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Reply #15 - 02/12/18 at 08:53:50

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/11/18 at 19:10:13:

or do you just think everyone must just listen to you because you're so great? but weren't you just saying something about critical thinking...

Critical thinking is analysis. Critical thinking is not just accepting the propaganda, like
We are saving the Libyan people by bombing their fine way of life into oblivion.
Your attitude doesn't really make me want to offer you anything.
I've posted links to the sites I find things on.
Nobody has EVER brought anything else in from them.
I'll drop some again, maybe you can be less nasty to me.

Critical thinking
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.

dude, you spout off the most conservative of conservative propaganda, you seem to just accept it without questioning it.

and talk about attitude, you've often responded with absolute disdain when people question you or just have different beliefs, you think they are out to destroy America, libtards, have mental problems, must have a deficiency in the brain for not being able to see what's just so obviously clear to you (but then you don't try to actually explain it, just turn up your nose and walk away)

I will give you credit for the WHIO TV source, that actually seems reasonable, it presents both sides fairly.

but you are still accepting the conservative view as fact and indisputable. when they are just as likely lying as the democratic view could be. this is all based on hearsay and conjecture.

like we don't know that the FBI and DOJ didn't want to redact portions of the Nunes memo, the FBI and DOJ are savy enough to know they can't say anything and the President wanted everything out there to "vindicate" him.

and I'm not taking Schiff at his word either, they could have put some super sensitive information in it, but the FBI and DOJ didn't come out publicly and say anything against it, after they did publicly state objections to the Nunes memo.

so I don't really know what to believe, but I know when it's spin, both are spin, and you have to have a belief that there is corruption to believe one side over the other

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Reply #16 - 02/12/18 at 11:51:48

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Reply #15 - Today at 16:53:50 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote justin_o_guy2 wrote on Today at 03:10:13:
or do you just think everyone must just listen to you because you're so great? but weren't you just saying something about critical thinking...

Critical thinking is analysis. Critical thinking is not just accepting the propaganda, like
We are saving the Libyan people by bombing their fine way of life into oblivion.
Your attitude doesn't really make me want to offer you anything.
I've posted links to the sites I find things on.
Nobody has EVER brought anything else in from them.
I'll drop some again, maybe you can be less nasty to me.

Critical thinking
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.

dude, you spout off the most conservative of conservative propaganda, you seem to just accept it without questioning it.

and talk about attitude, you've often responded with absolute disdain when people question you or just have different beliefs, you think they are out to destroy America, libtards, have mental problems, must have a deficiency in the brain for not being able to see what's just so obviously clear to you (but then you don't try to actually explain it, just turn up your nose and walk away)

I will give you credit for the WHIO TV source, that actually seems reasonable, it presents both sides fairly.

but you are still accepting the conservative view as fact and indisputable. when they are just as likely lying as the democratic view could be. this is all based on hearsay and conjecture.

like we don't know that the FBI and DOJ didn't want to redact portions of the Nunes memo, the FBI and DOJ are savy enough to know they can't say anything and the President wanted everything out there to "vindicate" him.

The F.B.I. wanted to redact the names.
Names known publicly and known to be involved. Pointless.
Is there anything in the bub memo that Should be redacted?

Nope.

The democrats have tried to play a game.
It's working.
The one eyed hyperventilate and cry double standard. The authors of the memo are playing them like the tools they are.
The democrats loaded up their memo so it would
Either be redacted to pieces
Which would let the one eyed cry about injustice
Or
It would not be presented to the public.

Either way they can get the butthurt masses to cry foul.
It's so obvious.

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Reply #17 - 02/12/18 at 12:26:48

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/12/18 at 11:51:48:

Re: me memo
Reply #15 - Today at 16:53:50 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote justin_o_guy2 wrote on Today at 03:10:13:
or do you just think everyone must just listen to you because you're so great? but weren't you just saying something about critical thinking...

Critical thinking is analysis. Critical thinking is not just accepting the propaganda, like
We are saving the Libyan people by bombing their fine way of life into oblivion.
Your attitude doesn't really make me want to offer you anything.
I've posted links to the sites I find things on.
Nobody has EVER brought anything else in from them.
I'll drop some again, maybe you can be less nasty to me.

Critical thinking
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which generally include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis or evaluation of factual evidence.

dude, you spout off the most conservative of conservative propaganda, you seem to just accept it without questioning it.

and talk about attitude, you've often responded with absolute disdain when people question you or just have different beliefs, you think they are out to destroy America, libtards, have mental problems, must have a deficiency in the brain for not being able to see what's just so obviously clear to you (but then you don't try to actually explain it, just turn up your nose and walk away)

I will give you credit for the WHIO TV source, that actually seems reasonable, it presents both sides fairly.

but you are still accepting the conservative view as fact and indisputable. when they are just as likely lying as the democratic view could be. this is all based on hearsay and conjecture.

like we don't know that the FBI and DOJ didn't want to redact portions of the Nunes memo, the FBI and DOJ are savy enough to know they can't say anything and the President wanted everything out there to "vindicate" him.

The F.B.I. wanted to redact the names.
Names known publicly and known to be involved. Pointless.
Is there anything in the bub memo that Should be redacted?

Nope.

The democrats have tried to play a game.
It's working.
The one eyed hyperventilate and cry double standard. The authors of the memo are playing them like the tools they are.
The democrats loaded up their memo so it would
Either be redacted to pieces
Which would let the one eyed cry about injustice
Or
It would not be presented to the public.

Either way they can get the butthurt masses to cry foul.
It's so obvious.

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funny how that lines up EXACTLY with what every super right wing radio and Fox News host has been saying... you know, the PROPAGANDA

yet you buy that. not even a shred of doubt in your mind, and then you claim those of us that don't buy it aren't thinking critically and crying double standard.

and no, I don't know of anything in the Nunes memo that should have been redacted BUT I'm not in Inteligence. I don't know what other operations or operatives are out there that could have been hurt by something that wasn't redacted, something that seems simple to you and me might be a missing piece to a Russian spy or something that puts it all together and now has jeopardized the whole thing. That's why the FBI said it was RECKLESS to release it in the first place.

and Trump played into that game, he could have waited and released them at the same time. but now you've had a week and a half of the conservatives and republicans spinning this idea about a "loaded" memo and all that.. well, I don't have any proof of that, all I have proof of is a Nunes memo that doesn't really say anything and Trump denying the release of an opposition memo.

and now you are okay with unmasking sources... huh, sounds wrong to me.

yet here I am, still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt that he'll release the memo sometime.. . but I'm not holding my breath

oh, and ever think that it's hard to answer questions without providing more information than was out there before... so if the Dem memo does elaborate, well, they are probably just trying to actually answer the question fully instead of spinning more partisan innuendo like Nunes' memo

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: me memo Reply #18 - 02/12/18 at 15:04:43 I don't watch tv news. None of it. And what I said has been verified. It's not HARD to see what is happening so often. Did you read what I said about the Iraq war? Who else makes those points? Nobody.. I gather information and come to conclusions.
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Reply #19 - 02/12/18 at 15:12:10

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/12/18 at 15:04:43:

I don't watch tv news. None of it.
And what I said has been verified.
It's not HARD to see what is happening so often.
Did you read what I said about the Iraq war?
Who else makes those points?
Nobody.. I gather information and come to conclusions.

it's on radio and I'm sure it's on conservative websites as well, maybe even Infowars...

and what exact points on Iraq are you referring to?

I think that the conclusions are gathered, then the information you read is written, then you conclude the obvious things from that kind of circular reporting, it happens on the left a lot too. and all over the place, business plans, academic papers, etc...

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Reply #20 - 02/12/18 at 21:35:35

Nunes memo that should have been redacted BUT I'm not in Inteligence. I don't know wha

If you have read it, it's OBVIOUSLY not showing methods of gathering information. No names are made public that weren't known already.
The Reason for the histrionics was to keep it from being released.
It's exposing wrongdoing By the people who were screaming about releasing it.
Isn't it strange that the people who were so against it, warning us about the damage it would do,
Declared it a NOTHING Burger once we got to see it?

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Reply #21 - 02/13/18 at 04:21:08

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/12/18 at 21:35:35:

Nunes memo that should have been redacted BUT I'm not in Inteligence. I don't know wha

If you have read it, it's OBVIOUSLY not showing methods of gathering information. No names are made public that weren't known already.
The Reason for the histrionics was to keep it from being released.
It's exposing wrongdoing By the people who were screaming about releasing it.
Isn't it strange that the people who were so against it, warning us about the damage it would do,
Declared it a NOTHING Burger once we got to see it?

you don't know what you don't know. and then why weren't those same people screaming about the Dem memo, only Trump is saying it needs redacted, the FBI and DOJ have no official stance on it, not that I've heard anyway, until they were told to have a stance on it by Trump

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: me memo Reply #22 - 02/13/18 at 21:39:23 You know if Trump alone held it up there would be a storm . Apparently what I said was partially correct. Aaand there is more. http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/ex-prosecutor-reveals-real-reason-schiff-... One of my daily haunts. I think everyone should share their favorite sites.
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Reply #23 - 02/14/18 at 09:01:55

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/13/18 at 21:39:23:

You know if Trump alone held it up there would be a storm .

Apparently what I said was partially correct. Aaand there is more.

http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/ex-prosecutor-reveals-real-reason-schiff-...

One of my daily haunts.

I think everyone should share their favorite sites.

With the latest revealing of Susan Rice sending herself a memo about Obama, Comey, etc, meeting in Jan.
It sounds like Obama was told something was up, re: Trump.
That concerns needed to be investigated, etc.
It sounds to me like Obama was NOT part of this "plan", which can be debated, or just a aggressive investigation into Russia's meddling of the election, with a "possibility" Trump had some ties to it.
Obama seem adamant in following the rule of law, and not out to trap anyone.
That seems to fit the narrative pretty well, as this thing is starting to unfold.....
Its more about damage control, and removing egg on face, than what some see as sinister, deep state, etc.

Again, we got Hillary to thank for this, and she got her's.....REJECTION!

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: me memo Reply #24 - 02/14/18 at 10:21:02 She sent herself a memo to remind herself that Obama said We will do this by the book.. Does that mean this is the Exception? By the book is SUPPOSED to be standard operating procedure, isn't it? I don't get the connection between the email and how the obvious conclusion is Trump..
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Reply #25 - 02/14/18 at 10:40:23

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/14/18 at 10:21:02:

She sent herself a memo to remind herself that Obama said

We will do this by the book..

Does that mean this is the Exception?
By the book is SUPPOSED to be standard operating procedure, isn't it?

I don't get the connection between the email and how the obvious conclusion is
Trump..

The dossier.
I think its means Obama knew just how sketchy, or risky, this link to the "real" investigation, into how Russia meddled in the election, was.....

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Reply #26 - 02/14/18 at 17:09:57

and ever think that it's hard to answer questions without providing more information than was out there before... so if the Dem memo does elaborate, well, they are probably just trying to actually answer the question fully instead of spinning more partisan innuendo like Nunes' memo

If you can copy and paste the section of the memo that is
Innuendo
I'll try to respond.

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Reply #27 - 02/14/18 at 17:21:08

nd what exact points on Iraq are you referring to?

I really don't want to have to type this stuff again, but I will...

Saddam was pissed off at Kuwait for using directional drilling to tap reserves that belonged to Iraq.
He told, IIRC Susan rice that he was going to attack them. She told him
That's a local issue. That's between you and them, we don't care.

Who doesn't remember the constant cries of
The Iraqi soldiers are pulling BAYBEES out of incubators and dropping them in the floor?

That tearful Nurse was Actually the daughter of an ambassador. It was a Lie.

Oddly, Saddam had been talking about selling oil and accepting currencies Other than the dollar.

The U.S. Plan To Topple All 7 Countries On Trump’s …
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-u-s-plan-to-topple-all-7...
According to four-star General Wesley Clark, shortly after the attacks of 9/11, the Pentagon adopted a plan to topple the governments of seven countries; Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran

TheThe U.S. Plan To Topple All 7 Countries On Trump’s …
https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-u-s-plan-to-topple-all-7...
According to four-star General Wesley Clark, shortly after the attacks of 9/11, the Pentagon adopted a plan to topple the governments of seven countries; Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

Look at where we have been..

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Reply #29 - 02/14/18 at 17:44:01

No. I was reading the paper when I was a kid. I WATCHED as priests were
Punished
By the church. They had to go to another parish.
I was reading about admissions of illegal acts. Nobody was being arrested.
I guess no cops were reading the paper.
I knew if my dad got caught like that, he'd be behind bars. I've been connecting dots since I was ten. I look for information. I conclude, for myself.
I WAS a democrat, when I was seventeen. I stopped being able to agree with that when I was about eighteen.. 1973, I figure you'll know what happened then.
I figured I must be a bub, since I was not a democrat,, and I never felt like they stood for what I believed, so, after a few years, I decided to just stop being a part of any group and think through what I believe is right. Boy, that was lonely. Everybody seems to need to belong to a group,,
I had no idea what a libertarian was, but someone told me to check out Ron Paul. I did. He was saying things I agreed with.
You have no idea who I am.
I don't THINK what the things I post say because THEY say it.
I link to and reference things that I find that explain what I believe or support what I believe.
The exceptions to that are
The creature from Jekyll Island, which answered questions I didn't have access to resources to answer and factual exposes like
Economic Hit Man.
That helped me understand how things are done.

I sure hope you can remember this, because I've typed it about ten times and I don't want to again.

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