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Reply #15 - 12/28/17 at 07:52:52
 
 When you sign an HOA agreement and it indicates you can not display religious material in view of the public, then you have agreed to not do that.  Same for landscaping, paint colors, and signage.

 "Butthurt" isn't a reason an HOA can provide consequence to a display.  

 The Jesus display you are referring to is about the signage, which is clearly indicated prior to home ownership.  Don't agree if you plan on putting signs in your front yard, even if it says Jesus, Muhammad, or Nancy.  Don't sign agreements you don't plan on following.
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Reply #16 - 12/28/17 at 10:57:44
 
Let's inspect the spirit of the law.
The letter of the law becomes tyrannical.
Why, again, was the rule
Made?
Why would anyone complain about a name written in lights?
Is every word a sign?
Really? I thought signs carried messages
Eat at Joe's.
Beware of dog.

But Jesus name in lights?
Get real..
And again
Being not a
Vote for Ralph
Or
Advertising
Or something permanent
SINCE THE OBJECT OF the hoa is to preserve and protect the values,
And since the Christmas decoration in question is very temporary and CAN'T AFFECT THE VALUES of adjoining properties, butthurt tyrants are the only people who have a problem.
Screw THAT.

It's a Christmas decoration. Get over it.
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Reply #17 - 12/28/17 at 11:02:04
 
Eegore wrote on 12/28/17 at 07:52:52:
 When you sign an HOA agreement and it indicates you can not display religious material in view of the public, then you have agreed to not do that.  Same for landscaping, paint colors, and signage.

 "Butthurt" isn't a reason an HOA can provide consequence to a display.  

 The Jesus display you are referring to is about the signage, which is clearly indicated prior to home ownership.  Don't agree if you plan on putting signs in your front yard, even if it says Jesus, Muhammad, or Nancy.  Don't sign agreements you don't plan on following.


Not sure anyone here is disagreeing with that.
You agree to a contract, or sworn statement, you need to adhere to it.
Like a mayor of governor who swears to uphold the laws, but decided after the fact they are not fair, etc, and decided not to apply them.

I am not sure if you understand my question or just want to avoid answering it.
Are any of these laws, regulations, implemented because some are offended and they want to make policies to make others adhere to their beliefs, ideas, etc?
It really is a yes, or no, answer.

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Reply #18 - 12/28/17 at 11:08:51
 
We obviously think differently.
The Letter of and Spirit of the law,I  consider both.
If I'm in the Left Turn Lane
I don't have a turn signal on.
Because the Law is written so that OTHERS can predict what I am about to do.
My intentions are made clear By my location.
No signal required.

Since the law is to protect values and since the Christmas decorations are so temporary , they can't affect the values, so, leave people alone.
They are not Hurting anyone.
Suggest you study libertarian theory.
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Reply #19 - 12/28/17 at 18:45:40
 
"I am not sure if you understand my question or just want to avoid answering it.
Are any of these laws, regulations, implemented because some are offended and they want to make policies to make others adhere to their beliefs, ideas, etc?
It really is a yes, or no, answer."

 No.
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Reply #20 - 12/28/17 at 19:23:38
 
Ok, thanks....
That is straight out.

You have stated previously that it’s your property and you will do with it as you please, or sumtin like that in this thread.

You own a duplex, you live in one, rent the other, who decides the criteria you use to rent it out?
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Reply #21 - 12/28/17 at 20:06:05
 
Eegore wrote on 12/28/17 at 18:45:40:
"I am not sure if you understand my question or just want to avoid answering it.
Are any of these laws, regulations, implemented because some are offended and they want to make policies to make others adhere to their beliefs, ideas, etc?
It really is a yes, or no, answer."

 No.


Ridiculous, stifling enforcement because someone complained. Bullshit , as if Jesus spelled out in lights for a coupla weeks would impact property values.

Authoritarian jackasses,

The REGULATIONS are designed to protect property values.
The needless enforcement was over a butthurt jackasses.
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Reply #22 - 12/29/17 at 05:30:20
 
"The REGULATIONS are designed to protect property values.
The needless enforcement was over a butthurt jackasses."

 This I agree with.  If I didn't sign an HOA I would refuse to remove the signage/display.  If I agreed to not do this, I would think its petty, but I would remove the sign because its in the HOA.

 I would then actually attend HOA meetings and attempt to get a clause allowing temporary holiday signage.  I'd take part in change and not post social media complaints that will get me nowhere.
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"You own a duplex, you live in one, rent the other, who decides the criteria you use to rent it out?"

 There are laws in place stating certain criteria if one is renting property.  They vary from state to state but most of them to my knowledge deal with contract verbiage, smoke/CO-2 detectors, eviction practices, safety deposits/refunds etc.

 Who I would rent to is up to me however certain discrimination rules apply especially if one is receiving funding for low income housing etc.
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Reply #24 - 12/29/17 at 08:30:50
 
Who I would rent to is up to me however certain discrimination rules apply

Then its not wholly up to you.
Who would you not rent too?
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Reply #25 - 12/29/17 at 08:36:49
 
In renting a property I believe some important considerations are:
Rental history, employment history, background check & most important credit rating.
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Reply #26 - 12/29/17 at 08:42:06
 
Who would I not rent to - people without money. Grin
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Reply #27 - 12/29/17 at 09:07:51
 
Eegore wrote on 12/29/17 at 05:30:20:
"The REGULATIONS are designed to protect property values.
The needless enforcement was over a butthurt jackasses."

 This I agree with.  If I didn't sign an HOA I would refuse to remove the signage/display.  If I agreed to not do this, I would think its petty, but I would remove the sign because its in the HOA.

 I would then actually attend HOA meetings and attempt to get a clause allowing temporary holiday signage.  I'd take part in change and not post social media complaints that will get me nowhere.


Years ago we were looking at a property in a nice community before I had heard about the hoa. I was almost ready to buy when someone said something about it and I walked out. I would not live there. So, I don't go to meetings.
I don't care what They do.
I do care about how people Think.
I try to get people to consider what is really happening inside their heads and hearts when they take a side. The needless authoritarian position, determined to see the little guy punished, is all too common.


REGULATIONS are designed to protect property values.
The needless enforcement was over a butthurt jackasses."

This I agree with.  If I


Finally, after I said it enough times.
My position never changed.
Just how I said it.
It's in every one of the posts.


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Hold on a minnitt..

Doing a reread..saw your post

indicates you can not display religious material in view of the public, then you have agreed to not do that.  Same for landscaping, paint colors, and signage



I didn't see that. I saw signs, and religious material went right by me.
Where was that? How can a manger even Be there if religious stuff is out?
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Reply #28 - 12/29/17 at 09:19:04
 
buster6315 wrote on 12/29/17 at 08:36:49:
In renting a property I believe some important considerations are:
Rental history, employment history, background check & most important credit rating.


I kid you not, in Seattle that is considered not fair.
I am not up to snuff on all the criteria, but to use the "past" to judge is considered discriminatory.

They are presently pushing a "the first to apply" gets it.

Here is a link/article:  https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/a-primer-on-seattles-new-f...
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Reply #29 - 12/29/17 at 11:00:52
 
It IS discrimination. It's NOT PREJUDICIAL discrimination.
Insanity.. just Frikken insanity
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