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1965.........
01/28/18 at 10:11:45

And, we are on the eve of destruction....... still.

Have you ever noticed how many folks visit Suzuki Savage Forms......
And how many post/visit the tall table room?
Does that give you pause?

The eastern world, it is explodin',
Violence flarin', bullets loadin',
You're old enough to kill but not for votin',
You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin',
And even the Jordan river has bodies floatin',
But you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Don't you understand, what I'm trying to say?
And can't you feel the fears I'm feeling today?
If the button is pushed, there's no running away,
There'll be no one to save with the world in a grave,
Take a look around you, boy, it's bound to scare you, boy,
And you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Yeah, my blood's so mad, feels like coagulatin',
I'm sittin' here, just contemplatin',
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation,
Handful of Senators don't pass legislation,
And marches alone can't bring integration,
When human respect is disintegratin',
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin',
And you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
Ah, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

Think of all the hate there is in Red China!
Then take a look around to Selma, Alabama!
Ah, you may leave here, for four days in space,
But when your return, it's the same old place,
The poundin' of the drums, the pride and disgrace,
You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace,
Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace,
And you tell me over and over and over and over again my friend,
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.

No, no, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction.
Writer/s: P. F. SLOAN, STEVE BARRI
Publisher: Universal Music Publishing Group
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“The biggest big business in America is not steel, automobiles, or television. It is the manufacture, refinement and distribution of anxiety.”—Eric Sevareid (1964)

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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: 1965......... Reply #1 - 01/28/18 at 19:18:31 Bullseye.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 1965......... Reply #2 - 01/28/18 at 20:05:49 Who's gonna toss the first one? Nobody. Being a nuclear weapons armed country is just a deterrent.
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Reply #3 - 01/29/18 at 09:07:21

Trippah wrote on 01/28/18 at 19:18:31:

Bullseye.

I think the question is: What drives fear, and why?
What do the purveyors of fear accomplish?

1965 this song was penned in one night.
We are told we are on the eve of destruction.

We have been through many different administrations since then, both Democrat and Republican.
Both parties had majorities and could have addressed these concerns.
Its 2018, we are still on the eve of destruction.

I remember years ago hearing the story a man had designed a carburetor that would turn engines into machines that could get 100 miles per gallon, or something to that effect.
But he was bought out, or killed, because the oil industry made too much money the way it was.

Or that a doctor had found a cure for cancer, but they silenced him, killed him, etc, because cancer is big business.

Anyone here want to even reflect deeply into why they believe why they do?

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Reply #4 - 01/29/18 at 09:14:59

Fear? What's fear? Is looking at a policy and seeing how stupid and injurious it is fear? Or smart?
Do we, as a nation, have enough babies to maintain the population?
I don't think so, since the Cost of having a child got so high and we abort so many.
Does that mean we should allow just anyone who can get across the border to stay?
No.
Is it Fear to want border and immigration control or just good sense?
Do you have a door on your house?
Do you control it?
Are you living in fear
Or just using good sense?

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The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29690 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: 1965......... Reply #5 - 01/29/18 at 09:21:55 It would have to be a crazy person... Check that box...
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Reply #6 - 01/29/18 at 09:38:19

Let’s try it this way Jog, I “fear” you are standing to close to the tree to see the forest......

It’s teach a man to fish, not tell, and he will be able to enjoy the fruit of his labor....
At that point it’s up to him to pick up his pole, or to stand on the street corner with his homeless Vet sign.

Doors have many uses, keep things in, like kids and heat, keeps things out like critters and cold.
I haven’t seen one yet listing it’s ability to keep out thugs, like it does with R factor rating, but using fear, maybe they might try that....

I favor dialogue, all of it, even the ugly topics, I believe any censorship based on morality or political correctness is just a tactic deployed under a guise to circumvent real debate.
Two examples would be evolution and global warming.
Neither appreciate open challenge to its premise, opting to deflect and assign inferiority character to those challenging it.

Truth will always stand to its own accord, even if the popular belief runs against it.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: 1965......... Reply #7 - 01/29/18 at 09:45:26 Fear? go find the doomsday clock.
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Reply #8 - 01/29/18 at 09:57:34

verslagen1 wrote on 01/29/18 at 09:45:26:

Fear?
go find the doomsday clock.

Exactly.....

This is so me......
A true story.
I work building planes, remember.
Air crashes get our attention.
Every part of that build you actually do on that plane you buy, in other words, you certify it was built by the plans the FAA certificate granted.

If a plane crashes because of something I did wrong, it will be known from the reconstruction of it.

Anyway, the question is, “ If you are on a plane, it’s going to crash, you got a couple of minutes until it does, what would you do?”

I jokingly said throw myself in the prettiest woman....
Heck, that’s better than Tweeter Grin

Anyway, the real question is, what would you do differently if you knew the exact time and date of your death?

Isn’t that the thrust of the doomsday clock, fear?

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Reply #9 - 01/29/18 at 10:59:02

Nothing WRONG with fear. If you're not fearful in some situations, you're nuts. Avoiding the moment when Fear grabs your heart is what keeps us alive.
The Word is misused by accusers, people who pretend that decisions that are rationally explained are somehow immoral because they are actually a choice made out of Fear.
Why go to work?
Are you AFRAID of poverty?
Why control the border?
Are you AFRAID of people who don't look like you?
How about
It's Frikken STUPID to not control the border. If it's not, then you take the door off of your house.

It's not just about safety, it's about the economics. How many People can You feed? Cities are not more able to provide than you are. If you have twenty bucks to help people with, and every neighbor in the city has twenty bucks for aid, then you can calculate the number of people who CAN BE HELPED.
If you're not safer with the door than without, you probably don't need to wear a helmet, either.
Helmets don't protect from high enough impacts, and doors won't stop a focussed attack, but I think the history of crime shows doors are a deterrent.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: 1965......... Reply #10 - 01/29/18 at 11:13:26 I will agree context is a very important element in determining proper use of fear. You win that argument, but loose the one about my front door
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: 1965......... Reply #11 - 01/29/18 at 11:59:37 raydawg wrote on 01/29/18 at 11:13:26: I will agree context is a very important element in determining proper use of fear. You win that argument, but loose the one about my front door Is that because you have a moat?
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Reply #12 - 01/29/18 at 11:59:59

You just don't understand the analogy.
If it's unreasonable to believe that a Household can survive economically if the Property Owner can't control the number of mouths it must feed and bodies it must clothe and care for, then how can a nation? Everything is Finite. Just Wanting to be able to provide for others doesn't make it a reality.
Unless the jobs exist to allow people to provide for themselves, they are forced to become burdens on society. It doesn't matter where they are from or what they Would choose, just like in the inner cities where Opportunity is lacking, they are unable to provide for themselves.
It's not Hate, or Fear.
It's just economic Reality.

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Reply #13 - 01/29/18 at 12:15:46

verslagen1 wrote on 01/29/18 at 11:59:37:

raydawg wrote on 01/29/18 at 11:13:26:

I will agree context is a very important element in determining proper use of fear.
You win that argument, but loose the one about my front door Grin

Is that because you have a moat?

You better leave California soon, you is too clever for those heathens, they are sure to tar and feather you once they come to find a wizened person lives within their boarder

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Reply #14 - 01/29/18 at 12:16:12

raydawg wrote on 01/28/18 at 10:11:45:

And, we are on the eve of destruction....... still.

Have you ever noticed how many folks visit Suzuki Savage Forms......
And how many post/visit the tall table room?
Does that give you pause?

it gives me hope. they are smart to not post of visit here, they want to relate to other people through their SHARED hobby, not stab at each other because of differences of thought (I'm guilty of this, just did it matter of fact)

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