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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	If this can’t pass........ 02/14/18 at 22:57:02 Then I don’t believe anything can. It looks like a well placed attempt at what has been a problem for a long time. I hope it’s voted in, and Trump signs it. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics/senate-starts-immigration-debate/inde...
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Reply #1 - 02/15/18 at 11:41:58

I read the info, and agree, in the ‘one’ piece, about the DACA.

Yet, ‘Just’, doing that, ‘One’ piece, with Out dealing with,
the, ’no tracking of expired Visas’,
‘Security at the border’, (Which is not, JUST, Mexico),
end the, ‘LOTTO’ Visa program,

One piece looks fairly good.
What about the OTHER, three.
(Which are ALL Interconnected)

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: If this can’t pass........ Reply #2 - 02/15/18 at 12:38:48 We need to start somewhere, this mindset of all my way, or nothing is working for ANYONE.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: If this can’t pass........ Reply #3 - 02/15/18 at 12:40:47 raydawg wrote on 02/15/18 at 12:38:48: We need to start somewhere, this mindset of all my way, or nothing is working for ANYONE. Wow... one of the smartest things you tried to say in a long time ray. (I think you meant "NO ONE", correct?)
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: If this can’t pass........ Reply #4 - 02/15/18 at 12:44:26 Yes, thanks
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: If this can’t pass........ Reply #5 - 02/15/18 at 12:44:44 Reagan trusted and got screwed. He Gave with the Promise of Getting. Trump is offering what they want, And Demanding that the border be secured in the same bill. If that's not good enough, what is? Tell me he's demanding money for border security, please. He better not cave on that.
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Reply #6 - 02/15/18 at 13:40:34

It didn’t muster the vote.....

Jog, that was then, re: Reagan.
Technology has advanced possibilities so much beyond the ability of a physical wall, etc.

If you have 100 issues, and can only agree upon one issue to repair, is 99 problems/issues, better than 100?

And consider as well, maybe fixing one, might then reveal a fix, to problem number 98.....

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Reply #7 - 02/15/18 at 14:16:13

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/15/18 at 12:44:44:

Reagan trusted and got screwed.
He Gave with the Promise of Getting.

Trump is offering what they want,
And Demanding that the border be secured in the same bill.

If that's not good enough, what is?

Tell me he's demanding money for border security, please.
He better not cave on that.

yeah, he wants the money, NOW

the way I see it, he wants "eventual" citizenship for the "dreamers"

so eventual citizenship = eventual wall

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: If this can’t pass........ Reply #8 - 02/15/18 at 19:21:20 Well gee then..... Maybe Trump should clear up his no wall, wall.....
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Reply #9 - 02/16/18 at 09:03:28

raydawg wrote on 02/15/18 at 13:40:34:

It didn’t muster the vote.....

Jog, that was then, re: Reagan.
Technology has advanced possibilities so much beyond the ability of a physical wall, etc.

If you have 100 issues, and can only agree upon one issue to repair, is 99 problems/issues, better than 100?

And consider as well, maybe fixing one, might then reveal a fix, to problem number 98.....

remember how conservatives reacted to that approach with the Iran deal?

I know, apples and oranges but kind of the same concept. can't do one thing because of 1000 other things we want too

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Re: If this can’t pass........
Reply #10 - 02/16/18 at 12:57:20

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 02/16/18 at 09:03:28:

raydawg wrote on 02/15/18 at 13:40:34:

It didn’t muster the vote.....

Jog, that was then, re: Reagan.
Technology has advanced possibilities so much beyond the ability of a physical wall, etc.

If you have 100 issues, and can only agree upon one issue to repair, is 99 problems/issues, better than 100?

And consider as well, maybe fixing one, might then reveal a fix, to problem number 98.....

remember how conservatives reacted to that approach with the Iran deal?

I know, apples and oranges but kind of the same concept. can't do one thing because of 1000 other things we want too

I have always asserted Obama with "credit" of trying to do SOMETHING DIFFERENT with the M.E.

I believe he humbled himself, when he reached out to those who have a different core belief, regarding life, than what we believe in our constitution......
In other words, he offered an olive branch, they rejected it.

All the other attempts were from a strength, and power base, backed resolution, and that has never sustained anything.

I fault him when he didn't accept the fact that his overtures were rejected, and moved on to some other ideas.
To me, I believe he just "doubled-downed" on his idea, and that stubbornness of character is the same thing I dislike about Trump....

How many folks will have to tell him we do NOT like your tweeting, etc, before he listens?

The money to Iran, same thing, its why it was done so secretly.
We now know, it didn't work, again.

Lets see if we can learn from it, not keep beating a dead horse, however.
I only mention this because you brought it up.

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