Rohrabacher and Trump were both being paid by Russia according to former House Majority leader McCarthy, it was in this infamous exchange where Paul Ryan jokingly said that this should be "kept in the family" as a secret.[16]
Browder's Senate Judicial Committee testimony[17] clarified reasons as to why the Russians would collude with Trump. He confirmed that Putin/Russia was closely tied to the Trump campaign. You can watch his testimony on CSPAN,[18] he paints an incredible picture of how the Russian government operates.
Russian sanctions, and in particular the Magnitsky Act, provides us with a motive.[19] President Trump recently signed an Executive Order[20] dictating that Tillerson and Mnuchin would be in charge of implementing the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act[21] - an expansion of The Magnitsky Act of 2012, formerly known as the Russia and Moldova Jackson–Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012.[22] These sanctions have been put in place to cripple Putin's power, there is a motive for him to try to reverse or negate these sanctions.
Moreover, Secretary of State Tillerson cannot be trusted.[23] He has systematically dismantled the State Department with major cuts to leadership roles[24]
1) New York Times - Trump Team Met With Lawyer Linked to Kremlin During Campaign
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort....
2) New York Times - Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russ...
3) New York Times - Trump Jr. Says He Wanted Russian Dirt to Determine Clinton’s ‘Fitness’ for Office
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/trump-russia-investigation.html
4) McClatchy - Trump-Russia investigators probe Jared Kushner-run digital operation
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html
5) Politico - FULL TEXT: Paul Manafort indictment
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/full-text-paul-manafort-indictment-...
6) The Atlantic - The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondenc...
7) NBC - Mueller Probing Pre-Election Flynn Meeting With Pro-Russia Congressman
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-probing-pre-election-flynn-meeti...
8) CNBC - A GOP congressman reportedly offered Trump a deal on absolving WikiLeaks' Assange
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/15/rohrabacher-reportedly-offers-trump-deal-on-a...
9) CNN - Trump campaign analytics company contacted WikiLeaks about Clinton emails
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/25/politics/cambridge-analytica-julian-assange-wik...
10) Wall Street Journal - Trump Donor Asked Data Firm If It Could Better Organize Hacked Emails
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-donor-asked-data-firm-if-it-could-better-o...
11) The Daily Beast - Russia Probe Now Investigating Cambridge Analytica, Trump’s ‘Psychographic’ Data Guru
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-probe-now-investigating-cambridge-analyt...
12) The Daily Beast - A Trump Backer’s $7 Billion War Against the IRS
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-moneymans-dollar7-billion-secret-war-with...
13) The Guardian - Robert Mercer invested offshore dark money to sink Clinton. He must be delighted
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/08/robert-mercer-offshore-...
14) The Daily Beast - Trump Installs Tax-Dodging Expert as the Head of the IRS
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-installs-tax-dodging-expert-as-the-head-o...
15) 18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
16) Washington Post - House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-...
17) The Atlantic - Bill Browder's Testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testimony-...
18) CSPAN Testimony - William Browder Overturning Magnitsky Act Putin's Top Priority
https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overturning-magnitsky-...
19) The Atlantantic - Why Does the Kremlin Care So Much About the Magnitsky Act?
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/magnitsky-act-kreml...
20) The White House - Presidential Memorandum for the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Treasury
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/08/presidential-memorandu...
21) S.284 - Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/284
22) H.R.6156 - Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/6156
23) Haaretz - Report: Death of Former Russian Spy Chief Linked to Dossier on Trump Ex-KGB general Oleg Erovinkin was found dead in his car in Moscow last month. He was a close associate of a former senior Kremlin official mentioned repeatedly in dossier.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.768228
24) BBC - US diplomacy cuts 'decapitates' State Department leadership
http://www.bbc.com/news/41921907

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Reply #1 - 11/17/17 at 16:12:01
 
OMG........  Shocked
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Reply #2 - 11/17/17 at 17:16:33
 
Just a quick look,
 24 links,
18 of them  from, ‘One  Sided  Sites’.
6 from, 'Ma bee' Sites, (who say what someone else said)

And  NOT stating: ‘The Rest Of the Story’.
     (AKA  Paul Harvey)

 OK,  Got it  !!!!!!
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Reply #3 - 11/17/17 at 20:33:22
 
ruckus430 wrote on 11/17/17 at 15:36:12:
timeline with sources but you prolly wont read it and this is just the half of it. Sorry but no amount of your "dialogue" can disprove how much evidence is already out there, trumpets your time is almost up and the rest of the world will move on without you.  You wanted sources well there they are in fact too much for you too even read thats how guilty they are you need a couple days to digest how much collusion there is. Yall are hopeless and dont respond to me if you havent read through.


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Trump and his allies may have colluded with Russia for different reasons, nevertheless a pattern seems to be emerging in which a conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud the United States becomes more likely on every passing day as more information comes to light.
Remember the Trump Tower meeting[1] Russian operatives[2] allegedly discussed "adoptions"[3] with Jared Kushner, Trump Jr., and Paul Manafort? Well "adoptions" is a euphemism used in reference to the Magnitsky Act, sanctions against Russians.
Jared Kushner was in charge of the Trump campaign's digital operation.[4] Paul Manafort has been indicted, conspiracy against the United States is among the charges.[5]. We know Trump Jr. was in contact with Wikileaks.[6] We learned that congressman Rohrabacher is under investigation by Special Counsel Mueller.[7] Congressman Rohrabacher met with Julian Assange a few months ago offering a deal to absolve Assange.[8]
We have learned that Cambridge Analytica reached out to Wikileaks.[9] They also offered to organize the hacked emails.[10] We also know Cambridge Analytica is part of the Russia probe investigation.[11] Why would Mercer work with the Russians to undermine American democracy? Perhaps he wanted to avoid paying taxes?[12] The Paradise Papers leak confirms that Mercer used dark money to fund his efforts to sink Hillary Clinton's campaign.[13] And President Trump has now put a tax dodging expert as the interim IRS commissioner.[14]
This collusion seems more like a criminal conspiracy against the United States.[15] Rohrabacher and Trump were both being paid by Russia according to former House Majority leader McCarthy, it was in this infamous exchange where Paul Ryan jokingly said that this should be "kept in the family" as a secret.[16]
Browder's Senate Judicial Committee testimony[17] clarified reasons as to why the Russians would collude with Trump. He confirmed that Putin/Russia was closely tied to the Trump campaign. You can watch his testimony on CSPAN,[18] he paints an incredible picture of how the Russian government operates.
Russian sanctions, and in particular the Magnitsky Act, provides us with a motive.[19] President Trump recently signed an Executive Order[20] dictating that Tillerson and Mnuchin would be in charge of implementing the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act[21] - an expansion of The Magnitsky Act of 2012, formerly known as the Russia and Moldova Jackson–Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012.[22] These sanctions have been put in place to cripple Putin's power, there is a motive for him to try to reverse or negate these sanctions.
Moreover, Secretary of State Tillerson cannot be trusted.[23] He has systematically dismantled the State Department with major cuts to leadership roles[24]
1) New York Times - Trump Team Met With Lawyer Linked to Kremlin During Campaign
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort....
2) New York Times - Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russ...
3) New York Times - Trump Jr. Says He Wanted Russian Dirt to Determine Clinton’s ‘Fitness’ for Office
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/trump-russia-investigation.html
4) McClatchy - Trump-Russia investigators probe Jared Kushner-run digital operation
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article160803619.html
5) Politico - FULL TEXT: Paul Manafort indictment
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/full-text-paul-manafort-indictment-...
6) The Atlantic - The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondenc...
7) NBC - Mueller Probing Pre-Election Flynn Meeting With Pro-Russia Congressman
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-probing-pre-election-flynn-meeti...
8) CNBC - A GOP congressman reportedly offered Trump a deal on absolving WikiLeaks' Assange
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/15/rohrabacher-reportedly-offers-trump-deal-on-a...
9) CNN - Trump campaign analytics company contacted WikiLeaks about Clinton emails
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/25/politics/cambridge-analytica-julian-assange-wik...
10) Wall Street Journal - Trump Donor Asked Data Firm If It Could Better Organize Hacked Emails
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-donor-asked-data-firm-if-it-could-better-o...
11) The Daily Beast - Russia Probe Now Investigating Cambridge Analytica, Trump’s ‘Psychographic’ Data Guru
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-probe-now-investigating-cambridge-analyt...
12) The Daily Beast - A Trump Backer’s $7 Billion War Against the IRS
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-moneymans-dollar7-billion-secret-war-with...
13) The Guardian - Robert Mercer invested offshore dark money to sink Clinton. He must be delighted
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/08/robert-mercer-offshore-...
14) The Daily Beast - Trump Installs Tax-Dodging Expert as the Head of the IRS
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-installs-tax-dodging-expert-as-the-head-o...
15) 18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
16) Washington Post - House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/house-majority-leader-...
17) The Atlantic - Bill Browder's Testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/bill-browders-testimony-...
18) CSPAN Testimony - William Browder Overturning Magnitsky Act Putin's Top Priority
https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overturning-magnitsky-...
19) The Atlantantic - Why Does the Kremlin Care So Much About the Magnitsky Act?
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/magnitsky-act-kreml...
20) The White House - Presidential Memorandum for the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Treasury
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/08/presidential-memorandu...
21) S.284 - Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/284
22) H.R.6156 - Russia and Moldova Jackson-Vanik Repeal and Sergei Magnitsky Rule of Law Accountability Act of 2012
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/6156
23) Haaretz - Report: Death of Former Russian Spy Chief Linked to Dossier on Trump Ex-KGB general Oleg Erovinkin was found dead in his car in Moscow last month. He was a close associate of a former senior Kremlin official mentioned repeatedly in dossier.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.768228
24) BBC - US diplomacy cuts 'decapitates' State Department leadership
http://www.bbc.com/news/41921907

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Reply #4 - 11/17/17 at 20:41:08
 
But... but... hillary's emails!

But....but... voter fraud!

But....but... the DNC!

But... but ... Benghazi!


Yeah, those cons are full of BUTs...  (get it?... see what I did there?)   Grin
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Reply #6 - 11/18/17 at 04:50:33
 
That long post is Trump Derangement Syndrome personified.

I read it. When it starts off with "...a pattern is emerging...." that tells me the writer had a theory and went looking for unconnected events to piece them together. I suggest you watch Beautiful Mind and see if you recognize anyone.

euphemisms...tax dodging expert....joke by Paul Ryan. Really?
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Reply #7 - 11/18/17 at 09:09:04
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/18/17 at 04:50:33:
That long post is Trump Derangement Syndrome personified.

I read it. When it starts off with "...a pattern is emerging...." that tells me the writer had a theory and went looking for unconnected events to piece them together. I suggest you watch Beautiful Mind and see if you recognize anyone.

euphemisms...tax dodging expert....joke by Paul Ryan. Really?


The Bible also foretells this.....

I have also shared before about other contractors ( when I use to live in SoCal ) who bragged about ripping off customers, but when they needed the services of someone else, they thought they were getting ripped off.

When you hate, you think others hate you, taking offense when not intended, etc....
Its toxic, a mental illness will quickly root in a mind that allows it, without scrutinizing ones own thoughts.
None of us are free from its clutches, you must admit your own sin, and change from within.

The movie The Wizard of Oz, is based on this very theme.

Our entire lives are guided by our minds.

The thoughts we allow into our brains every day shape our lives, and determine our future. You may have heard of this idea that we become what we think about from Earl nightingale, we’re going to go into more detail here..

So there is a famous American motivational speaker named Earl Nightingale, who has become famous for his speeches and most commonly his quote: ‘We become what we think about’. He basically claims that the thoughts we have actually determine our entire lives.

He claims that every man is the sum total of his thoughts, and that he’s where he is in life because that’s where he really wants to be. This type of responsibility is actually the case for all of us. We can change our lives at any time, but the intention must be there, otherwise nothing will happen.

In every moment, you make choices about your life, what you do with your time, where you etc, and these choices are based on your beliefs, and your thoughts. Your thoughts and beliefs contribute to your decisions and behavior, therefore your actions, and therefore your personality and character. We become what we think about all day long.

You’re guided by your mind
Everything you do in life and everything you have done has been guided by your thoughts. You might not have always been aware of this, and maybe sometimes it could have seemed like something else was in control, an external factor, maybe your parents or your school?

The truth however, is that everything in your life and even where you are now is a result of your choices. your thoughts become your choices, and therefore you are where you are now because that’s where you have chosen to be. It may be hard to hear this, but it’s the place to start from if you want to improve yourself.


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