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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #15 - 01/25/18 at 08:28:37

raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 19:15:04:

A bit more pleasant, well that is your perception....
I see the ugliness and it roost in both parties/beliefs.

Berkeley being a good example, and the news outlets and Hollywood sitting on sexual harassment problems for years, while chiding and accusing the right....
Their judgement just as hateful as a evangelical killing a abortion doctor...
Blacklisting folks who believe otherwise, etc.

I find them both complicit and just as guilty of the same charge they level against those they hate.

I sometimes think I am just wasting my time giving it any attention at all, but that is solely on me, I blame no one for my choices.

the extremes on both sides are extreme.

being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can.

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #16 - 01/25/18 at 10:02:17

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/25/18 at 08:28:37:

raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 19:15:04:

A bit more pleasant, well that is your perception....
I see the ugliness and it roost in both parties/beliefs.

Berkeley being a good example, and the news outlets and Hollywood sitting on sexual harassment problems for years, while chiding and accusing the right....
Their judgement just as hateful as a evangelical killing a abortion doctor...
Blacklisting folks who believe otherwise, etc.

I find them both complicit and just as guilty of the same charge they level against those they hate.

I sometimes think I am just wasting my time giving it any attention at all, but that is solely on me, I blame no one for my choices.

the extremes on both sides are extreme.

being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can.

Yeah, I can understand that.
I was absolutely blown away when I had this very old and dear friend, who happened to be Black, tell me of his experiences while driving from California, down to the South.

As a white dude it was really hard to wrap an understanding around it, why folks would do such things to another human being because of the color of their skin.

It really is amazing what ignorance and hate can produce in people.

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #17 - 01/25/18 at 10:16:11

raydawg wrote on 01/25/18 at 10:02:17:

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/25/18 at 08:28:37:

raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 19:15:04:

A bit more pleasant, well that is your perception....
I see the ugliness and it roost in both parties/beliefs.

Berkeley being a good example, and the news outlets and Hollywood sitting on sexual harassment problems for years, while chiding and accusing the right....
Their judgement just as hateful as a evangelical killing a abortion doctor...
Blacklisting folks who believe otherwise, etc.

I find them both complicit and just as guilty of the same charge they level against those they hate.

I sometimes think I am just wasting my time giving it any attention at all, but that is solely on me, I blame no one for my choices.

the extremes on both sides are extreme.

being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can.

Yeah, I can understand that.
I was absolutely blown away when I had this very old and dear friend, who happened to be Black, tell me of his experiences while driving from California, down to the South.

As a white dude it was really hard to wrap an understanding around it, why folks would do such things to another human being because of the color of their skin.

It really is amazing what ignorance and hate can produce in people.

have you ever heard of the little green book black people used to use to travel the USA, it was a necessity for them up until the late 70's at least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #18 - 01/25/18 at 10:39:32

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/25/18 at 10:16:11:

raydawg wrote on 01/25/18 at 10:02:17:

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/25/18 at 08:28:37:

raydawg wrote on 01/24/18 at 19:15:04:

A bit more pleasant, well that is your perception....
I see the ugliness and it roost in both parties/beliefs.

Berkeley being a good example, and the news outlets and Hollywood sitting on sexual harassment problems for years, while chiding and accusing the right....
Their judgement just as hateful as a evangelical killing a abortion doctor...
Blacklisting folks who believe otherwise, etc.

I find them both complicit and just as guilty of the same charge they level against those they hate.

I sometimes think I am just wasting my time giving it any attention at all, but that is solely on me, I blame no one for my choices.

the extremes on both sides are extreme.

being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can.

Yeah, I can understand that.
I was absolutely blown away when I had this very old and dear friend, who happened to be Black, tell me of his experiences while driving from California, down to the South.

As a white dude it was really hard to wrap an understanding around it, why folks would do such things to another human being because of the color of their skin.

It really is amazing what ignorance and hate can produce in people.

have you ever heard of the little green book black people used to use to travel the USA, it was a necessity for them up until the late 70's at least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book

Not sure I even want to know Embarrassed

I know I have not had it so bad, so my perspective really isn't based on another mans shoes, however, that can be said about anybody.

Do I need to be a whipped slave, to have empathy?
Do I have to reveal scars and say, "LOOK!"
Will man always try to hold other men accountable for mankind's ugliness?

Don't we trap ourselves into the very thinking, that we find so abhorrent in others, that often still leads to more ugliness when it festers and finally erupts?

Does mankind have the capacity to forgive and move on, therefor freeing themselves of having to harbor memories that destroy the moment?

Who shall I hold accountable for my thoughts, you, or me?

Can you give to me that of which I don't give myself?

Seems the choice is that of slavery, or free will............

Who holds my freedom?

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #20 - 01/25/18 at 12:02:01

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/25/18 at 11:38:27:

Those evil,greedy people..

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/25/home-depot-awards-1000-bonus...

they could have done that at any time, but they waited for a deficit spending tax cut to do it, so our taxes are paying for their bonuses. We should all send them a "you're welcome" card to match JOG's snark

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #21 - 01/25/18 at 16:38:42

I've seen you say things that make me think you're smarter than that.
Are you Really unable to see what dropping taxes on people does? It's Right here in front of us.
Why is Apple coming back and paying the Minimal tax on BILLIONS, and building new factories?
All these companies have been holding out until they have a political statement to make?
You don't Know what effect on the deficit the tax law will have.
Did those forecasts include the BILLIONS in taxes Apple paid?
What about the increased economic activity?
What about the increased EXPORTS?
I'm calling Bullshit on the negative impact of the tax code change.

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #22 - 01/26/18 at 10:30:57

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/25/18 at 16:38:42:

I've seen you say things that make me think you're smarter than that.
Are you Really unable to see what dropping taxes on people does? It's Right here in front of us.
Why is Apple coming back and paying the Minimal tax on BILLIONS, and building new factories?
All these companies have been holding out until they have a political statement to make?
You don't Know what effect on the deficit the tax law will have.
Did those forecasts include the BILLIONS in taxes Apple paid?
What about the increased economic activity?
What about the increased EXPORTS?
I'm calling Bullshit on the negative impact of the tax code change.

unlike you, who is desperate to prove yourself right, I'm willing to wait and see.

if these tax cuts were funded by spending cuts, then sure, all gravy, but they aren't or at least weren't proposed to be, the CBO and independent studies have said they add $1.5 TRILLION to the debt. well, that's a handout, that's US taxpayers handing money to big corporations and the rich and to each other. This is more or less just a targeted Stimulus package like Obama passed, but twice as big and aimed towards corporations instead of infrastructure. This might be a better way, but it's still deficit spending until it isn't and there's no way to tell when or if that's going to happen.

Also in a $19 TRILLION dollar gdp economy, these bonuses are rather inconsequential, sure they are great for the people getting them and they might boost a little economic activity for a blink of an eye.

Compare this to the Bush stimulus where taxpayers directly received at least $600 from the government directly, $168 Billion dollar government expense, guess what, didn't do much, and that was $168 BILLION, all the bonuses combined haven't even come close to that yet.

wait and see

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #23 - 01/26/18 at 10:56:04

to the Bush stimulus where taxpayers directly received at least $600 from the government directly, $168 Billion dollar government expense, guess what, didn't do much, and that w

I've considered that and decided it's not even in the same ballpark.
His idea was a bad idea. This tax cut has brought billions home, which may contribute to inflation and eventually pain, but corporate interests are promising infrastructure and jobs, so yeah, it's a wait and see thing, but I am seeing reason to expect it to be good for everyone, especially if the trade deals are renegotiated in a sane manner. The trade deals were economic suicide.

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #24 - 01/26/18 at 11:30:44

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 01/25/18 at 08:28:37:

" ... the extremes on both sides are extreme. being in Texas, I really only experience the extreme right as they go around uninhibited, "telling it like it is," as rudely and loudly as they can.

This has been said before by many,
and in many ways, yet it bears repeating.
In my opinion.

Let’s say:
Your Grossly Overweight,
You Drink to much,
You Smoke 3 packs a day,
You only eat at Fast Food places.

You go to a doctor one day.
Which doctor would you prefer.

One says:
Your Fat, Your Drunk, You smoke way to much, and your diet is atrocious.
Those things Must Change, if you want to live a good life.
So Here is what we are going to do:
(then outlines a plan)
Next one says:
Well we can give you pills for all those things, they will make you feel better.
then come back every month and see me again, and I will give you more pills, that will make you feel better.

I’m thinking, the Citizens of this Nation,
voted for the 1st described Doctor,
cause they had enough of the 2nd described doctor.

And maybe they don’t like the brunt way the first doctor talks.
Yet they will accept that, ‘bluntness’,
because they KNOW,
‘’Take two pills and call me in the morning”
Does NOT Work.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Re: But, But, it's for the rich, right?
Reply #25 - 01/26/18 at 12:22:59

I like that.....

You take the teachers desk, I will move to your old spot in the front row Grin

I have shared this before, I bet no one even looked it up.

Without me going into my testimony again, as frankly, I'm getting tired of sharing it.... Grin

The book: The Four Agreements.

Which are 4 agreements you make with YOURSELF....

Here is a link to it with reviews on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/The-Four-Agreements/dp/B0007OB40E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&q...

Ok, a little bit of testimony.....

It was given to me when I was about out of life.
All that I was told to believe wasn't providing me with a sustainable life.
Think about it....
When you rely on others, to provide and direct you, you really are only an extension of them.
That might not be who you ARE!
However, to even question that, leaves you prone to doubting yourself, and the guilt associated with it.

I had to break that cycle of learned behavior.
Doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting different results ( sorta like I do posting on this forum Undecided

) is INSANITY

This book can be a great tool, If, you are ready to be honest for change in your life......

I have given away copies and to see others helped by it, helps me, to keep its practice in place.
Its not a do it, and done, thing, its a life time of work, change.....
Forward, only to fall backwards, but even that is of great value, if you keep its message to heart.

Ok, I'm done Kiss

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