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But, But, it's for the rich, right?
01/24/18 at 00:18:06
 
Disney announces a one-time cash bonus of $1,000 for over 125,000 employees.
The company will also make a $50 million investment into a new employee education program.
Both initiatives are a result of the recent tax reform.

How many more do you need?
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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #1 - 01/24/18 at 09:53:07
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/18 at 00:18:06:
Disney announces a one-time cash bonus of $1,000 for over 125,000 employees.
The company will also make a $50 million investment into a new employee education program.
Both initiatives are a result of the recent tax reform.

How many more do you need?


Why not state the question as such?

Who can count to the end of infinity?
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Reply #2 - 01/24/18 at 10:43:21
 
Which is a small bit of the monies not paid in taxes, guess who will have to make up the difference.  It wont be mice. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Oh wait, for 8 years we have heard all about the deficit, thank heavens that no longer is a problem. Wink
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Reply #3 - 01/24/18 at 10:49:27
 
A trillion in tax cuts, and they trickle a couple of billion down on the proles...
Good PR,.. nothing more...
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Reply #4 - 01/24/18 at 10:54:03
 
I don't expect to see everything balance out in just a few years, but without exports, the trade balance will always be imbalanced. By changing the taxes and renegotiating the trade deals that certainly did coincide with the downturn of prosperity for the people, we will begin to turn that around. Like cleaning out and reorganizing a closet, the first step makes it worse.
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Reply #5 - 01/24/18 at 10:55:42
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/24/18 at 10:49:27:
A trillion in tax cuts, and they trickle a couple of billion down on the proles...
Good PR,.. nothing more...


As opposed to?

Lets hear your ideas, more, less, what?

Do you have any solutions to problems, or just nay say?

Everybody in the same boat, period, is that it?
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Reply #6 - 01/24/18 at 11:15:10
 
Serowbot wrote on 01/24/18 at 10:49:27:
A trillion in tax cuts, and they trickle a couple of billion down on the proles...
Good PR,.. nothing more...


Real wealth stopped growing for the average person in the seventies. Everyone knows that. The government has been jacking with taxes for a long time. And you are better off because of the high taxes? Or does it just piss you off that a company is suddenly unburdened by confiscatory taxes? If you won't read then at Least learn from what you are seeing. Jobs coming back.
Obama said it was impossible, remember?
HE WAS WRONG. Learn from it.
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Reply #7 - 01/24/18 at 13:45:12
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/18 at 11:15:10:
Serowbot wrote on 01/24/18 at 10:49:27:
A trillion in tax cuts, and they trickle a couple of billion down on the proles...
Good PR,.. nothing more...


Real wealth stopped growing for the average person in the seventies. Everyone knows that. The government has been jacking with taxes for a long time. And you are better off because of the high taxes? Or does it just piss you off that a company is suddenly unburdened by confiscatory taxes? If you won't read then at Least learn from what you are seeing. Jobs coming back.
Obama said it was impossible, remember?
HE WAS WRONG. Learn from it.



JOG's word of the day = confiscatory

and what jobs are coming back? not saying you're wrong, just I haven't heard of any..

oh wait, here's an article from 2016, way before Trump was the official nominee, that says jobs are coming back https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/04/23/24-7-wallst-economy-...

Here's an article from 2015 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-flips-the-script-on-jobs-reshoring-final...

ooooo and another one from 2015 https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2015/02/02/why-its-time-to...


uh oh, 2014 even!  https://www.forbes.com/sites/allbusiness/2014/02/27/trickle-of-jobs-returning...


thanks Obama!

now to be fair, yes businesses do like Trump better, after all, Trump is doing everything they want, deregulation, rewarding them even more via tax cuts (I'm not even opposed to the corporate tax cuts, I'm opposed to how they are being paid for via taking tax deductions from the ordinary citizens and deficit spending, but the idea is good)

and it is WAY too early to be giving Trump all the praise for everything positive that's happened business wise, sure, he gets some credit, but he didn't built that  Wink
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Reply #8 - 01/24/18 at 14:19:01
 
You give obama credit?
What did he do exactly?

I think a president can effect it somewhat, but if it was as simple as saying a president wants jobs and a good economy, then you would have to be a real stupid to do anything otherwise.

Timing plays a BIG factor.

I think the joke is all the liberal rags and prognosticators said if Tweeter was elected it would tank, a real gloom and doom prediction.

That is the story, accept it or not.
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Reply #9 - 01/24/18 at 14:25:37
 
raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:19:01:
You give obama credit?
What did he do exactly?

I think a president can effect it somewhat, but if it was as simple as saying a president wants jobs and a good economy, then you would have to be a real stupid to do anything otherwise.

Timing plays a BIG factor.

I think the joke is all the liberal rags and prognosticators said if Tweeter was elected it would tank, a real gloom and doom prediction.

That is the story, accept it or not.



the other joke is that all the conservative rags and prognosticators say that Trump is causing it all and it's all roses and chocolate.

that's the story, accept it or not.

companies made record profit under Obama, and they've CONTINUED to do so under Trump.  

Trump didn't start in a great recession either.

Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession.

I'm not praising either man, just acknowledging the realities of timing as you said.
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Reply #10 - 01/24/18 at 14:31:02
 
Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession.


AND yet, not even one quarter of 3% growth. Stellar.
Say what you will, the tax cuts have affected the economy, positively and it's already seen and felt by John Q. Public.
If anyone is unaware of the companies
Bringing cash home and building plants it's because they are up CNN's butt so far they know nothing about what is really going on.
Look at Apple.
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Reply #11 - 01/24/18 at 14:41:26
 
FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:25:37:
raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:19:01:
You give obama credit?
What did he do exactly?

I think a president can effect it somewhat, but if it was as simple as saying a president wants jobs and a good economy, then you would have to be a real stupid to do anything otherwise.

Timing plays a BIG factor.

I think the joke is all the liberal rags and prognosticators said if Tweeter was elected it would tank, a real gloom and doom prediction.

That is the story, accept it or not.



the other joke is that all the conservative rags and prognosticators say that Trump is causing it all and it's all roses and chocolate.

that's the story, accept it or not.

companies made record profit under Obama, and they've CONTINUED to do so under Trump.  

Trump didn't start in a great recession either.

Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession.

I'm not praising either man, just acknowledging the realities of timing as you said.


Obama inherentled a real screwed up economy, absolutely, yet no one wanted to look at the possible why?

You argue the the conservative rags give Trump credit, then you have to (and I think you did) accept the fact the left bent media plays the same card.

It’s up to US to not play their game because only they benifit with their ploy, as in, tune in tomorrow for “ As the World Turns “
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Reply #12 - 01/24/18 at 15:00:30
 
raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:41:26:
FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:25:37:
raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:19:01:
You give obama credit?
What did he do exactly?

I think a president can effect it somewhat, but if it was as simple as saying a president wants jobs and a good economy, then you would have to be a real stupid to do anything otherwise.

Timing plays a BIG factor.

I think the joke is all the liberal rags and prognosticators said if Tweeter was elected it would tank, a real gloom and doom prediction.

That is the story, accept it or not.



the other joke is that all the conservative rags and prognosticators say that Trump is causing it all and it's all roses and chocolate.

that's the story, accept it or not.

companies made record profit under Obama, and they've CONTINUED to do so under Trump.  

Trump didn't start in a great recession either.

Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession.

I'm not praising either man, just acknowledging the realities of timing as you said.


Obama inherentled a real screwed up economy, absolutely, yet no one wanted to look at the possible why?

You argue the the conservative rags give Trump credit, then you have to (and I think you did) accept the fact the left bent media plays the same card.

It’s up to US to not play their game because only they benifit with their ploy, as in, tune in tomorrow for “ As the World Turns “



you're right, I did admit and accept that there is a left wing media that is trying to make Trump fail and look like a fool (not really that hard with the fool part)   I'm quite aware of bias in the media, it happens on BOTH sides, I do find one side (the left) to be more light hearted than the other and less gloom and doom and fear based, that doesn't make them any less biased, but a lot more pleasant to deal with.
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Reply #13 - 01/24/18 at 19:15:04
 
A bit more pleasant, well that is your perception....
I see the ugliness and it roost in both parties/beliefs.

Berkeley being a good example, and the news outlets and Hollywood sitting on sexual harassment problems for years, while chiding and accusing the right....
Their judgement just as hateful as a evangelical killing a abortion doctor...
Blacklisting folks who believe otherwise, etc.

I find them both complicit and just as guilty of the same charge they level against those they hate.

I sometimes think I am just wasting my time giving it any attention at all, but that is solely on me, I blame no one for my choices.
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Reply #14 - 01/25/18 at 08:23:15
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/24/18 at 14:31:02:
Obama had economic growth during most of his presidency, after recovering from a great recession.


AND yet, not even one quarter of 3% growth. Stellar.
Say what you will, the tax cuts have affected the economy, positively and it's already seen and felt by John Q. Public.
If anyone is unaware of the companies
Bringing cash home and building plants it's because they are up CNN's butt so far they know nothing about what is really going on.
Look at Apple.


actually, Obama had many quarters over 3% growth

https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-peri...

some as high as 5.2% growth, and that's just from 2011 to 2017

now annually, you are correct, no 3% growth annually from Obama

and being part of John Q. Public, I'll admit, I believe, but I'd have to do math to figure it out for sure and that's not going to happen, that I've benefited from the tax cuts, I had my hours cut this year and I think the impact has been reduced due to the tax cuts, I thought I'd loose about $75 per check, but I actually only lose about $45 per check (biweekly) but there are a lot of factors that play into that, I have a lot of pre-tax expenses, healthcare, 401k, other benefits... so I don't know how all that played into my actual take home pay.  

and you still failed to answer the question. Apple's been playing with the idea of building the iPhone in the USA for at least 5 years now, I've heard Ford might be bringing a plant to the USA that was scheduled for Mexico, not sure why I think that though.

notice how when I argue, I provide links to exterior sources that back up what I say, while you just say I'm stupid for not believing you.  

so step it up a bit will ya, no wonder people here don't trust you or want to talk to you
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