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Getting hard to dialogue.....,
12/23/17 at 10:59:03

Seems as a society we are coming to a point where perhaps we will be forced to talk about issues without having to label folks for the asking.

Example, a Christian asking about Gayness, a white conservative asking about affirmative action, etc.

The divide and conquer seems to have revealed its own bias, or self promotion, over educating....
Now that how men and women view sex differently.

No way do I think Al Franken intended to hurt anyone, it was all prank, a very common practice for a comedian.

But it seems a scorch earth mentality is alive and well, as it have been played religiously with political correctness, but perhaps, hopefully, it will now be revealed as the shame it is and we can allow honest dialogue to begin....

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10591 Minn Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #1 - 12/23/17 at 12:00:12 intended to hurt anyone, That is so, ‘wide’. Say I am reading the front of a Woman's ’T’ shirt, which has a manifesto, of their thoughts on , ’Sexual something’. I am looking at their chest. Is it to Read, what is written ? Is it to Look at their boobs ? What is the, 'intent' ?
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #2 - 12/23/17 at 12:27:56 I guess you could ask if a low cut top/blouse is meant to invite a glance, or just to cool the milk This is what prompts the question, looking, versus gawking, or what? WE NEED DIALOGUE
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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #3 - 12/23/17 at 12:53:35 Or see through tops?
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #4 - 12/23/17 at 13:07:21 Trippah wrote on 12/23/17 at 12:53:35: Or see through tops? Exactly..... If we look, we are screwed, if we ignore, they feel rejected? Bikini’s..... If I look, my wife cracks my head We jest, but if you are a high profile person????
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Re: Getting hard to dialogue.....,
Reply #5 - 12/27/17 at 05:35:05

I would say the "If we ignore they feel rejected" perception is extremely rare. I've never heard a woman complain about it, there's always another guy literally seconds away that will look.

If someone dresses for attention and "feels" rejected its nobodies responsibility but their own. I have no obligation to help anyone feel better about their clothing choices.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #6 - 12/27/17 at 10:05:18 I wonder if you could extend your reasoning about rejection, and their feelings, etc, into public policies too? Do you understand the question?
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Reply #7 - 12/27/17 at 11:36:31

If we look, we are screwed, if we ignore, they feel rejected?

Bikini’s.....

Are you asking how men choosing to not look at girls in bikinis fit into public policy? I don't have a way to implement that.

My point was that I do not know of any women that "feel rejected" when a person does not look at them based off of their clothing choices. Its extremely rare by my accounts and when it does happen its usually with adolescents.

"Feeling" rejected is not commonplace enough for it to be taken into account. I say if someone thinks looking at someone elses body could be offensive at that time, then don't. Do not feel you should look so they don't feel rejected from your opinion of what is attractive.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #8 - 12/27/17 at 12:12:18 The bikini is just an example. Is making ANY policy based on offending others justified? Example, how does displaying a confederate flag, or a nativity scene, offend?
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Reply #9 - 12/27/17 at 12:28:22

I think in regard to clothing and personal observations of people the basic sexual harassment guidelines have been fine. Compliments are ok, sexual advances aren't. Looking is ok, blatant staring is not.

As for flags and nativity scenes areas with Homeowners Associations that one agrees to when buying/building in that area should abide by the agreements.

Flags other than state, national, armed services, Coast Guard and Red Cross (only when servicing) should not be displayed on public property. nativity scenes, due to separation of church and state should not be displayed on public property.

Private property is fine as long as it does not violate public decency regulations, like nativity scenes with nudity/sex in them, or flags that say "Fu ck Jews" should not be displayed.

I don't judge this based off of whos offended, but off of local and national laws.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #10 - 12/27/17 at 13:00:23 Thank you for replying, but would you not say the basis for these HOA, etc, policies are to NOT offend? To me that seems the foundation of the complaint..... A complaint, then a motion, then a decision to implement policies.
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Re: Getting hard to dialogue.....,
Reply #11 - 12/27/17 at 14:23:48

Must everyone behave so as to not offend anyone?
Where is their responsibility to deal with the harsh realities of life?
If you're Offended by the idea that you must go to work, go to the store, pay bills and cook, who must protect you from that?
No, someone
Offended
By my clothes can look away.
The constant pressure to change for others is getting really, really, OLD.
People need to STFU and leave others alone.

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Reply #12 - 12/27/17 at 18:41:40

My experience with HOA's are not based off of who's offended as much as a vested interest in maintaining property value by requiring consistency in architectural and landscaping methods.

It could be true that some HOA somewhere is more interested in not offending people, I just haven't seen one that has a Basis prioritized on that over investment in the property itself.

People can complain all day about what I do on my private property, none of the laws in my area apply to things that offend. I can fly flags, and display nativity scenes if I want.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Getting hard to dialogue....., Reply #13 - 12/27/17 at 18:57:26 I agree with your understanding of the purpose of the hoa. But when they come down on someone for what is clearly temporary, because someone else is butthurt over a Jesus plaque in a manger, that is bullshit.
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Re: Getting hard to dialogue.....,
Reply #14 - 12/27/17 at 21:25:47

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/27/17 at 18:57:26:

I agree with your understanding of the purpose of the hoa.
But when they come down on someone for what is clearly temporary, because someone else is butthurt over a
Jesus plaque in a manger, that is bullshit.

We got a winner here!

That is exactly right, how can a nativity scene, etc, displayed during appropriate times subtract from the value of the HOA, well maybe if they are Black, or........

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