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FormerlyLostArtist

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #15 - 02/14/18 at 14:11:36

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/14/18 at 12:45:35:

Yeah, you Were here before.
And I couldn't have a conversation with you. I'D what has happened to soften your ways and open you up to ideas that aren't what the news sources are pumping out, but I can discuss stuff with you now.
Debate, tossing ideas back and forth, agree, disagree, try to show Why I believe what I believe, try to understand why you believe what you believe,
Maybe I have softened some, I'D, that's something you can tell me.
Whatever happened
I'm digging it.

same back to you

you wouldn't even entertain any idea that had been "tainted" by any mainstream news source or liberal ideal. you would almost violently reject that and the person offering them. you'd do the whataboutism and go off on your liberalism is evil tangents. and you wouldn't show why you believed anything, you still don't, you just expect us to trust you that you have all this great insight and knowledge about everything that we can't even comprehend. kept blasting that Cloward and Piven or Soros, or the Fed, or the Bilderburg group, or this or that.. you still don't stay on topic.

and you were often just down right insulting. sometime in some kinda crazy hick spelling speak that was terrible to even try to read. it was a freaking nightmare.

and you had MNSprings and Raydawg and Webstermark all backing you up and just pounding me with the conservative talking points over and over and over

you were also so consumed with your hatred of Hillary that any defense of her was an automatic darnation of that person in your eyes.

there was NO talking to you and since you had a whole posse around you, I needed out, I needed to find reasonable people before I turned into YOU.

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #16 - 02/14/18 at 14:16:49

raydawg wrote on 02/14/18 at 11:42:38:

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 02/14/18 at 10:42:27:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/13/18 at 17:17:06:

Let me expand on my answer.
My attitudes and opinions, how I examine things and come to conclusions hasn't changed.
What has changed is there is finally someone who doesn't necessarily agree, but will explain WHY not without being a snot. I've been waiting for someone to come along who can hear something they don't agree with and talk about it .
That's been missing for a long time.
So, I'm not so frustrated and I'm not Being someone who I don't want to talk to.
There's more to say, nuance, etc, but I hope that's enough.

I was here before and I left because you were at total arrogant @ss.

I hope you field this question without assigning it anything more than I'm just curious......

Why would you leave a place, based on the actions of another, if you like the place to begin with?

Sorta reminds me of "white flight" or the "anti" freedom extending to others beliefs and views at Berkeley, etc.

I think its fair for me to "assume" you really don't know the "real" Jog, only a perception of him based upon his "perceived" opposing views and beliefs.....
And that is enough for you to what, not engage?

I see this as part of a problem, as to why so many folks allow other to dictate a narrative, like the media, and to take advantage of it, for their OWN personal gain.

I believe understanding(s) begin with dialogue, and hopefully we find more in common, that bridges can be built, upon those understandings, and our focus shifts to being positive of others, instead of trying to destroy, others.
I feel we have historical evidence, to show the effect, and result, from that kinds of mentality, a lose, lose, scenario.

Hope you do not take offense to this post, I am merely asking you straight up, if you can enlighten me.....thanks.

I kinda answered this in the above post to JOG, if you want more, pm me

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Off to a good start Reply #17 - 02/14/18 at 14:19:32 Well, I hope we can put those frustrated feelings behind us and engage in conversations and see if we can bring the forum into a place where people actually debate. That said, if you haven't read what Cloward and Piven said, I wish you would. I think it's relevant.
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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #18 - 02/14/18 at 14:56:40

Thanks Lost, I hope you can continue to find value and hopefully fun, here.
Just one little observation on your post to Jog, that you referenced to me.

You said you needed to leave to find, be around those who have “reasonable” beliefs, etc....
Think about what you just said.
Upon reflection maybe you meant you were overwhelmed and you needed to be around those of like mind.
I believe you are honest enough from what/how, I have witnessed you and Jog dialogue lately, that you can see how such a declaration detracts from what you state you desire, yes?

We all do it, not trying to be a snot, just trying to keep it real, as that really is our best chance at coming to a real honest understanding...
Notice I didn’t say agreement Grin

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #19 - 02/14/18 at 15:06:39

raydawg wrote on 02/14/18 at 14:56:40:

Thanks Lost, I hope you can continue to find value and hopefully fun, here.
Just one little observation on your post to Jog, that you referenced to me.

You said you needed to leave to find, be around those who have “reasonable” beliefs, etc....
Think about what you just said.
Upon reflection maybe you meant you were overwhelmed and you needed to be around those of like mind.
I believe you are honest enough from what/how, I have witnessed you and Jog dialogue lately, that you can see how such a declaration detracts from what you state you desire, yes?

We all do it, not trying to be a snot, just trying to keep it real, as that really is our best chance at coming to a real honest understanding...
Notice I didn’t say agreement Grin

no, I meant reasonable. when you are "arguing/debating" someone and they spout off the craziest and most extreme conservative conspiracy theory in response and then yell about how evil liberalism is and then dismiss you completely as an evil SOB not worthy of their time.

yeah, reasonable is what I was looking for, not like minded, I actually went in search of Trump supporters and conservatives and tried listening to Ben Shapiro podcast and Glenn Beck and even some unknown podcasts and just couldnt' stomach any of them, they always came back to ridiculing anything with the slightest liberal bend to them.

I can handle being disagreed with, but when that person starts throwing insults and 2nd grade name calling back, and when I do it I get attacked as "see that's a liberal for ya!" kinda BS it' time to move on.

unlike some on this board I actually go seeking both sides of an issue, not an unbiased view cause those dont' exist, but if only one side reports something, then yeah, I don't trust it.

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #20 - 02/14/18 at 15:49:58

bi·as
[ˈbīəs]
NOUN
prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair:
"there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants

Being unwilling to examine and judge the value of a differing position is biased.
When a position has been examined and rationally discredited, not being willing to Reconsider it isn't bias. It's having weighed and measured something and decided it isn't something that one can agree with.
The word
Prejudice
Needs to be understood.
It's saying yes or no to what hasn't been logically thought through.
Just like someone voting for or against someone because of race is racist.

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #21 - 02/14/18 at 16:05:43

Lost: I can stick CNN into the exact same catergory that you insert FOX/conservatives, only opposite views, but same belief of they are right, the other POV, and demeanor, they find deplorable or unreasonable.

There, we went in a circle.
You believe and assign justification.
They believe and assign justification.
Have we solved anything?

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #22 - 02/14/18 at 16:20:33

raydawg wrote on 02/14/18 at 16:05:43:

Lost: I can stick CNN into the exact same catergory that you insert FOX/conservatives, only opposite views, but same belief of they are right, the other POV, and demeanor, they find deplorable or unreasonable.

There, we went in a circle.
You believe and assign justification.
They believe and assign justification.
Have we solved anything?

the difference is, I subject myself to both, not just the side I agree with more often. and I do find that CNN doesn't peddle in "fearmongering" as much, they still do it, but not as much. now I find them that way, doesn't mean you will, I don't fear the same things you do.

and both are very surface level coverage, so if needed, I'll do a deeper dive to find out more about the issue, again on both sides.

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Re: Off to a good start
Reply #23 - 02/14/18 at 21:35:41

I read all as well, but I like Real Clear Politics as it gives you balance without having to leave their site....
I pretty much read one, then the other, and figger it’s somewhere between the two, but not always.
What I find fascinating is folks do a 180, and act like it’s ok, if their guy is now peddling a different narrative.
Folks like that are beyond reasoning.

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