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Reply #15 - 01/29/18 at 10:20:31

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 01/29/18 at 09:03:32:

, the inner cities are not a Democratic plan;but a result of natural desire to be with people "like" themselves and the lack of wealth (and most importantly the chance of making it) keeps them bottled up surrounded by a police force. When a few do make money, they usually move out.

Nobody said it was the result of a conspiracy.
It's just the necessary end result OF bad ideas.
What HISTORICALLY conservative big city has ghetto problems?
Where are they worst?
See a pattern?
What causes it?
That's not perfectly easy , but the most common factor is
Democrats run it.

No one taught them how to fish?

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Reply #16 - 01/29/18 at 10:22:06

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Really, do you really see this happening?

I am at least willing to entertain the possibility. And to consider what my own response to that kind of a catastrophe might be.

Think about the beginning of World War One; which wasn't really a "World War" unless you happened to be an Eastern or Western European or a Russian, and believed that those places constituted the entire planet, but which was the war that all the smart people of the time were firmly convinced could never, ever happen. Until. in the summer of 1914, all those smart folks found themselves embroiled in a war that "couldn't happen."

"chicken little"

the opposite of that is "head in the sand."

Take your pick.

I don't believe the author of the speech I linked to is really arguing about partisan politics so much as describing what happens when such political animosity spirals out of control. I know that that is what I'm talking about.

One of the things that we should learn from history, is that even when ideology gets us into trouble, the trouble always escalates in unexpected ways, and the ideology always gets trampled by the realities of the situation as it unfolds.

So, make everything about liberals vs conservatives if you want. Fail to see the forest for the trees.

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Reply #17 - 01/29/18 at 10:24:42

oldNslow wrote on 01/28/18 at 20:33:40:

" Wow... you seriously believe that??? Pretty scary. And you think the liberals are to blame?

If you can't see that the establishment republicans are just as bad (and in some cases worse) - you're sorely mistaken."

I think it's a distinct possibility.

As far as blame; there is plenty to go around. And there will be more than just two sides. Who ones enemies and allies are will at times be difficult to figure out with certainty.

The first civil war was horrific. Not just the major battles, and events like Sherman's scorched earth march across the deep south, but also the unrelenting savagery of the asymmetrical guerilla warfare in Kansas and Missouri and some of the other border states, that literally pitted communities and sometimes even families against one another. If current events are any indicator, "Bleeding Kansas" may actually be closer to what things will look like than Gettysburg, or Shiloh, or Antietam.

Anyway, if the sh*t does hit the fan again, I believe what's likely to come down the pike will make the events of 1861 to 1865 seem to be an exercise in civility in comparison.

Wont be seeing much of this between the combatants on opposite sides after a battle:

https://youtu.be/8dDpwZegm60

I have more faith in the goodness of people than you seem to.

Information - read, the truth - will be the undoing of the oligarchy. We the people are still We The People.

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Reply #18 - 01/29/18 at 11:20:32

I have faith in plain old folks too, deplorable as well.
Identity politics only tries to fan embers into flames....
Why not try and extinguish the embers?
I agree, many methods can be offered as the best way, but to attack one because his hose is white ain’t it.

As I stated in another thread, our marring across all racial, social, religious, economic, etc, lines and boundaries will solves the problem via love.....

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Reply #19 - 01/29/18 at 11:21:11

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I have more faith in the goodness of people than you seem to.

Commendable, but perhaps unrealistic.

Just one example out of many:

The widely accepted number for Soviet deaths in WW2 is about 27 million, with just under 9 million of those being military personnel. That leaves 18 million or so noncombatants whose faith, or lack of same, in the goodness of their fellow man didn't do a lot of good.

Like I said, in different words, in the post before this one, responding to Ray and Trippah: we think we're in control of events, but we are really not.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: This guy understands the problem Reply #20 - 01/29/18 at 11:24:20 I will give you that.... We see what lemmings do.
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Reply #21 - 01/29/18 at 12:09:42

JOG

your "one side is where all the evil is" philosophy IS THE PROBLEM. you aren't the only one who has it, and it happens on both sides, but you definitely have a bad case of it.

all your arguments are not useless, you are a fanatical right wing hack. the only time you attack your own is because they aren't right enough for you. sounds middle-eastern....

hope someday you realize you are thinking like a member of a cult and somehow rejoin society as a normal rational person, but I won't hold my breath

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FormerlyLostArtist Ex Member	Re: This guy understands the problem Reply #22 - 01/29/18 at 12:11:13 it's telling that conservatives point to other conservatives screaming about upcoming civil wars and taking to arms to "take their country back" and then blame liberals for threatening or even being violent.....
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Reply #23 - 01/29/18 at 12:29:03

Lost, I don’t think your remark/post is meant to be disingenuous, but to me it seems like after having walked into a Mexican restaurant to eat, you blame it for only having Mexican food on its menu.

Take last night at the Grammy Awards, the left faults Tweeter for tweeting, etc, yet given a platform and exposure they take their leftist beliefs and use it for their own BELIEFS....

It takes two to tango.

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Reply #24 - 01/29/18 at 12:41:35

raydawg wrote on 01/29/18 at 12:29:03:

Lost, I don’t think your remark/post is meant to be disingenuous, but to me it seems like after having walked into a Mexican restaurant to eat, you blame it for only having Mexican food on its menu.

Take last night at the Grammy Awards, the left faults Tweeter for tweeting, etc, yet given a platform and exposure they take their leftist beliefs and use it for their own BELIEFS....

It takes two to tango.

did you miss the part where I said it happens on both sides???

" and it happens on both sides,"

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Reply #25 - 01/29/18 at 15:19:35

oldNslow wrote on 01/29/18 at 11:21:11:

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I have more faith in the goodness of people than you seem to.

Commendable, but perhaps unrealistic.

Just one example out of many:

The widely accepted number for Soviet deaths in WW2 is about 27 million, with just under 9 million of those being military personnel. That leaves 18 million or so noncombatants whose faith, or lack of same, in the goodness of their fellow man didn't do a lot of good.

But this isn't that world - not even close. kim jong whatshisface farts and we know about it. I think that's the point too many miss. We are in the 21st Century and things are so vastly different than the world of the 40's - or even 80's.

Like I said, in different words, in the post before this one, responding to Ray and Trippah: we think we're in control of events, but we are really not.

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Re: This guy understands the problem
Reply #26 - 01/29/18 at 16:04:48

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But this isn't that world - not even close. kim jong whatshisface farts and we know about it. I think that's the point too many miss. We are in the 21st Century and things are so vastly different than the world of the 40's - or even 80's.

I disagree. People haven't changed much. And our dependence on our technology and our interconnectedness is a weakness not a strength. Things are much more fragile then most folks imagine IMO.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: This guy understands the problem Reply #27 - 01/29/18 at 17:05:26 Yep, nothing new under the sun, we just know it more quickly, hopefully.... The Bible revealed man’s nature, nothing has changed. Psychology and Shakesphere both use the Bible as a foundation to gauge mankind.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: This guy understands the problem Reply #28 - 01/29/18 at 20:12:19 And a few E.M.P.s will make us all equal.
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